Arc De Triomphe ‘26

I know the translation.

But their good to soft equates to what we call good ground over here and in Ireland.

First race Slow 1.82 Seconds.

if ewe pick the winner you will receive felátio from irons.

Thundering On should be fav , with all the allowances, she's certainly the one to beat.Just enough juice there, I'd say; I reckon she's a cracking value.

there might be multi winners irons will have jawache

Maltese CROSS!!!

Saddadd 50/1 and 7/1 top 4 could run into a place over the trip.

SELECTIONS please

rico - maltese cross
saxon -varandir/friendly soul
della - bright light/saddadd
NEC - thundering on
pomp - daryz
glassie - maltese cross
glen - saddadd / meisho tabura
Foyles - friendly soul / Varandir / bright light *
brandy - varandir / kalpan / diamond necklace
angela - kalpana / daryz
ace - kalpana ? friendly soul
impossible - diamond necklace / maltese cross ?
hushwing - thundering on
robbie - saddadd




add your selleckshun and repost.

Thundering On

Fav is a Cert ffs.

Good luck everyone! May the best horse win.

Aye good luck lads.....Well except you know who.

'acey', I like your confidence. No team tactic please, AOB / Coolmore. Unsporting behaviour has no place in sport.

Brilliant winner

Well done backers

well done daryz backers

Like a hot knife through butter!!!

good win but they won't take on calandagan

acey deucy04 Oct 26 14:58Joined: 29 Sep 02 | Topic/replies: 34,252 | Blogger: acey deucy's blog
Fav is a Cert ffs........Acey still the best.

Well done winners mine were duff and the one that gave up placed!

No doubt the 3 yr old fillies were better, if only BEHRANA was there, not that they’re bothered.

wd winners, ground too fast for some yet Bay City Roller a known soft ground horse
ran a screamer so no excuses, winner too good

Incredible horse. Monster. 10/1 after the Prix Ganay.

28 Pages for a race that could have been summed up in a sentence. Overkill doesn't come close.

'acey', you're right! Diamond ran a cracker, just the draw too insurmountable to overcome.

who won?

Fav

Stall 15 and stall 16 in 2nd and 3rd.

Pomp, Pen, Acey line up for your prize! Irons get on your knees and take the teeth out!

Orthadox Got Nay Fakin Chance...

acey deucy 26 Sep 26 14:52 
Lay for plenty

did you recoup your losses?

Sling DD you depressive doughnut

*it

Swings And Roondaboots Pal.

I posed the question about the 3 year old colts and you certainly never stuck your neck out you pleb

Biased of course but why did Colin Keane give up his early position? Kalpana was still gaining at the line but far too much to do. Should have been at least fourth.

Did she like Longchamp last year? Better horse this year they all said

differentdrum04 Oct 26 15:15Joined: 05 Oct 11 | Topic/replies: 21,432

28 Pages for a race that could have been summed up in a sentence. Overkill doesn't come close.



You are a grumpy one sometimes, DD

acey deucy 04 Oct 26 15:20 
Swings And Roondaboots Pal

tis when ewe dont bet.

Kalpana had every chance. Didn't stay/want good enough.
No excuses.

Bay City Roller, Diamond Necklace and Friendly Soul all ran crackers

Grumpy?

Get him a rope and a chair ffs

*wasn't

I’m in no doubt BEHRANA woulda placed. The trouble with backing two from one stable.

*at least

Delashay04 Oct 26 15:21Joined: 14 Apr 25 | Topic/replies: 11,156 | Blogger: Delashay's blog
Did she like Longchamp last year? Better horse this year they all said
Rate reply.....Spot on Horses For Courses innit.

Sunly might have been beaten yesterday but deserved to run there.

Guess next year as a 5 year old like Kap, funny how Graff kept the fairer sex away from Daryz!

Where did Kalpana finish? Did Denise (5-places) win (again)?

Thanks to all who got involved let’s hope we can have some more threads where people can give their views without all the negativity and rucks.

Yeah Ace, for me Sunly deserved to be there, next year I guess as a five year old like Kap this year.

Funny how Graff kept the two from the fairer sex away from the race!

Yes Acey, but don’t forget Sunly deserved to be there, despite the defeat yesterday.

And the other stablemate who on form woulda been thereabouts retired injured!

They knew the fillies and mares were better than the 3 yr old colts, I’m sure

Will he be packed off to stud now?

They said just as much yes

But also sting they’d love to try for 3, their mo with retiring the fillies was that they are too valuable, their careers were cut short so he’s got to be worth far too much to race again?

Where can you see the Betfair SP on the Arc?

Kalpana not good enough to beat Daryz but when you jump and get the rail after a furlong on a real stayer (which she is) why drop back and allow Daryz first run. She did scrape 5th which is a bit better than last year.

They said she was better being beat by Gia in the Hardwick said different, Calandagan not as good.

kalpana 5th

Two winners for the Thoroughbred Cooperation.

Good to see the colours again after the death of Ahmed Salman.

Soumi I’ll miss, glad he’s had winners, just watching back, Daryz followed him on Diamond all the way. Wasn’t worried being 3 wide as he followed who he wanted.

Well done to G Scott too, top bloke, no bluff, just confirmed Bay City for the Champion Stakes, if all is well

Had a little bet on Diamond Necklace at 20s for the fillies race at Ascot.
Hope they dont go to America instead.

How far is it in the states? 1m 2 or 3?

Big dodgy as Precise has thrown her hat in for also now

Im hoping after that run from Precise she goes to the States and Diamond Necklace goes to Ascot.

1m 2f this year in the States

You should be good, won’t want too soft.

Maltese and Varindar had a head between, form looking legit

Some run from BCR and DN but struggle to have them on ablity alone and more the draw forced thar hands and actually suited them and perhaps ground was better off rail.
Daryz just gets the trip perfectly and quickens effortlessly, has a class  temperament.
Wasn't too messy a race.
Fav really dug me out as had laid second, every days a learning day.
Kalpana as mentioned gave up a nice slot, pretty tame tbh and I suspected  hard against the rail wasn't the best ground  but they must of walked track.
From that draw should been able to sit closer and just off rail but prob wasn't/isn't quite top drawer.

Caps off to Daryz.

Think he outstayed them BnB both hadn’t much form over the distance, Barza gave him 3 sharp cracks to get DN once in control he eased.
Had the perfect toe and as you say might have been on the best land.

Glad Bay Cuty showed up well and that Epsom wasn’t a fluke.

Rishi on ITV reckoned the status of Daryz could be elevated to that of Dancing Brave. Really? Dancing Brave beat Bering, the unbeaten champion of France, Triptych, Shahrastani and Shardari. This renewal is pretty mediocre despite winning it in consecutive years.

Shame there was no interview of Princess Zahra post her horse's triumph on ITV.

Not bad for a mediocre race, had about 10 GP1 Wnrs in it.

you are right penzance . think maybe even 11 or 12 . i was there in 1986 and it was thrilling , but take nothing away from today's 2 time winner . i backed the stable companion that was given a shocking ride but the winner's turn of foot was a joy to watch  . the arc is still the benchmark  middle distance race in europe by some way , and how nice to see it run on decent ground .

I agree.
Great race, and a fab winner.

Impossible123 is a known negative Nancy

was a good race and meeting you have to play with the cards you are dealt.no complaints here.

Just 7 lengths split all runners 1-16 at the line…..They dawdled.
However, the best horse won.

have to agree with imp,  the top 6 in the 86 field was far superior to yesterdays field bar the winner

i must have been out the day ,the badminton,snooker, indoor bowls comms,PERSAD became the next brough scott,julian wilson,i,m old enough to remember when he was on tv just to eat the danish pasteries

"Not bad for a mediocre race, had about 10 GP1 Wnrs in it."     You can beat as many G1 winners as you like. There has to be winners of them.  Has he beaten a great horse either year ? He is a very good horse but for me not capable of what Calandagan did in '25.

Delashay • September 28, 2026 10:59 AM BST

The ratings have been updated and something doesn’t sit right with me.

If anyone is cheerleading it seems that the French Hanicapper is doing so in favour of the French races.

Maltese Cross has been given a colossal 56 and Ben is slightly lower on 55.5

Considering he beat the same horse off levels seems odd that they are so close.

I’ll say it I’ve never seen a winner of the race rated so high as those going into the Arc.

Treve was rated 54 for her Diane win, then 55 for her Vermielle win. To have her lower is extremely off for me.

Why because after the Jockey Club the French were proud that their winner was rated higher than the Epsom equivalent.

Christmas Day 51 and Con River 52.5  then boosted way high to 56 for his Eclipse win.

All very strange to me that these horse have been given such high ratings compared to Sunly and Kalpana.

Their form doesn’t match up.


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I’d posted this about the ratings of certain horses and when you consider that Varindar was rated 53

It does look well off that he was rated 1 below Treve. I belive that that French Hanicapper has gone well over board with his ratings to improve the look of who Daryz has beaten in his second Arc.


Bright Light was rated 51 just two below Varindir which wouldn’t put him out of calculations in terms of ratings. I’d asked if he was over priced then suggested that it might be that Maltese & Vanadir were under priced. Turns out they ran alongsides eachother again.
I’d said that you could run the GPDP over and over ans have a different winner, that bears out in their run yesterday.

Kalpana hasn’t improved, the days between races doesn’t suit those coming in from such a long layoff.

Varandir should have gone for the Chaudenay for which he was entered, Maltese the Leger which he wouldn’t have won anyway.

Many will say oh no not another conspiracy! But I believe that the only danger to Daryz came from within the same stable and was retired, for me BEHRAYNA would of stayed better than Diamond Necklace and had shown that she could cope with a slow pace as was yesterday.

I like to look back at races in the cold light of day, with no emotion, reflect with the hope in learning.

I knew that looking for another runner was the bad way to go after she’d been retired, but I was right about the fillies being better than the colts, an opinion which I’d formed through Pink Pantera beating a colt with form to Alam pre her Prix Diane run.

The memory of Daryz finding nothing off the bridle at Ascot was too much to let me back him with confidence, I’ll be careful with Graffard and how he shuffles his pack next year.

Sunly should have lined up, does he go down as a great, for some of the above reasons NO not for me.

The gut is worth listening too (my immediate reaction the the GPDP) another lesson for me is to go with this and lay horses when I think that they are wrongly priced.

Delashay • July 14, 2026 7:22 PM BST
The colts nah good

CagliariG • July 15, 2026 12:26 PM BST
"The colts no good" you stated Delashay!! What does that say about Behrayna who you are bigging up but who's time suggests she has a furlong in distance to make up on Maltese Cross who also carried 4lb more, no doubt you will have a magic quote that explains your comment?



Delashay • July 15, 2026 1:09 PM BST
Another knocker with a grudge appears! No opinions just snipes!

Yes the, “Colts are no good.�

If blanket finishes are your thing then good luck!

Forget where I said that it looked like a great Leger trial!

That for it was.

“P P made Maltese Cross their new St Leger favourite, halving his odds to 3-1 (from 6) ahead of Derby winner Christmas Day at 7-2.�

They agreed also Wink

As for, “Biggin’ her up� I’ve talked about her being the wrong price when compared to Diamond Necklace on formlines that are there for all to see.

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To be so right and lose on the face is my biggest bugbear but we live and we learn or hopefully keep our eyes as well as minds open.

What you should have learned is that hundreds of posts and months of speculation was pretty much a waste of time Delashay?

My selection, Bright Light, finished 13th, but the odds were good.


A few details.
In 2025 Daryz ran the first 1000 metres in 1:28.41, and a final time of 2:29.17 [56.5kg]
In 2026 Daryz ran the first 1000 metres in 1:29.35, and a final time of 2:27.11 [59.5kg]
They ran slowly for the first 1000m in 2026.


In 2025 Daryz covered the last 1400m in 1:00.76
In 2026 Daryz covered the last 1400m in 0:57.76 (3.00 seconds faster carrying 3.0kg more)

In 2025 Daryz covered the last 600m in 0:35.52
In 2026 he covered the last 600m in 33.32 (2.20 seconds faster carrying 3.0kg more)




In 2026 when Ace Impact won in 2:25.50 he ran the last 600m in 33.06s

That you questioned my reaction to the GPDP says that you aren’t as wise as you portray.

You questioned that response , “ The colts nah good.�

It was proven to be correct.

As the ratings were incorrect and fiddled to make the race look better than it was.

To rate a lugger like Maltese higher than Treve is a joke.

Delashay • July 15, 2026 11:26 AM BST
She has the pedigree to win an Arc and while Behrayna (Sea The Moon) has a way to go to get there, Tuesday's experience in the G2 Cygames Prix de Malleret will stand her in good stead.

When things got tactical in the night's support act over the ParisLongchamp track and mile-and-a-half trip of the big one in October, the unbeaten Aga Khan Studs homebred was able to overcome and prevail like the class filly she is. Pierre-Charles Boudot was unable to benefit from his manoeuvre to get a jump on the 3-5 favourite at the top of the false straight, eventually succumbing on Pink Panthera (Chachnak) by a neck.

Adding to the Stud, Francis Graffard and Mickael Barzalona's abundance of talent heading to the autumn showpiece, Behrayna descends from the 1989 Prix Saint-Alary winner and Arc runner-up Behera. Now four-for-four, having garnered the Listed Prix de la Seine here and G3 Prix de Royaumont at Chantilly in May, she was able to emerge untroubled by the potentially disruptive wide move of the Diane runner-up and show her speed to close out the contest's final three furlongs in 32.47. Juddmonte's Dispatches (Frankel) was three lengths behind in third.


“She is a very talented filly and found her rhythm quickly tonight, but the pace was slow and then picked up pretty quickly in the false straight,� Barzalona said. “She showed she is a proper mile-and-a-half filly and was able to pick up straightaway when I asked. She's a promising filly and we'll be able to judge her in the Vermeille.�


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From , https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/that-was-beautiful-graffard-in-awe-as-daryz-delivers-second-arc/

“Last year, he had to dig deep in a slow-motion 35.52 closing three-furlong sectional but this time he produced a 33.32 which is comfortable stuff for a colt with the gears that he possesses.�

Of course the ratings had to be fiddled and the fact that Varinder would have finished in front of Diamond Necklace if given a better ride (passage) backs up your assertions?

I can’t entertain someone who uses a phrase without knowing the meaning of it, “Statement.�

Delashay • July 14, 2026 7:22 PM BST
The colts nah good

That IS a statement given without time analysis etc straight After the GPDP. Since proven to be correct.

The best horse, the horse with the ability to upstage his stablemate missed the race.

If your aunt had testicles etc!!

“Varinder would have finished in front of Diamond Necklace if given a better ride�

That applies very well to your *�speculation�

Mistype above where used.


I can’t entertain someone who uses a phrase without knowing the meaning of it, * “Speculation�

He was beat 4L she 1L and bit, finished upsides his GPDP winner AGAIN who happened to pull his head off and waste energy.

Howard - I have to agree with you yet we'll probably get laughed at by most people regarding Calandagan...as nowadays,
even FHG says Daryz has intimated that he's improved past him after last season's gallops together when Calandagan
always held him snugly - he knew there was more improvement to come from Daryz...and nobody could disagree with that.

I tend to disbelieve connections when there might be an agenda...especially when one doesn't have a stud career to come
and I'm sure we'll see Calandagan bounce back soon.

As I stated before the Arc...I don't know what went wrong for Calandagan at Ascot but I KNEW that it couldn't possibly be
his true form as he is a proper champion who may well make history next season in The Arc, as geldings are now eligible.
The form of Kalpana is far from gold-dust (I rate her through Benvenuto & Lambourn as 'officially' I think she's probably
4lb higher than is merited) despite her being an exceptional mare...yet she's still a fair way behind Enable.
She's ran her race yesterday and I could easily see her bouncing back on Champions day...as she's a likeable, tough & classy mare.


"Not bad for a mediocre race, had about 10 GP1 Wnrs in it   
You can beat as many G1 winners as you like. There has to be winners of them. 
Has he beaten a great horse either year ? He is a very good horse but for me
not capable of what Calandagan did in '25"


Something HAS to win the G1 races & the 'trials' for the big day and over all...despite being a big fan of Daryz, he
doesn't have the bombproof form of some great champions of the past who he's now ridiculously being compared to like Dancing Brave
(which is incredibly dumb) by that DEI imbecile Persad, who may well be a relatively professional presenter but he's NO expert on racing
and his opinions on racing are worthless and just not worth listening to.

He's a moron who I recall saying that he'd walk home bóllóckó if Zarkava won a couple of decades ago - some judge eh?

Calandagan's been beat 8x, hows he a proper Champion?

Who's better than him besides Baaeed since Frankel?
He's definitely right in that conversation - that Champion Stakes is gold-dust form and he was darn impressive!

Champions don't get beat 8/18 races.
Not to me anyway.

Herbie there’s NO chance of Caldagan facing off against another contender from the same stable.

For those who believe how the French Hanicapper has Maltese Cross  56 , Ben 55.5 & Varindir 53

As said Treve was rated 54 for her Diane win, then 55 for her Vermielle win

Then look,

SOTTSASS 54.4 for beating Persian King 2L (an easy winner of their Guineas)

ACE IMPACT 56.5 for a 3.5L beating of Big Rock.


They’ve been WELL over rated.

To have those anywhere near those champions is a total joke!

Bias at play for the races status but worse G1’s you’d be hard to find.

Penzance - point taken and I'd agree with that statement but was Cirrus Des Aigles not a proper champion?
I'll ask again - in the last 15 years, whose form is superior? It's a short list.

PS - we have to disregard elites like Frankel and remain sensible & objective as looking at the bigger picture
he's UNDOUBTEDLY up there.

There have been very few 130+ horses in that period and I think he once reached a provisional 132/3.
Baaeed got to 135 as a benchmark.

I do not know...I'd be biased. Yesterday Daryz accelerated however, he seemed to take a while to get going, but going past BCR was never in doubt. The latter ran a very good race. I think Ace Impact showed better acceleration. He was more zippy - visually anyway.

I do not possess the same horsey knowledge or judgement as most here. I was only a keen and rather inexperienced bettor. Daryz is a good horse nonetheless, I cannot put the performance of Daryz in the same category as Dancing Brave. I'd rate Golden Horn higher than Daryz. Golden Horn beat Flintshire (a consistent performer), Treve, New Bay, Erupt and Found. There was more depth in the race.

Harbinger, career ended early through injury.Springs to mind.

That’s a fair enough assessment Impossible, I think what they said about him removing DB from the list is BS. Would rate GH a better winner.

He also showed he could travel and win from any draw.

I really don’t think that they needed to run Varindir if they rated him the same as GH and were trying to cover any bad draw scenario.

You guys have mentioned undoubted great horses and Daryz gives me vibes that he could've
been even better if he was pushed by quality opposition but as does happen, he can't help
who lines up against him.

That official 130 number I mentioned was Golden Horn's level and fully deserved tho' another
quality performer in Ace Impact is a bit like Daryz in that he wasn't pushed hard enough...
so he only earned 128 while Almanzor had a pound more.

To put that into context, as to what's requiered to hit 130...the mare great Enable only
ever hit 128 and it might be surprising to some that another great mare in Treve hit 130.

Harbinger's incredible King George rout got him 135 and it's such a pity he wasn't seen again as
on that evidence, he could've been a true great - he's already that...but I like to see it replicated!

Here’s something interesting

Arrow Eagle beaten 7L in 2025 from stall 16

Beaten 6 1/4 from 14 yesterday.

He’s not had great season and would not have liked the sprint, though he did clock the fastest finish last year if I recall right.

It was bottomless last year so I couldn't read into that too much...except to say Arrow Eagle's ran his race.
He might've even found a couple of pounds from last year which is not unexpected as a 5yo.
Despite the assumed under-performance, I also believe that's as good as Kalpana is.

I recall someone saying 6 months ago that it was an appalling Arc last year and was therefore critical of
Daryz & Minnie Hauk but I totally disagreed...as what more were they expected to do?
Put 8 lengths between the pack as opposed to 6 lengths?

While many weren't too enamoured with the placed horses at the time...I said back in April that I thought
it was very harsh to judge the front pair harshly due to the opposition though admittedly they weren't as
séxy-looking as usual renewals at the time but the also-rans have subsequently put that notion to bed as
Sosie, Giavellotto, Arrow Eagle, Kalpana, Hotazhell, Aventure, Gezora, Croix Du Nord have all since won
at G1 level...as well as numerous other G1 placings.

Needless to say...whoever it was (I can't recall) won't acknowldge that gross misjudgement