Arc De Triomphe ‘26

Answer are those your bets?

Soumi opted to ride for Scott in the Irish Champion on Wimbledon Hawkeye, having ridden for AoB during the same meeting. it’s massive that he’s deserted that horse.

He’s getting on, he’s not going to turn down a potential Arc winner is he?

He rode Hawkeye as it had a chance, is my reading of it all.

Post a single bet that you have had,together with the Stake and I might answer.
Until then,FRO

I backed DN before her eclipse in The Romanet at 8/1. This was after the injury to Behrayna. I'd also backed Maltese Cross at 7/1. Hopefully, one of these two silver bullets would hit the bulls eye.

I've soup kitchen this Saturday. I'll be able to watch ARC Day though.

Dela - I would definitely have a small E/W bet on your German rag if we'd had a bit of rain as
it would be more of a level playing field cos soft/heavy is such a great equaliser.

"News said that Minnie is a deffo with Ben if the ground is good"

Are there any positive words for her? I've heard nothing...as if she's making up the numbers
though maybe the 'no news is good news' maxim appeases me a bit as she's not so high-profile.

I can't say I'm confident but I would've been with any normal year's ground, given a positive
update or two - are we gonna get a Tony Bin year when he chinned Mtoto in 1988 and it was
officially described as good to firm? I think that was the last time I recall the 'F' word in
the ground...though French reports are often totally wrong.

There was a French classic a few years ago when the ground was officially firm and it was
definitely soft (or vice versa) though I've forgotten who won

Ideally, I'd hope for good to soft in most years to keep the majority of the big guns happy but
selfishly, because last years form is way ahead of anything else she's produced in her career, I'd
really like some horendous downpours...and then your Kráút friend will also be a treble digit E/W saver.

I recall the convo on here at the time Impossible saying to you that it was then an 8/1 gamble. Should have seen that he’d step Precise up as she could have done so back at Goodwood.

Getting Diamond beat at Deauville got them the better price, I hope you get a run as they are indicating. We’ll see if the fillies are better than the colts in the 3 year old division.

Pink Pantera’s runs over 1m 4f would give me great confidence that DN will get the trip as I felt she outstayed PP in the Diane.

(Boudout said the last 50 meters of the Vermille were slow for her)

Herbie AOB has been saying the this has been MH target all year and that he expects a better show and that he was pleased with her run at York.

It for me is intriguing that he’s secured both Boudout and Soumi for either Minnie or Ben respectively. You can’t be displeased with say Boudout getting in her. He’s been riding very well, quite ruthless since his comeback.

There a few question marks about a few of these and I’m not sure the Gerry should be seen as the rag, he was in front of Gialevetto on ground last time which was too quick for him. The horse he beat Kaplana is 8/1 and the rag 100/1!

He may want more rain but good will be ok and I think that the market has got quite a few of these wrong.

Saddadd looked gone in that race last time in Germany when they quickened initially until his stamina kicked in and if he takes to the track I can see him outrunning his odds as opposed some of these others much shorter.

Maybe we’re all wasting our time and Daryz will bolt up?

But I’ll be happy with an EW on something and a run the rag might give me that with an ok draw and the trainer has plotted his way here all year.
Second by a head in G1 where the form was franked and he’s those odds!

Which is the least experienced horse to have won the Arc?
Whether entertaining or informative, essential or merely anecdotal…

In fact, two horses have won the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe on their fourth start since 1977.
In 1995, Lammtarra won the Arc having raced only three times previously (once as a two-year-old and twice as a three-year-old).

In 1998, Sagamix also had just three starts to his name (all as a three-year-old) when he claimed victory on 4 October.

In contrast, the Italian Tony Bin, who won as a five-year-old in 1988, had already raced 21 times prior to that.
On average, winners of the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe had raced 9.5 times previously.

I have just received a message from The Bros and they said that,"Delbert,him a Raasclot"

Boudout rides Thundering On for Joseph.

Dem bumba seed talk too much!

What a sneak! So not for a AOB?

De RAAAAAAS

As reported!

No one wonder if 21 days was enough between races for her?

The line reported on the post earlier :

“O'Brien would not be drawn on whether Ryan Moore will stick by Diamond Necklace, although he confirmed that  Christophe Soumillon will pick up one of the other two, as well as raising the possibility that Pierre-Charles Boudot could come in for the other if all three run..â€�


Now :

“O'Brien would not be drawn on whether Ryan Moore will stick by Diamond Necklace, although he confirmed that Christophe Soumillon will pick up one of the other two rides.“



https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/prix-de-larc-de-triomphe/money-comes-for-diamond-necklace-in-arc-with-star-filly-to-head-aidan-obriens-three-pronged-assault-a1QTd0o9QG7K/

So two run?

had a few nonners ante post(expected tbf) left with varandir at 40 ish bright light 200 plus . graff and the media seem very confident with  daryz he may well win but 7/4 ish is very short imo,looks like they are waiting for the draw regarding sunley ,nonner if daryz is drawn well,she could still run if she kops a nice draw and the fav is in the car park or trap 1, havent given up hope completly yet and think she has a real  good chance if running here . daryz will obviously be most peoples idea of the winner but he has won a few small field group1s and 2s this season  which tell us he is probably at least  as good as last year ,wether he has improved on last seasons form the jury is out. possible as delashay has pointed out pearled majesty  looks big at 40/1 ,i thought on his last run behind varindar they were testing the water tripwise nothing was going better 400 metres out and soumi didnt throw the kitchen sink at him it looked a nice prep 40/1 looks generous if he lines up imo.

Foyles can’t have PM now that Soumi hs gotten off of him.

“And if we finish seventh in the Arc de Triomphe, there’s little chance he’ll be able to challenge for victory in the Champion Stakes…�

What’s this mean if they run better than that they’ll go Ascot? Very odd and confused lines coming from them, won’t run in the Arc if there’s no rain now going to run but without his jockey again.
Boudout was available chose elsewhere, all negatives for me.

More misreporting in the RP  Clowns


“Her three-and-three-quarter-length victory over Legacy Link was followed up with a fourth-placed finish in the Irish Oaks, but she bounced back to winning ways when landing the Blandford Stakes at the Curragh this month, when Ryan Moore replaced the injured Browne McMonagle in the saddle.�

Liam Headd
Lambourn correspondent
Published on 29 September 2026inPrix de l'Arc de Triomphe
Last updated 08:20, 29 September 2026

Rank amateur

You can’t make it up what these clown write

2026 Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe: assessing the strengths and weaknesses of the leading contenders for Sunday's big race
dd
Lambourn correspondent
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Andrew Dietz
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Published on 29 September 2026inPrix de l'Arc de Triomphe
Last updated 07:00, 29 September 2026


“Five-year-old mare Aventure, who was second behind Bluestocking in the 2024 Arc, could have a third crack at the race, having shown herself to be in great nick by winning last month's Prix Jean et Louis Romanet. She needs to be supplemented.�


That’s really likely to happen having been taken out yesterday

Delashay • September 29, 2026 10:49 AM BST
1    DARYZ M.PS. 4 A.    59,5 kg    57.5

2    SADDADD IRE M.PS. 4 A.    59,5 kg    53.5

3    CHESTNUT ROCKET M.PS. 4 A.    59,5 kg    51.0

4    ADMIRE TERRA JPN M.PS. 5 A.    59,5 kg    52.0

5    MEISHO TABARU JPN M.PS. 5 A.    59,5 kg    55.5

6    ARROW EAGLE M.PS. 5 A.    59,5 kg    51.5

7    BAY CITY ROLLER IRE M.PS. 4 A.    59,5 kg    56.0

8    MINNIE HAUK IRE F.PS. 4 A.    58 kg    54.5

9    KALPANA GB F.PS. 5 A.    58 kg    56.5

10    VARANDIR M.PS. 3 A.    56,5 kg    53.0

11    BENVENUTO CELLINI IRE M.PS. 3 A.    56,5 kg    55.5

12    Bright Light M.ps. 3 A.    56,5 kg    51.5

13    MALTESE CROSS M.PS. 3 A.    56,5 kg    56.0

14    THUNDERING ON GB F.PS. 3 A.    55 kg    53.0

15    DIAMOND NECKLACE (IRE) F.PS. 3 A.    55 kg    54.5

Supp stage tomoz with Friendly Soul a possible wirh her win and you’re in from the Vermille

It was probably pocket talking or talking for his sponsor / employer. Utterly disingenuous from the writer.

Friendly Soul is in. Mr Gosden has rolled the dice 2m ago, apparently.

16 it is then!

Looks a good race to me.

And tomorrow is Wednesday.

Whilst it is rare for a horse to contest the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe less than three weeks after its previous race, winners whose previous race took place 40 days earlier (or even longer) are more common. There have been seven such winners since 1977.

The average interval between the Arc and the previous race is 28 days. Two-thirds of the winners had raced between 21 and 28 days before their victory.

1985    Rainbow Quest    71 days ago
1993    Urban Sea    43 days ago
1995    Lammtarra    71 days ago
2001    Sakhee    47 days ago
2010    Workforce    71 days ago
2022    Alpinista    45 days ago
2023    Ace Impact    47 days ago



Maltese Cross 46 days ago
Kalpana 45 days ago
Diamond Necklace 42 days ago
Minnie Hauk 45 days ago
Admire Terra 49 days ago
Meisho Tabaru 112 days ago

It's always foolish to try and anticipate where Coolmore horses will head to but I did mention a word of
warning with Diamond Necklace for the Arc months ago as there were a few questions to answer with the trip,
as well as the obvious target The L'Opera...the G1 gimme on the same day - that's NOT to say I couldn't
see her running a very big race in the Arc...though it's still a very big 'IF' that she goes.

I don't think her form is good enough...though what still rings in my ears are Soumillon's words last year
about comparisons with Zarkava...and he's a top judge (not renown for búllshíttíng) who'd know as he's ridden
plenty of champions over the decades.

We are now approaching the best time of the season tbh,the Arc outguns the Oaks and Derby by far imv….hopefully the geldings don’t take the shine away next year or whatever year it changes…..

Who will win this weekend's Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe based on previous trends?
Alistair Jones with the key pointers to consider for Sunday's blockbuster race

“Maltese Cross is a Grade 1 winner courtesy of his victory in the Grand Prix de Paris, a race that Saumarez (when staged over 1m2f), Peintre Celebre, Bago and Rail Link all won en route to Arc glory. He is probably the most progressive three-year-old in training, but one nagging concern is the 46-day break since winning the Great Voltigeur. That’s lengthier than ideal when 20 of the last 23 winners had run between 21 and 29 days prior to the Arc.�

A couple on the thread will enjoy this!


Verdict

With the draw so influential, it makes sense to recommend two.

A talented home-trained three-year-old is usually the way to go and Prix Niel winner Varandir might upstage his esteemed stablemate Daryz, who would join an elite group should he win two of these.
Maltese Cross can run well but Thundering On, a three-year-old filly who impressed in last month’s prep race, has the stronger credentials on trends.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/prix-de-larc-de-triomphe/who-will-win-this-weekends-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe-based-on-previous-trends-aMN704U99Uqh/

Agree Ace, the early cards are in for Saturday Distant Storm steps up in trip to take on Phineas in the Dollar and Wimbledon Hawkeye.

There’s a very interesting early clash of formlines for the Arc in the Chaudenay wirh the Amy Murphy pair taking on odds on Pierre Bonnard.

All have bigger fields than has been the norm so looks cracking!

16 in the Arc with Friendky Soul added.

Are you confident BCR will run? Scott said he would not run on watered ground so rain required if he stands by his comment , not so sure Thundering On will want that either but they may take their chance?

Both have been jocked up, the only ones not to be are the usual suspect who likes to keep us all in suspense.

All the horses have jocks besides those 3.

That does not guarantee they will run though.

I know and apologies to the suspect the Aga pair haven’t been jocked yet.

The pair that you mention have drifted on account of the ground. So with quick can expect them to do so more most likely especially if drawn badly tomorrow.

Are you confident BCR will run?  Given the U turns in racing I.e. the very recent BS from Head about Pearled I don’t trust them anymore than the actor with crocodile tears in parliament!

“Barzalona rides Daryz, Clément Lecœuvre sits on Varandir�

That’s been reported as being the case, are they waiting for the draw before confirming??…

Thundering On has been withdrawn from the Opera but no pink.

I'd be shocked if Barzalona jumps off Daryz.

If Daryz gets a draw in the lower half I suspect he could shorten to 5/4 or less, the trainer and rep have already stated he is the better of the two but did mention the draw could have an effect.

Just seems odd that they’ve not been jocked up? I don’t trust that lot either.

if the draw is so important whats the point in putting 2 up before the draw,they might get 15 and 16

Best waiting until midday tbh…

The draw will not be officially released until post 2130 hrs (BST) on Thursday Quixall.

I’m taking Sunday Cag…

Ok Quixall.

Uk i normally know the evening before,certainly early morning as we know the weather forecast and ground …over there it’s best to keep an eye on Sky racing,the pundits are usually on the button….

Not sure if this will load?

https://www.france-sire.com/article-lessentiel-52457-saint_cloud_rumoriste_au_courage.php

It’s worth re watching this race from earlier in the year.

I’ve posted the formlines earlier on this thread, Fabre is without a runner, I though this one might his horse before he went wrong.

AI Overview
        French horse racing jockey Maxime Guyon (whose name resembles "Maxim Goyen") described the thoroughbred horse Rumoriste as a "steamroller" (rouleau compresseur).
Following their victory in the Listed Prix de l'Avre at ParisLongchamp, Guyon noted that the colt was heavily built for the 2,400-meter distance. He also indicated that Rumoriste was firmly on track and "bound" for the Group 1 Grand Prix de Paris.

Doesn't run, Dela.

Brandy

Sorry if I’ve confused people, I wanted to show the formlines vs the market and how it seems off, through bias, ignorance or not knowing. (That’s not a slur on anyone.)
I believe bias to be the main reason.

I wondered why A Subronics set his horse on the path that he did? So I looked for a report or view on the horse that he faced on only his second start at Listed Level , Rumoriste.

Back in May he’d said this and had this all planned :

Same story for Bright Light, second under Benjamin Marie, for the German training of Andreas Suborics. This is the best 3 years in his stable. "The horse was good, the winner set his own pace and started off quickly. I think that on a less flexible track, ours would have been even better, learned the former top jockey. But it’s very good, and he will now go to the Italian Derby (Gr. II), then to a group I in Germany (in September, the Grosser Preis von Baden). Finally, we will see with the owners whether to hire him in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe or not; it’s a possibility, as is a possible supplement in the Grand Prix de Paris.�

So he gone to a maiden, then a listed, G2 into G1 where he was beaten a head. There were excuses for his other runs but where did that faith come form?

He must of known that Rumoriste was very well thought of. (That’s my feeling)

From the post this morning , Who will win Sunday's Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe based on previous trends?

“Maltese Cross is a Grade 1 winner courtesy of his victory in the Grand Prix de Paris, a race that Saumarez (when staged over 1m2f), Peintre Celebre, Bago and Rail Link all won en route to Arc glory.�

This horse was a head away from wining an all aged G1 yet is priced at 100/1 as though it was a fluke.

The trainers confidence and route says that it wasn’t he decided to keep his horse away from the GPDP and the other 3yr olds already knowing his quality.

Next time out Rumoriste beat … who was on his second start @ listed having taken his maiden. Lacked experience.

The Grand Prix Du Paris, someone shows up again.

Prix Niel and again we have a different result.

(It’s worth comparing RPR’s of both races this and the GPDP (Alam run on those as though it very much was a trial)
Varandir  matched Maltese’s figure here.

Either the market is wrong before the draw and the going on the day and Bright Light is over priced? Or maybe the others are underpriced?

That’s my point that I throw out there.

You might run the GPDP over and over with all of them and have a different winner each time?

I’m all posted out!

Will await the draw and see what transpires.

Good luck all let’s hope that it’s a great race and weekend to savour.

Maltese Cross is only 7/2 with 'Starsport' in contrast to DN who's taking a walk here. Connections induced he latter?

It seems a ludicrous price before the draw Impoosible.

I also think that Saddadd is also over looked in the market (40/1) maybe because of who he beat, but he only made his debut in G1’s this year.

Maltese is very short and is no value now unless Daryz draws the car park stall. All will be revealed just after 9.30pm tomorrow unless the market indicates prior.

recent History of winners of the GPDP  :

Going back to 2006 Rail Link (who won a small field Arc)

The last Grand Prix De Paris winner to hit the frame was Hurricane Lane 2021 He’d won the Dante but was 3rd in the Derby.
Won the St Leger before the Arc. It’s debatable if Maltese would have won this years Leger.
He was drawn 2 in the Arc that year but found TORQUATOR TASSO and TARNAWA too good.

On that you can see why he was shorter than the others but given the record of GODP winners it’s debatable if he was value in what looks like a better Arc field.

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/results/2021-10-03/parislongchamp/650780/qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe-group-1

Hurricane Lane started as 5/2 fav.

2024 Sosie won the GPDP and finished 4th in the Arc behind BlueStocking, Aventure, Los Angles. Placed in the Arc a year later as 4 year old.

2013 Flintshire  Finished 8th in that years Arc
Placed 2nd in the next two Arcs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prix_de_Paris

2022 Onesto won but missed that years Arc and placed as 4 year old.

(Posted before I’d added this!)

Hurricane Lane won his GPDP by 6L

Sosie by 2L

Flintshire 1.5L

Onesto Nk but 2.5L back to the 3rd

(This years was a very tight finish) with other runners potentially missing.

That’s me (as said all posted out) , not sure if ATR will be shoeing the draw results later? They normally show the draw on the morning.

Hopefully some have enjoyed the journey, good luck!

remember when thi forum had a 1000 posts adviing people how to make the besr of ARC weekend in paris,wonder how many till go in comparison to 20yr ago, been half a dozen time and the 3 times i went with horse racing abroad were 3 of the best festival away days ive had

As you can tell, I love it, my fav weekend!

All 16 declared and jocked except the usual suspect.

any news of the draw yet?

This evening...though waiting for any "leaks"

thanks isleham ,thought it was this morning

Drawing at 11.00….secret out tonight around 20.00 I think

Why is betting suspended here? I understand the draw and confirmation after 9.30pm tonight but why is betting suspended here? A new market could be formed now prior to the draw, etc.

Wake up Betfair!

Article in todays RP with bookies predicting Daryz could be as short as 5/4 if getting a favourable draw , seemed obvious tbf. The same would apply to any runner in the bottom half i.e shortening and the opposite for those with carpark draws.

Do you take a chance for a price pre-draw or have a bigger stake at shorter odds post draw assuming you are happy with the ground for your selection?

In the case of Daryz the article predicts he could start around 5/2-11/4 if getting a high draw , that imo would still be value given his ability so backers what will you do in regards to your current fancies?

This secret draw, what a load of ole cobblers.

A big leakage after draw and prior to announcement? Watch the markets. Money talks!

will the betting on here be suspended till after the draw is made ?

Who knows? The betfair clowns are a law unto themselves.

Not sure about when a new market might open Foyles, it is the AP market suspended ,  but the books have said they will keep the market live, little movement so far.

absolutely pathetic, biggest race in the world and we cant bet on it on the echange

Struggling to see beyond Daryz before the draw so had a couple of small ew on Saddadd 40/1 and Meisho Tabura 33/1 with the thought of a place and shortening if getting decent draws. Tbh even after the draw Daryz will be the likeliest winner wherever drawn so might not even bother with another punt post draw.

Who else apart from the Snail Eaters make the Draw and find the need to keep it a supposed secret?

CagliariG 01 Oct 26 15:48 
Struggling to see beyond Daryz before the draw so had a couple of small ew on Saddadd 40/1 and Meisho Tabura 33/1 with the thought of a place and shortening if getting decent draws. Tbh even after the draw Daryz will be the likeliest winner wherever drawn so might not even bother with another punt post draw.

Sorry Cag I couldn’t have them in a million tbh..

Fav too short other two fodder,a day in hospitality for owners

Excellent news Quixall!!

You only have to ask…

Of the 8 horses that Daryz beat pre Ascot has won since, Aventure and she was wiped out in the DP Saint Cloud.

One was retired since Sosie, so you could say 7, if he’s invincible why are they running two?

In a vid Graffard said after Ascot we decided to go for the Secind Arc, I doubt that he’d be here if he’d won the POW.

I’d posted quotes where they were up in the air with plans after Ascot and Sid that they had to decide.

He’s facing a different calibre here than he did in the Ganay and D’ispahan.

These lot have previous with putting Barza on the so called first string in the last two Jockey Clubs!

He was on Ridari in last years race when a position behind the Lecouvre ridden Azimpour.

This year Barza was on the little Bro Daryzan who was again behind Doloman (since sold to Australia) again ridden by LeCovre.

Will he find off the bridle? In a truly run race against better opposition than Uthred or Arrow Eagle?

Or was Ascot as good as he was? The form matches up with Minie Hauk after all.

These are things that the press don’t ask.

365 nrnb atm ...obviously we dont know the draw but ive had a few quid  with them now and maybe the rest when the draw is known ,daryz i s a worthy fav and graff says he is possibly the best he has trained he may win but at the prices not for me whatever  draw he gets and im not sure he is any better than he was last year plenty short enough imo. the 3yos not a lot between em it looks more open than the betting suggests imo, already on varandir and bright light ante post plus a couple of nonners sh,appens ,one who may have been underestimated   at a price is friendly  soul a 5yo who is lightly raced for one of that age is progressing an opera winner and won the vermille on first crack at 12f a prominent racer who may be hard to peg back a  6 wins 2 place from 10 starts 2 time group 1 course winner kept on tenaciously in the vermille ,gosdens have a decent record in this and know what it takes 25/1 firms hoping for bigger on here and a decent draw but being a prominent racer /front runner could have the speed to get in front early and will avoid any trouble in running

He described Daryz as a 10f horse, Varindir however didn’t run in the PDJC ran over 12f on his second start. Daryz looked like a 12f horse getting whacked over the wrong trip at Ascot.
His class allowed him to win over shorter before Ascot.

Varindir was entered in the Chaudeny

Which I’m not sure if anyone has noticed?,   has 3 form lines that are in the Arc running the next day.


Victoire Magique 11/2 3rd fav ws beat 9 1/2L by Rumoriste/Bright Light

Jabracadabra  10/1 was beat 1 L 1/4 by Varandir

The Fav (was odds on) Pierre Bonnard beat by Arc second Fav Maltese Cross 2L in receipt of 5lb

Fair play Foyles

Same 3 as Foyles ...

Delbert remains well on target to exceed 500 posts here

The thread is looking healthy

Once the draw is known I can then come back to life

Blame the Frogletarres for me still posting, the suspense is worse than an episode of Murder She Wrote

Not that I GAF! I’m on a 100/1 + who will hate the quick ground

But when I was discharged from hospital the other day, the guy who signed me out was an African guy called BRIGHT *

The only surprise is that you were considered safe to be released

Madness how this can happen in 2026
If want big gala night than do draw
At gala event doing hours befor not letting cat out bag
Open for manipulation red herring all sorts

Can’t bet surly now till draw up
Unless you have wind of it