James Owen

Rishi never said a work about his horse

Stable lass
is
FIT!!!

34.7222807851111                £1,385.40    £38,985.74
35.32            £108.98       
36            £1,271.02       
37.18            £165.18       
38            £1,175.03       
39.03            £157.96       
40            £1,199.11       
40.89            £167.18       
42            £3,061.20       
42.75            £6.55       
44            £2,075.67       
46            £1,434.95       
48            £814.77       
50            £723.63       
55            £117.88

Good luck to him

Deserved it after losing Lincoln in a photo

How extraordinary that he couldn't win any footling races after the Lincoln near-miss and then comes into this on an undamaged mark and no c unt can find him at 28s and he wins! The Royal Hunt Cup: almost everything I hate about Flat racing rolled into one!

Seems to find a way of improving even modest horses, it might help his wife is a vet, at least that saves on the bills.

Been a few rumours, probably no substance though

There are always rumours,the dealer

Aye there is very true, sometimes though when it doesn't look right, it often isn't, they might not be breaking any rules but might well be stretching them to its absolute limit.

Quite so, the Dealer. I was only thinking this morning as I looked at the runners and riders: 'How could any racing official establish a line between training in public (supposedly against the rules) and 'trying a trip' and all the other incidences of sad sacks failing to win paltry races then dotting up when a purse is fat? Answer, they can't, and racing has been immemorially corrupted by these largely unenforceable 'gentlemen's codes'.
Personally, I priced in a little skullduggery to my calculations long ago but huge fields it gets ridiculous, an insult to the intelligence.

Moore is on the next one have they got this one pumped up

What incentive do you have to pay the game straight, Epidavros for example, ran at Hamilton today, has ran 17 times without winning and her mark is only 2lb lower than when she won that day.

Of course,it is entirely possible that he has an "edge" but we don't know for certain

What incentive do you have to pay the game straight, Epidavros for example, ran at Hamilton today, has ran 17 times without winning and her mark is only 2lb lower than when she won that day.

Being honest and not breaking rules? It's a poor lookout for the sport if, underneath all the top hats, it can't be played straight.

Handicaps are an incentive to cheat and always have been

One of the first books I ever read about racing said: Royal Ascot is a punters graveyard. Nuff said.

Handicaps are an incentive to cheat and always have been

All penalty systems are if it comes to it. But I like betting handicaps usually  . . .

It doesn't diminish my enthusiasm for the sport but it can be massively frustrating, losing to something you know has been messed about with.

Will be at Ayr Friday, the racing is low key but the food is excellent

The small number of connections who try hard every time need their bumps felt.

Indeed they do,Cider

Dealer - are you a pro gambler?

No definitely not lol

Love going racing and have shares in a few at Katie Scott's

The small number of connections who try hard every time need their bumps felt.

So you are confirming that the sport is a mug's game and bent?

An exaggeration,colonel but it is essential to be able to read a form book to have any chance

An exaggeration,colonel but it is essential to be able to read a form book to have any chance

OK, I think I can. The only way a form student would back Rogue Diplomat would be by saying: 'The form says no as he he has been **** since the Lincoln but he might have just been acting **** since the Lincoln to keep fit and and workable handicap mark but he might come back to life now there's loads of money in the pot'. I've thought that before about other horses and I've won, but when the nag has won I've thought: if that is the workings-out to get a winner then this is not so much a mug's game as a full-on c unt's game. And so it is at Royal Ascot obviously.

Did anybody force you to have a bet?
I know I didn't,colonel

That's the way it's structured, colonel. There are very few sports where poor performance is rewarded, and good performance penalised. I cannot believe people pay £20K+ annual fees to keep a horse in training, and don't want to work the system. Look at Goldie as a great example of how to work the system. You don't have to blatantly hook horses either, but it does need some patience and strategy.

Never mind the handicap fodder, the Irish mafia sometimes use group 1 races as preps.

My main betting genre is specials and there is a corollary with horse racing. You can't make connections try, no point in complaining when they don't. It's up to gamblers to figure out what the outcome will be, not what it should be. So I have no qualms with betting for example a Skelton one lined up for a big pot. It doesn't matter to me that previous races might have been used as stepping stones. If I bet one and it is used in that race in a stepping stone, that's my fault for getting it wrong.

Did anybody force you to have a bet?

That betting shop banter is the silliest response ever - and I notice people only say it about racing. Any other sector of society that falls short is not let off scot-free in the same way. For instance if you get ripped off by a holiday firm only a berk would pop up and say: 'Nobody forced you to go on 'oliday, now did they?' When people cheat in sport punters are ripped off. You will not square that.

If I bet one and it is used in that race in a stepping stone, that's my fault for getting it wrong.

I take a similar view throughout both seasons but I also think: This is a c unt's game and I must be one for playing it.

There's artful, which I think all connections have to be, and then there's crooked, and there's grey areas in between. But you can go DECADES without that essential truth being aired on television or in the sporting press. Why? Seems wrong, corrupt and unjust.

Needless to say that when connections, however so grand they may be, go out not to try, they are no more than cheap crooks. You can't make it morally right; you can only make it explicable because the sport is immemorially corrupt.

Only you will know your P&L colonel.
Best of luck though

Gosden opening admits to telling Halling's jockey not to win. It wasn't a truth serum, I believe that the jockey went live in New Zealand and made the story public.

Presvis another high profile case, hooked in three maidens and was a group 1 horse (albeit a nutcase).

I was betting on horse racing for my income during bandit racing.

As I allude to above, it is what it is. If I was offended by a none jigger then I wouldn't bet on horses.

The most egregious has generally gone imo, flat out hooking a fav to lay it and get it beat at any cost. But a recent example where a jockey opted to risk going home in an ambulance instead of winning, it's not completely eradicated.

Only you will know your P&L colonel.
Best of luck though

Most years I'm up or down about a grand. Last year and this year I lost about £2,500 (that's roughly April to April) BUT I put bets on for my mum who can be good but wants to bet every race on ITV on a Saturday or big meeting plus I am a degenerate bettor of accumulators and the like as idiotically I still retain my teenage dream of winning a vast amount on an acca. I know, bookies like idiots like me. But the figures tell me that with more discipline and cutting back on mug bets I would probably turn a small profit most seasons.

As I allude to above, it is what it is. If I was offended by a none jigger then I wouldn't bet on horses.

Makes sense to me but as I say, you can accept the status quo but you cannot square it and make it right: it's stinky.