Is Oisin murphy ...

Bah

would agree he's a top jockey
actually its outside the top 3 in the betting you'd have done best in the long run
...by a big margin

The number of trainers who book him every day confirms what they think. In my view he has gone up a level this year so far. Just hope he can keep focussed on riding.

Zźzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Yet another sparkling contribution from the losing,bet editing Two Bobber

Have a day off upthea£se man

Absolutely embarrassing no mark

Old Park Star

too easy man, honestly

Bullshatters are us for eggy

@ sageform  ........  that has always been the issue,  but when he's on it, he's on it. Not so much Messi, but George Best. I really don't understand why the flagshaggers hate him so much  ?

I like him, and he is good for racing. Talks to the fans and is informative.

not even top 10, no flair AND weak in a finish

Old Park Star, when did this last run?

£addo

What a pathetic attempt man

I miss Delta me

Reeled a few in.

Why are so many jockeys named Oisin? Was there a tv heartthrob called Oisin in Ireland a couple of decades ago? (Presumably many Harrys were named after HRH.)

Oisín is a celebrated figure in Irish mythology, renowned as a warrior and the greatest poet of the Fianna. The son of the legendary Fionn mac Cumhaill and the fairy queen Sadhbh, his name translates to "little deer"


I'm hoping he wins on Harry Knows, 2.48.

He's a 'binary' jockey - great or awful - play Russian roulette at to which one you will get if backing his rides. Plus, he is overbet, so shorter prices often.

I'm never sure if posts like this are serious - why follow a jockey, given they vary so much, and level stakes profit...? hah, fat chance.

Agree about overbet which is true of any of the top riders flat and jumps. You have 3 choices. Carry on following, be selective or lay them. Your choice. How overbet are Skelton's? The tipping comps confirm to me that betting very short prices give you a very high strike rate but not much profit. The sweet spot for me is between 2/1 and 6/1. At least the tipping comp does not cost you real money.

oisin isn't overbet

Top class jockey.

Not one for me. A few shorties without a Plan B despite heading toward a cul-de-sac.

He always looks like he’s ready to blow…..that side stare/glance……

To me at times he seemed to be just switched on for that particular moment eg being interviewed on air immediately after the race. Anyway, he's not one for me. He's done well since his traffic incident. Good luck to him.

Clearly a top class.
Only an utter clown would think otherwise

Do the fangirls miss his rides like the three beaten favourites in a row at Epsom recently, or just watch when he's winning (cheerleaders)?

His support is basically akin to those who 'follow' Bowen around over jumps - seem to go blind when he rides the awful rides...

Jockeys lose more often than they win,Stu

I agree with that irons, but even more reason not to become a jockey fangirl over a particular one...

If I fancy a horse and he is riding it is certainly not a negative.
If I don't fancy one there is no Jockey born that would make me back it

Level stakes profit is easiest way to judge whether he's worth following. and that has a minus after his rides...

Fair enough to compare it to others I suppose, but not really worth bothering for a profit reason.

7lb better than most…

Jun 9, 2026 -- 3:46PM, stu wrote:

Fair enough to compare it to others I suppose, but not really worth bothering for a profit reason.

big priced winners skew LSP figures
also the more rides a jockey has the harder it is for a punter to overcome the overround

before today...
9959 UK/ire rides w/o a claim, 1779 winners
proportional staking to match £10, BSP used & ignoring commission (for reasons stated above) gives stakes 17375.56, p/l +399.45, roi +2.3%

big sample & no skew

pl markets for even less variance
9908 UK/ire markets with pl market, riding w/o a claim, 4303 places
same method as above stakes 41797.93, p/l +1217.07, roi +2.9%

legit top jockey

ignoring commission would many other jockeys also show a positive though? That makes it a lot easier of course.

only do it to present clean data for comparison purposes stu
although oisin is still profitable in win & pl markets after 2% comm

Jun 9, 2026 -- 4:29PM, stu wrote:

ignoring commission would many other jockeys also show a positive though? That makes it a lot easier of course.

yes half of all jockeys are above the median jockey & half are below

more are below when 2% comm applied

Just out of interest, have you ranked them all of profitability using these approaches? Many above him?

haven't ranked them as too many problems comparing jockeys what with jockey claim situation, usually too small sample sizes etc
but approx 1/3 of all jockeys have figures as good as that or better

that's on either win or pl metric individually
some don't tally (eg +ve & +ve or -ve & -ve)
can be due to variance etc not a big enough sample, default riding style is another big factor

but positive roi in win & pl markets after near 10k rides w/o claim & esp after comm applied...beyond doubt he's top jockey
hope useful to you

*some don't tally (eg +ve win & -ve pl or -ve win & +ve pl) sorry

Ok ta.

OM is on the fav in the last race at Salisbury. I'd better get on, TYIA, theflyget

Thanks again!

All the people bumming him up how about putting your bets up - pre race - on here, and we can all see how profitable, or otherwise he is to follow? Not going to happen is it? He rides too many losers, too many short ones, and it's impossible to dodge them all.

The sport is in really bad shape - too many ordinary jocks, too many ordinary horses, and too many bookmaker races. That's what is on the menu day in day out. These days it's far too easy to find something better to do. I will dip in to Royal Ascot (most should at least be trying), but other than that quite happy to watch the cricket, football, tennis, and athletics instead. The product has shot itself in the foot. You could halve the number of meetings, and it would still be too many.

Was at Carlisle yesterday, the ordinary jockeys and the ordinary horses, produced a great day's racing imo others of course, may think differently. Everyone there yesterday certainly looked like they were enjoying themselves in the sunshine.

DD,no sane person is recommending backing anybody blindly.
As I have already said,if he is on one I fancy I am happy enough if the price is right

And I'm not saying that.

If you are that confident that he is that good just put up your selected bets and see what happens. Clearly nobody is that confident.

The Dealer, if you like watching mediocre rubbish that's your choice. What was the crowd, and what would it have been if it wasn't sunny?

I didn't have time to count the crowd or ask everyone if they were here purely for the weather but I've been there plenty times in the past when cold and wet and the crowd in my opinion holds up well there.


I bet there were more happy and entertained at Carlisle on Monday than Epsom Saturday, regardless of the jockeys or the class of horse.

Grade 5/6 may be rubbish to you but going racing regularly,l it certainly isn't rubbish to everyone.


Only my opinion and what I've seen, each to there own

Meanwhile back to the original question, yes I would have Murphy over any other British jockey, when you hear him speak about his rides he seems a mine of information and connections must love having someone of his ability giving his thoughts after the race.

Totally agree Glasgow.

100% GC

What he says to an owner is not much use to 99.99% of people, particularly punters. Don't owners have a forum?

Jun 9, 2026 -- 11:54PM, uptheirons wrote:

DD,no sane person is recommending backing anybody blindly.As I have already said,if he is on one I fancy I am happy enough if the price is right

exactly uti

my replies were in response to the comment that oisin is overbet
which he quite clearly is not

bet what you like from whatever he is riding seems sensible to me, likely to be small +EV

I'd actually be amazed he is not overbet given the amount that show fanship for him, even in this forum sample.

As you said he is a losing punt (with commission) and his level stakes is a minus figure, and there is a large % who has as good or better overall returns.

Not overbet?

As you said he is a losing punt (with commission)

re-read what I have posted

But your figures did state this?

approx 1/3 of all jockeys have figures as good as that or better

I'm wondering where the fanclubs are for those 1/3 of jockeys...

Stu,you are free to believe what you wish to as are others so there is little point in trying to prove personal views

stu • June 10, 2026 1:13 PM BST
As you said he is a losing punt (with commission)

wondersobright • June 9, 2026 4:31 PM BST
oisin is still profitable in win & pl markets after 2% comm

I'm actually posting facts not 'beliefs' (if wonders statement above is correct)

Fair enough if true over a period wonders - but 1/3 also do that?

Presuming you mean at BSP for that figure wonders?

is true approx 1/3 of jockeys have a better roi but few have the same it over the volume of rides oisin has done it over
so you can be substantially more confident in oisin's numbers than you can jockeys with fewer rides

remember in some of the 1/3, because of small sample sizes, randomness has played a part in them being profitable

whereas for oisin it's a negligible factor after near 10k rides

Out of interest who is absolute 1st place of the jockey lists on your measures wonders, the true winner?

remember in some of the 1/3, because of small sample sizes

Agree sample size could be a factor, but most regular jocks (not amateur/claimers etc) would have a big enough sample?

usually want min 1000 rides w/o a claim to have a firm idea...rules out a lot of jockeys
you just learn to be careful with small samples

Jun 10, 2026 -- 1:31PM, stu wrote:

Out of interest who is absolute 1st place of the jockey lists on your measures wonders, the true winner?

presuming just pros...is that flat or jumps or all? UK or ire as well?

William Carson is another good listen Glasgow tbh,explains about the moderate horses he rides,Paddy Bradley is another…

Blue eyed boys just like to say the boss likes him he should get further…..PJ McDonald another good talker ….horsemen.

Murphy is 7lb in front of most imv…..

carson a long term avoid on the figs
bradley indifferent
PJ ok but he's old tho

Meant UK flat really wonders?

does depend on what you value most but prob hart

Too many point and shoot compared to horsemen……

Thanks wonders - interesting one!