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...are people so angry these days?
The DC will have to live with this inane action.That will be his major punishment.
Son of 102-year-old says father died after being 'pushed off stage'
A 102-year-old great-grandfather with dementia died days after he was allegedly pushed off stage in his local pub after making a noise complaint.
Philip Ormerod, from Cwmbran, Torfaen, was taken to hospital in a critical condition following the incident at the Crow's Nest pub in the town on 1 August.
A 56-year-old man from Llanelli, Carmarthenshire, was arrested on suspicion of inflicting grievous bodily harm, and remains under investigation.
Ormerod's son, Robert Ormerod, said he wanted justice for his dad, who he described as a "pub character", who young people would buy beer for when he visited the bar.
Philip is understood to have been visiting the pub for a drink when he went onto a stage in the venue to complain about the volume of the music.
Robert said: "He just asked them to turn the music down."
He said his father turned around to come back down off the stage when he was pushed, and that resulted in a broken hip.
"[That's] the most upsetting part. He wasn't going to live forever but it's not a nice way, obviously in pain," he said.
"We want to see justice, of course.
"They must have known he was an old man. It makes you wonder what the world is coming to.
"It has obviously made it difficult. It would've been nice if he'd gone quietly in his sleep.
"He was in hospital, suffering, for a week-and-a-half. It's not nice.
"I feel sad - even though he could be difficult because of his age and dementia, still, you get used to him being around," he said.
Robert, a retired civil engineer, said his father used to visit the Crow's Nest.
"What happened is not nice. The pub has changed a lot over the years. It has become a youngsters' pub," he said.
Robert said he grew up in the home in the the Llanyrafon neighbourhood where his father had lived since 1960.
He said his dad had a career as a design draughtsman and had lived alone since his wife died 40 years ago.
"Me and my brother would visit our father regularly, and clean the house and buy him food.
"His eyesight had deteriorated and he had been diagnosed with dementia two or three years ago."
Robert said: "He's well-known around here, although a lot of his generation are gone," he added.
He said his father would visit the pub two or three times a week, where he would drink beers, and described how he became a familiar face to some locals.
"I suppose he became a pub character," he added.
Emergency services were called to the pub at about 22:25 BST following a report of an assault.
Det Ch Insp Shelley Comley, senior investigating officer for Gwent Police, said: "We understand the public interest in this incident but want to remind people that, not only is this an active criminal investigation, but there is a family at the heart of it processing the loss of a loved one."
She urged people to "consider the impact that inaccurate or speculative comments" including "online commentary" could have.
The force is urging anyone who was at the pub between 22:00 and 23:00 on the night of the incident to contact them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyl2zwp158o
The DC will have to live with this inane action.That will be his major punishment.
Son of 102-year-old says father died after being 'pushed off stage'
A 102-year-old great-grandfather with dementia died days after he was allegedly pushed off stage in his local pub after making a noise complaint.
Philip Ormerod, from Cwmbran, Torfaen, was taken to hospital in a critical condition following the incident at the Crow's Nest pub in the town on 1 August.
A 56-year-old man from Llanelli, Carmarthenshire, was arrested on suspicion of inflicting grievous bodily harm, and remains under investigation.
Ormerod's son, Robert Ormerod, said he wanted justice for his dad, who he described as a "pub character", who young people would buy beer for when he visited the bar.
Philip is understood to have been visiting the pub for a drink when he went onto a stage in the venue to complain about the volume of the music.
Robert said: "He just asked them to turn the music down."
He said his father turned around to come back down off the stage when he was pushed, and that resulted in a broken hip.
"[That's] the most upsetting part. He wasn't going to live forever but it's not a nice way, obviously in pain," he said.
"We want to see justice, of course.
"They must have known he was an old man. It makes you wonder what the world is coming to.
"It has obviously made it difficult. It would've been nice if he'd gone quietly in his sleep.
"He was in hospital, suffering, for a week-and-a-half. It's not nice.
"I feel sad - even though he could be difficult because of his age and dementia, still, you get used to him being around," he said.
Robert, a retired civil engineer, said his father used to visit the Crow's Nest.
"What happened is not nice. The pub has changed a lot over the years. It has become a youngsters' pub," he said.
Robert said he grew up in the home in the the Llanyrafon neighbourhood where his father had lived since 1960.
He said his dad had a career as a design draughtsman and had lived alone since his wife died 40 years ago.
"Me and my brother would visit our father regularly, and clean the house and buy him food.
"His eyesight had deteriorated and he had been diagnosed with dementia two or three years ago."
Robert said: "He's well-known around here, although a lot of his generation are gone," he added.
He said his father would visit the pub two or three times a week, where he would drink beers, and described how he became a familiar face to some locals.
"I suppose he became a pub character," he added.
Emergency services were called to the pub at about 22:25 BST following a report of an assault.
Det Ch Insp Shelley Comley, senior investigating officer for Gwent Police, said: "We understand the public interest in this incident but want to remind people that, not only is this an active criminal investigation, but there is a family at the heart of it processing the loss of a loved one."
She urged people to "consider the impact that inaccurate or speculative comments" including "online commentary" could have.
The force is urging anyone who was at the pub between 22:00 and 23:00 on the night of the incident to contact them.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyl2zwp158o
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Assuming the old guy wasnt on his own ?? What were they doing letting him up on a stage to complain about music ?? Shocking behaviour either way. My Mother has Dementia and funnily enough a lot of sufferers like music and respond well to it.
Leif, terrible story with tragic consequences
It's all down to young people in general,not all, having little or no respect for older people
When I was a youngster going into pubs, the older drinkers would pull you up on any noisy or otherwise bad behaviour, and you accepted it, or most did anyway
In the same way that you don't often see young people giving up their seat on the bus for an elderly passenger, people trying to jump the queue at the bar
Just different morals
It's all down to young people in general,not all, having little or no respect for older people
When I was a youngster going into pubs, the older drinkers would pull you up on any noisy or otherwise bad behaviour, and you accepted it, or most did anyway
In the same way that you don't often see young people giving up their seat on the bus for an elderly passenger, people trying to jump the queue at the bar
Just different morals
Exactly, times have changed, for the worse. It's a dog eat dog cess pit this country.
The most significant element that has changed; the lack of consequences for wrongdoing. Starting at the home and at school. Most of us would have got a bollocking if our parents found out we were playing up at school. Or worse. As far as I understand it, the standard parent reaction now is to blame the teacher/school, they'll get very upset with any sanctions handed out at little Jonny and little Lottie. This is very observable now with queue jumping, fare dodging, petty theft. Basically any juvenile can't be touched, however badly they behave, and they all know it.
The wet politicians are busy trying to make the already extremely weak consequences even less than they currently are. Along with a dysfunctional state that permits bail jumping and non attendance.
The wet politicians are busy trying to make the already extremely weak consequences even less than they currently are. Along with a dysfunctional state that permits bail jumping and non attendance.
You are 100% correct no discipline at home and school from the beginning and that's where it sadly all should start...
My high school if you ran down the corridor you got hauled into the office hold your hand out one on top of the other and a leather strap came down on the tip of your fingers bloody killed...
I was seeing a teacher of 30 years from Manchester for a while 30 yrs she'd been teaching English and she said there was no support whatsoever from the parents if little tommy or Sarah were put in detention ...
The complete opposite the parents would kick off and demand there child was taken off detention so what was the point...
Jesus if I got detention I would also get grounded at home for a week or a fortnight...
And if I was out and about and a copper was walking towards you I would s##t myself now the little rats would be lobbing stones at them...
I'm 62 and have 3 kids in there 20's all brought up with respect and manners but I dread to think what this country will be like in 40 years when they are my age....
My high school if you ran down the corridor you got hauled into the office hold your hand out one on top of the other and a leather strap came down on the tip of your fingers bloody killed...
I was seeing a teacher of 30 years from Manchester for a while 30 yrs she'd been teaching English and she said there was no support whatsoever from the parents if little tommy or Sarah were put in detention ...
The complete opposite the parents would kick off and demand there child was taken off detention so what was the point...
Jesus if I got detention I would also get grounded at home for a week or a fortnight...
And if I was out and about and a copper was walking towards you I would s##t myself now the little rats would be lobbing stones at them...
I'm 62 and have 3 kids in there 20's all brought up with respect and manners but I dread to think what this country will be like in 40 years when they are my age....
The chap arrested is 56 years old according to OP so not in the first flush of youth.
Although Cider does have a point about worsening behaviour, one bright note is that although queuing and letting passengers off first have largely gone out the window for many, offering seats to elders is still common in my experience (embarrassingly so!)
Although Cider does have a point about worsening behaviour, one bright note is that although queuing and letting passengers off first have largely gone out the window for many, offering seats to elders is still common in my experience (embarrassingly so!)
Cant but agree with all , but 102 , getng to pub at 10pm - drinking beer , getting onto a stage , living alone ....Not Bad !
as a pensioner myself, I was disappointed to see recent headlines. One called for extending the pension age to 70 while the other called for the maximum age to hold a driving license to be 70!. So once you reach retirement age you also lose the ability to drive a car. By all means have proper checks on eyesight and health issues on people with a driving license but that should apply to everyone, not just a cut off at 70. While most people do respect senior citizens, a growing number don't.
It's all down to young people in general,not all, having little or no respect for older people
What a shame the bloke who punched him was 56.
Of course, a 56yo punching a 102 yo it isn't the fault of the generation that has run things for the last 50 years and thus set the limits of whats acceptable. Obv all your kids have turned out perfect and it must be someone else's - naivety in the extreme!
Where do they learn 'respect' from? In industrialised UK up until baby boomers the old always had respect - first for just being old. and not dying, then for the wars they fought and what they gave up for their country - then we get to you lot. You've given up nowt, sucked the country/world dry yet think you should get respect just for being old - sorry but your generation not only has done nothing to earn that respect but is actively making it worse for future generations. It is also clearly worse for older people like the 102yo!
You have had so much ££££££ spent on you and it still isn't enough, you just want more more more and just don't care about future generations. Most of you prob don't even realise your state pension is being paid by the working generation, your tax paid for old people when you worked. At some point when they see many working people basically starve and you lot still going on 3 holidays year, something will crack.
You should be ashamed of yourselves for the mess you are leaving but more so for not taking responsibility for it when history has a very easy task laying the blame for the mess you've left behind. Thanks god we have this sort of horrible place to record what you lot really think!
I mean when your hero of heroes is the flakiest snowflake alive and doesn't turn up to his own vote count due to being scared of a few balloons it really does say it all!
What a shame the bloke who punched him was 56.
Of course, a 56yo punching a 102 yo it isn't the fault of the generation that has run things for the last 50 years and thus set the limits of whats acceptable. Obv all your kids have turned out perfect and it must be someone else's - naivety in the extreme!
Where do they learn 'respect' from? In industrialised UK up until baby boomers the old always had respect - first for just being old. and not dying, then for the wars they fought and what they gave up for their country - then we get to you lot. You've given up nowt, sucked the country/world dry yet think you should get respect just for being old - sorry but your generation not only has done nothing to earn that respect but is actively making it worse for future generations. It is also clearly worse for older people like the 102yo!
You have had so much ££££££ spent on you and it still isn't enough, you just want more more more and just don't care about future generations. Most of you prob don't even realise your state pension is being paid by the working generation, your tax paid for old people when you worked. At some point when they see many working people basically starve and you lot still going on 3 holidays year, something will crack.
You should be ashamed of yourselves for the mess you are leaving but more so for not taking responsibility for it when history has a very easy task laying the blame for the mess you've left behind. Thanks god we have this sort of horrible place to record what you lot really think!
I mean when your hero of heroes is the flakiest snowflake alive and doesn't turn up to his own vote count due to being scared of a few balloons it really does say it all!
Blimey someone got out the wrong side of the bed today.
spyker somehow flips it into a Farage rant, lol.
The chat had evolved to discussing the degradation of society in general. The most significant element is lack of consequences for wrongdoing. The culprit in this alleged event may well have a rap sheet as long as your arm. His arm could easily be covered in small punctures.
Maybe it was a metaphorical pu$$y cat, who bizarrely flipped for the first time in his life. Maybe that is rather unlikely.
The chat had evolved to discussing the degradation of society in general. The most significant element is lack of consequences for wrongdoing. The culprit in this alleged event may well have a rap sheet as long as your arm. His arm could easily be covered in small punctures.
Maybe it was a metaphorical pu$$y cat, who bizarrely flipped for the first time in his life. Maybe that is rather unlikely.
Cider 14 Aug 26 00:44
The most significant element that has changed; the lack of consequences for wrongdoing. Starting at the home and at school.
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My granddaughter is 3, if I tell her she's done, or is doing, something she shouldn't, she bursts into tears
and tells me to 'be kind, granddad'. Shes the same at home, I think nursery is to blame, only goes two days a week.
The most significant element that has changed; the lack of consequences for wrongdoing. Starting at the home and at school.
.....................................
My granddaughter is 3, if I tell her she's done, or is doing, something she shouldn't, she bursts into tears
and tells me to 'be kind, granddad'. Shes the same at home, I think nursery is to blame, only goes two days a week.
Spot on spyker.
You only need to read the complainers on here to see how a lot still believe the country owes them a comfortable living .
My experience of young people is that in general they are respectful if I treat them with respect .
You only need to read the complainers on here to see how a lot still believe the country owes them a comfortable living .
My experience of young people is that in general they are respectful if I treat them with respect .
at 56 he went to school around 1980, and had the sort of schooling/ parents, cider and co think toda,sy kids need
He shouldn't be going to a pub with loud music if he doesn't like it. But the bottom line is this guy should have been taken by his son or carers anywhere
Aug 14, 2026 -- 1:21PM, saddo wrote:
Cider 14 Aug 26 00:44
he likely wouldn't have been pushed off if he had his mind or physical strength saddo. I wouldn't be in the same room as rock bands even though I like some of the music and I'm in my 60's.
There are no mitigating factors to excuse assaulting a 102 year old, get a grip.
Aug 14, 2026 -- 1:47PM, 1st time poster wrote:
at 56 he went to school around 1980, and had the sort of schooling/ parents,
ffs. At least I copied that won 
I realise you are hard of hearing at times. The lack of consequences for wrongdoing APPLIES TO PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE. Unless you write hurty words on social media.
The point about younger people applies, as to my analysis, very few people under 35 have experienced any discipline whatsoever. And they also seem to get everything handed to them (money, consoles, phones et al) on a plate. Loads of them appear to make it through to age 22 without having to do anything they didn't fancy. It's not surprising is it, that by that point they don't fancy working too much.
I realise you are hard of hearing at times. The lack of consequences for wrongdoing APPLIES TO PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE. Unless you write hurty words on social media.
The point about younger people applies, as to my analysis, very few people under 35 have experienced any discipline whatsoever. And they also seem to get everything handed to them (money, consoles, phones et al) on a plate. Loads of them appear to make it through to age 22 without having to do anything they didn't fancy. It's not surprising is it, that by that point they don't fancy working too much.
I think I saw 260,000 people off to uni this year. So that will be around 250,000 who've not had to work for anything until age 22. It's just not conducive to producing good people who realise that you have to work hard to get what you want.
Does working for other people pay enough these days ? You likely can't buy a house.
The most palpable example that we'll all now is that Labour MP who viciously assaulted a constituent, all caught on camera, lied off his face to try and get away with it. Then ultimately let off with a wrap on the knuckles. And he was a 'boomer'. I'm sorry, rabidly assaulting someone like that, then trying to blame the victim should end you in jail for a term that's counted in years.
If I was out of order at school I got caned and/or 3 hours Saturday morning detention from 09.00 - 12.00.
I only got both once, that was enough. I merely climbed out of a window instead of going the long way all through the cloisters. Which was a bit harsh I thought but I didn't do it again.
I only got both once, that was enough. I merely climbed out of a window instead of going the long way all through the cloisters. Which was a bit harsh I thought but I didn't do it again.
If they got a job at 18 howard, and stayed at home, they'd have a deposit by the time their peers were leaving the three year party at uni. It takes some sacrifice, but that's the overarching point, people aren't raised with those values any more. They nearly all want it handed to them.
howard
Does working for other people pay enough these days ? You likely can't buy a house.
Working for "the man" is the way to go.
You save enough for a deposit, then you buy a cheap house miles from work.
You commute to work, work hard, pay the mortgage, and eventually you own the house.
Does working for other people pay enough these days ? You likely can't buy a house.
Working for "the man" is the way to go.
You save enough for a deposit, then you buy a cheap house miles from work.
You commute to work, work hard, pay the mortgage, and eventually you own the house.
about 10 yr ago ome of the last apprentices i worked with,came in to our fabrication shop after doing 2 yr in a classroom,o baically 3rd yr of their apprenticeship,now i have a oft for young kid/apprentices so allowed them a decent amount of rope before giving up,
1st they all limped about through reult of a new verion of KILLER where the loer got kicked in the shin by the winner ,whilst all wearing steel cap boots
2nd, one got badly burned for picking up a piece of metal without wearing gauntlets,because and i quote him,HE WANTED TO EE HOW HOT IT REALLY WAS WITHOUT GAUNTLETS ON
and 3rd,we had double ended mega size oxy packs outside and sent lad out to turn it on ,we heard a loud whoosh from inside,he came back in and aid he couldnt stop the noise,on inspection he,d turned on the end of the oxy pack ,which didnt have an oxy gauge attached
some tradesmen refused to have them working with them ,because they were a danger to themslves and anyone working near them
1st they all limped about through reult of a new verion of KILLER where the loer got kicked in the shin by the winner ,whilst all wearing steel cap boots
2nd, one got badly burned for picking up a piece of metal without wearing gauntlets,because and i quote him,HE WANTED TO EE HOW HOT IT REALLY WAS WITHOUT GAUNTLETS ON
and 3rd,we had double ended mega size oxy packs outside and sent lad out to turn it on ,we heard a loud whoosh from inside,he came back in and aid he couldnt stop the noise,on inspection he,d turned on the end of the oxy pack ,which didnt have an oxy gauge attached
some tradesmen refused to have them working with them ,because they were a danger to themslves and anyone working near them
Anyone living in a bubble like halfset should spend a few minutes flicking around the dwp section of reddit. This is the latest post, but you could pick virtually any of them.
My mum uses the children's DLA on utter carp ( takeaways etc ) and none of it specifically for the kids! What can I do?
Disability Living Allowance (DLA)
Throughout the 6 week holiday so far, the kids have been nowhere! They have one up coming trip to the farm and that's it. There's 3 of them, cooped up in a flat with 'autism,adhd,odd' on ipads. The oldest of the 3 won't be going to a school in september and yet my mother won't use his DLA to fund private tutoring lessons, their bedrooms desperately need redecorating and their clothes are hand me downs, or cheap and tatty.
Is there ANYTHING i can do?? It saddens me to see the kids having such a miserable childhood when they could be doing so much with the amount of DLA they get between the three of them.
** my mum doesn't work, receives UC, HB, and Carers Allowance, she doesn't need to hoard their money and spend it on multiple takeaways a week, and vinyl to fund her 'business' in which she puts more money in then she ever receives back!
My mum uses the children's DLA on utter carp ( takeaways etc ) and none of it specifically for the kids! What can I do?
Disability Living Allowance (DLA)
Throughout the 6 week holiday so far, the kids have been nowhere! They have one up coming trip to the farm and that's it. There's 3 of them, cooped up in a flat with 'autism,adhd,odd' on ipads. The oldest of the 3 won't be going to a school in september and yet my mother won't use his DLA to fund private tutoring lessons, their bedrooms desperately need redecorating and their clothes are hand me downs, or cheap and tatty.
Is there ANYTHING i can do?? It saddens me to see the kids having such a miserable childhood when they could be doing so much with the amount of DLA they get between the three of them.
** my mum doesn't work, receives UC, HB, and Carers Allowance, she doesn't need to hoard their money and spend it on multiple takeaways a week, and vinyl to fund her 'business' in which she puts more money in then she ever receives back!
A good won :)
Diagnosed with sleep apnea, should Motability take the car back if i'm not a named driver?
So i've been diagnosed with sleep apnea which means I can't drive my daughter's motability car however I am not the named driver, my sister is. I contacted motability and they said as i'm not the named driver, I can't give the car back early even though I can't drive the car anymore so it is wasting my daughters pip money.
For context; My sister ( doesn't live with me, lives 20 minutes away ) is only the named driver as I am a learner. I'm 40, My sister is 46 and My daughter who the car is for, is 7.
Diagnosed with sleep apnea, should Motability take the car back if i'm not a named driver?
So i've been diagnosed with sleep apnea which means I can't drive my daughter's motability car however I am not the named driver, my sister is. I contacted motability and they said as i'm not the named driver, I can't give the car back early even though I can't drive the car anymore so it is wasting my daughters pip money.
For context; My sister ( doesn't live with me, lives 20 minutes away ) is only the named driver as I am a learner. I'm 40, My sister is 46 and My daughter who the car is for, is 7.
Odd that people are ranting about 'youngsters' about this case, when the geezer who apparently did it was old enough to retire!
It's not ranting, and not explicitly about youngsters. For my part it's about lack of consequences. This stands up for all ages, but 'we' have created entire generations that don't typically have to face the consequences of their actions or choices. And the State facilitates it. So it's only going to get worse.
Aged 7 on pip with a motability car The adult living with her is a learner
I'd love to know how that works. So the only person who can drive the free car lives 20 miles away from the person who allegedly needs the free car. Would someone like to price up the odds of the kid ever having been in her car.
The adult living with her is a learner I'd love to know how that works. So the only person who can drive the free car lives 20 miles away from the person who allegedly needs the free car. Would someone like to price up the odds of the kid ever having been in her car.
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