"The Futurity Trophy will be the deciding race"

32 runners so far 18 from O'Brien, Aiden a certainty by the looks of it.

I hope he gets stufffed he should never have ran Kalpana for a start after that gruelling race in The Arc but no his ambition was more important than the King George Winner.

If I've understood it correctly, the championship runs to 31 Dec, so can't Balding just farm the AW to win ?

Tbf there was one he could have run yesterday but didn't - Item - who's officially rated higher than Constitution River, so in theory had he run in the Champion Stakes, could have deprived O'Brien of the £39K for 5th place, but Balding opted to mind the colt for next season.

Kalpana's Won that race  for the last 2 years.Running her in the Arc
last season didn't stop her.

He didn't run Blue Bolt either, so evidently not a run them at any cost policy.

Cost me the placepot so yes i am bitter.

"It's all a bit of fun and we were delighted to be here."

Said Aidan O'Brien. If he starts sending over his 75-rated lesser lights to run at Wolverhampton, then we'll know he's taking it rather more seriously than he's letting on

god sake, does anyone care about jockeys/ trainers championship other than ed and his itv racing

I agree with elisjohn. I'd add the Prestbury Cup to the list of things that fascinate the racing media but not racing fans.

elisjohn, the thread is primarily about the wording of Balding's quote about the Futurity.

He could have said:

Aidan has an outstanding record in the Futurity Stakes and if he dominates the race again then he's pretty much got another title in the bag.

But from the entire quote it would appear Balding still thinks he can win the trainers' title, so I asked does this mean Balding thinks he's got a 2YO for next Saturday that can seriously challenge the Ballydoyle battalion? Hth.

Right now, Andrew Balding has two entries in the Futurity. Aidan O'Brien has 16 including the antepost favourite. 5/4 Noble Exhibit; 8/1 bar.

The Balding pair are Royal Quest 20/1 and Gran Dia 33/1.

It may be that Balding was whistling to keep his spirits up, or perhaps just saying the championship remains open unless Aidan lands the Futurity.

O'Brien is 4\7 for the championship.

If the Furutity is the deciding race (as it almost certainly must be) taking the 4/7 and then backing the two Balding horse dutched together for the race itself at 11/1 to at least cover looks like a sound bet?

I cannot see Balidng flooding the AW to try to win it because he would need a miracle doing that if O'Brien does take the Futurity.

Of course, neither might win the Futurity then the last two months of the year would be interesting!

Acey

Trainers get criticised for not running them enough it did her no harm last year perhaps she is simply past her best ,anyway she has now seen the last of her racing days and hopefully has a long retirement

Almost certainly Kalpana's last race so it should not have done her any harm. Nobody seems to mention that Minnie Hawk also ran in the Arc. at the moment Andrew is £89k behind Aiden who is probably relying on one race for the rest of the years while Andrew could run an average of 4 a day for the next 10 weeks. 280 runners at a £1000 in prize money each on average would still put Kingsclere in front. If it did get close though I imagine Aiden will be running in nearly every maiden and novice race in GB to stay ahead.

I think the 280 runners at an average of £1k a runner is a bit optimistic.

It is extremely unlikely that Balding would be running 4 a day on the AW for the last 6 weeks of the year just for the kudos of winning a trainer's championship. His operation is a bit more long-term than that.

No, Saturday could very well decide it unless both fail to pick up prize money, which is more likely for Balding that O'Brien.

Personally, I think 4\7 looks a bit generous for O'Brien. Indeed if he does run a handful in the race, the dutched odds for them winning it would be much shorter than 4\7.

But Balding could finish second even if O'Brien wins the Futurity. The difference would still be £96000 which is a big gap. However, there are 2 strong contenders from other yards in Al Hudaiba and Burning Up who are on a similar RPR to the favourite Noble Exhibit so it is not a foregone conclusion. Aiden ran a lot of nice horses in Ireland yesterday and won 6 races so what ever ailed his horses a month ago seems to be past. There are still 38 flat meetings until Nov 7 when the turf season ends so plenty of prize money to be won yet.

Doncaster Lincoln meeting to Doncaster November Handicap meeting number of winners and stop all this rubbish….

Same in  Ireland start and finish…..

Jockey title included……

Refresh the game.

Get champions day back to Newmarket…..

Aceform,the man that continues to live in the past

...It's a fair argument Irons, I reckon...........number of winners, versus amount of prize money.

....Prize money means only ever a select few can ever win.... lower league trainer/owners combination banging in a 50% strike rate, have no chance.

Fair ?....I don't know....maybe training Blue bloodied horses to win Group races is tougher than tramping round Southwell and Wolves for the scraps.

I'm not arguing either way...

Past was best tbh…..original betting ring and a quiet relaxing day…..

Now it’s unbearable tbh….

Howling and screaming,individual from X roaring like a h@rny bull shouting lift him…..ffs he’s going to get caught……lift him !

Incredible scenes…

We are not in the past and never can be.
You are the utter clown that thinks BF was a bad idea.
Get over it and stop bleating,loser.

Keep taking the tablets……

£9.95 for a sausage roll at one particular track (grade 10)……yep,look after the fodder show respect…..keep paying fodder,aye ! In yer dreams….stick it where the monkey stuck it’s nuts…..

Doubt the trainers title will be decided on the price of a sausage roll.

Quixall could open a bakery with the amount of sausage rolls he is down in October!! lol

A minor "Blip" from the bet editor,Glen.

If Quixall had been Emperor of Japan in 1945 , Hiroshima would have been a blip!!

AOB must be 1.01 to lift the thing tbh….

If that is your opinion why haven't you taken the 4/7?

Zzzzzzzzz

Why would I buy money when i can dig out 5 and above silly boy….

Quixall , would you refuse to buy £10 notes for £1? Same principle if you think a bet at 1.01 is being offered at 4/7 , if AOB wins the futurity it will be no offers and any price you like for Balding , they will probably pay out after the race.

Form

Champions day is a huge success there’s no better site in racing than top class horse swinging into the straight at Ascot I’ve no problem with the rowley mile quite enjoy racing there but I’ve no doubt the champion stakes is ran n the right racecourse.

Aceform suffers from a massive overdose of nostalgia as well as being unable to understand what "value" actually is,jimnast.
A 4/7 Backer is simply having a bet at a price that appears very generous to him.
Not too difficult to see why he loses on here every year

I don’t need a lecture regarding price Cagliari tbh…..i just don’t believe in buying money at those prices tbh…..

I prefer the punters price…..

Jimnast fair comment regarding Ascot which is second to York imv……i certainly enjoy champions day with a nice bottle of Chardonnay….

Looked at my bank statement today and saw a debit to Britbet. Never heard of them I thought. It is so long since I went racing that I had never used a debit card with the Tote before York last Saturday so I thought I had been scammed

formoftheace • October 19, 2026 1:49 PM BST
I don’t need a lecture regarding price Cagliari tbh…..i just don’t believe in buying money at those prices tbh…..
You clearly do,you hapless loser

Iron….you are seriously in need of help….almost beyond repair tbh..

York is fine on TV but on course I found it really poor. Dead flat so you need to get high in the stands to see anything apart from the big screen which in their case is a small screen with the sun shining on it. Compare Cheltenham or Wincanton where you can see as much from the members lawn as you can from the owners and trainers stand.

I'm not keen on short priced bets either. You are banking on the Futurity favrunning better than Gstaad and Constitution River.

I only ‘ buy ‘ money on football playing both teams to score….

I am not advocating the bet,sageform.
I am merely stating that if you actually think a 4/7 should be 1.01 there is tremendous value.
Unfortunately,Aceform constantly posts utter shyte without thinking.

Big players on the football like iron heads hero will make money sageform….but punting on horse racing has to be the punters price tbh..

Bloom is ultra shrewd and made billions whereas Aceform is as thick as a Docker's Sandwich and bets in £12 increments.
Merely a statement of fact

Bloom probably inherited or given a right few quid….

But to think he made one thousand million from punting on football ……Zzzzzzzzz

formoftheace • October 19, 2026 2:28 PM BST
Bloom probably inherited or given a right few quid….

The usual utter shyte.
He didn't inherit

You seem to get into a hell of a state at the very mention tbh…..item ?

I am simply astounded at your utter stupidity,you potless Sweaty

Superb,boiling as per.

Form
Plenty prefer York over Ascot which is fair enough it’s there opinions personally I have have a few in front of York but none in front of Ascot,there are 2 in your country I prefer over York.

Balding down to just the one for the Futurity, Gran Dia, a half-brother to the Group 2 winner but ultimately disappointing Composing, while O'Brien has 'just' the eleven contenders left in.

hope bloom was on any other score yeterday

Gran Dia's form hasn't been advertised too well so far.

I am pessimistic now. If Aiden runs 6, the only way anyone else can win is to be first out of the gate and stay there. Otherwise they will be interfered with all the way. And no doubt 2 of them will set off at 5 furlong pace to stop anyone else from leading. Game over. So sad if Aiden has more runners than all of the GB trainers combined. Just £3000 back for Balding today-beaten about 2 inches.

Bloom isn't as shrewd as all of the other analysts he had working for him, on the football: some full time, some part time, who already worked for other companies.

His 'employees' could opt in for a share, too.

Most of the big money was won in the Asian markets.

One thousand million,just imagine wow !

Allegedly….