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shambles, and few years back few minutes before the derby , claire balding and co thought it was a good idea to light up some fireworks
How many horses in the history of world pool have been deemed non runners post race under these type of rules?
What other countries even use this type of rule?
I'm asking as people are saying WP affected the decision.
Also how did it affect the WP?
Are jockeys going to start pulling up soon after stalls open if they think some random infraction or event has occurred, like blindfolds, head hitting stalls, stumbles due to a stone or wind blows a bag over course, horse had a fly in its eye ect ect ect.
What other countries even use this type of rule?
I'm asking as people are saying WP affected the decision.
Also how did it affect the WP?
Are jockeys going to start pulling up soon after stalls open if they think some random infraction or event has occurred, like blindfolds, head hitting stalls, stumbles due to a stone or wind blows a bag over course, horse had a fly in its eye ect ect ect.
One quote to show how terrible standards are and it gets your neck up! 
It was the slowest Derby in over 40 years! Given his flop at Donny he had absolutely no chance.
It was 3.5 secs slower than the Coronation.
Exactly afterthought.
It was the slowest Derby in over 40 years! Given his flop at Donny he had absolutely no chance.
It was 3.5 secs slower than the Coronation.
Exactly afterthought.
Post any bet you had on the race,you Autistic loon,bullshatter
Gutted about my double that was posted! ? Want to ruin another thread?
Just say on what platform you had it.
Was it on BF or elsewhere?
Simple enough to do if you had it.
BTW,I like people winning but despise lying bullshatters.
Naturally,you will be unable to prove your bet
Was it on BF or elsewhere?
Simple enough to do if you had it.
BTW,I like people winning but despise lying bullshatters.
Naturally,you will be unable to prove your bet
The Derby fav was never going to handle that going, 8 seconds slower than standard and the mega rich owner has landed a touch.
We had two favs yesterday that looked like non triers.
We had two favs yesterday that looked like non triers.
Once should be enough, go to the Epsom Derby thread remind yourself.
Just post your P&L from yesterday.
Simple enough to do unless you are a lying bullshatter,Delbert.
Come on,as we know you like to prove that you are right.
1,000 against the Autistic loon doing so.
Perhaps he is related to Hulk
Simple enough to do unless you are a lying bullshatter,Delbert.
Come on,as we know you like to prove that you are right.
1,000 against the Autistic loon doing so.
Perhaps he is related to Hulk
other than the owners having a bet and getting their money back,they cant have had much on went from 7 to 4 to 10/30, ande preumably would have backed XMA day o lost 25% of their winnings,lost any ante post bets, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE TO AOB,COOLMORE,MOORE THE HORSE BEEN CALLED A NR ,WE ALL AW IT GET HAMMERED,WELL BEATEN,NOTHING IN BREEDING WORLDE,RATINGS etc changes that
Hugo-Hackenbush
2026 - The Final Fling
By Hugo-Hackenbush on 25 Apr 26 16:04
Irons has the best forum method,dont put a bet up but continue to claim being a long term winner,sorted
2026 - The Final Fling
By Hugo-Hackenbush on 25 Apr 26 16:04
Irons has the best forum method,dont put a bet up but continue to claim being a long term winner,sorted
One of us bets,the other is you,Delbert.
I am happy to prove that I do,unlike you,Bullshatter
I am happy to prove that I do,unlike you,Bullshatter
Rico-Dangleflaps • October 9, 2025 9:30 PM BST
sum1 ask stewy to post his lifetime p&l
sum1 ask stewy to post his lifetime p&l
Just post your bullshat claim from yesterday Delbert,otherwise people just might suspect that you don't bet
Old Park Star wont in another race
By Hugo-Hackenbush on 7 May 26 21:24
Irons has no problem posting a winning bet,but when it comes to posting a last 12mths or lifetime he seems to have a reluctance to do so. Just saying like.
By Hugo-Hackenbush on 7 May 26 21:24
Irons has no problem posting a winning bet,but when it comes to posting a last 12mths or lifetime he seems to have a reluctance to do so. Just saying like.
No amount of your Autistic deflection will work,Delbert.
Post your "Claimed " P&L from yesterday (just to silence the doubters) of F/O Bullshatter.
I can.
Why cant you?
Post your "Claimed " P&L from yesterday (just to silence the doubters) of F/O Bullshatter.
I can.
Why cant you?
This was a serious thread re the future of British horseracing. I will say no more.
Agreed.
Unfortunately the cretin Delbert intervened in an attempt to show how smart he is,as aleways.
The Forum is unanimous on the outrageous travesty with the exception of Leif the Brainless
Unfortunately the cretin Delbert intervened in an attempt to show how smart he is,as aleways.
The Forum is unanimous on the outrageous travesty with the exception of Leif the Brainless
This was a serious thread re the future of British horseracing. I will say no more.
You've mistakenly assumed this is a forum for 'serious' conversation
Ironside is mentally deranged and bored out of his tiny mind.
It joined April last year and is already averaging 1 post every hour, of every day of every week & of every month.
Sad sack appears to have no life outside of this asylum.
I blame his DWP workcoach who in his duty to find indolent neverdowells gainful employment has failed dismally.
The future of the BHA is in the hands of the BHA - BAU
Provision for such a determination made regarding the non-runner decision was in the rule book.
Had the incident occurred in Hong Kong among other jurisdictions the same decision would have been made.
It's out of punter's control, so move on.
Nothing to see here.
You've mistakenly assumed this is a forum for 'serious' conversation
Ironside is mentally deranged and bored out of his tiny mind.
It joined April last year and is already averaging 1 post every hour, of every day of every week & of every month.
Sad sack appears to have no life outside of this asylum.
I blame his DWP workcoach who in his duty to find indolent neverdowells gainful employment has failed dismally.
The future of the BHA is in the hands of the BHA - BAU
Provision for such a determination made regarding the non-runner decision was in the rule book.
Had the incident occurred in Hong Kong among other jurisdictions the same decision would have been made.
It's out of punter's control, so move on.
Nothing to see here.
Come on Leif, you must know by now that every thread gravitates to:-
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- its just that some are quicker to get there. This one had a fair run at around 86 before it reached saturation.
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- its just that some are quicker to get there. This one had a fair run at around 86 before it reached saturation.
So,that will be everybody on the thread disagrees with the BHA's decision but,Leif the Brainless says,its outside our control and lets move on.
That same attitude explains why our Country is in the state it is.
Also,making his usual ludicrous DWP accusations on an anonymous Forum as usual
The decision was an utterly ludicrous affront to the betting public and only the cretin Leif the Brainless knows best
That same attitude explains why our Country is in the state it is.
Also,making his usual ludicrous DWP accusations on an anonymous Forum as usual
The decision was an utterly ludicrous affront to the betting public and only the cretin Leif the Brainless knows best
The stall handler spotted that the hoss had its leg trapped.
He was about to alert the starter but in that split second the stalls were opened.
On another day the race would have been delayed.
On that basis (the horse was identified as being at a disadvantage) the decision to declare the jolly a nonner was the correct decision.
Gie ya head a wobble.
He was about to alert the starter but in that split second the stalls were opened.
On another day the race would have been delayed.
On that basis (the horse was identified as being at a disadvantage) the decision to declare the jolly a nonner was the correct decision.
Gie ya head a wobble.
If you were standing in a bookies, one comes out the stalls slowly and someone starts shouting it had it leg stuck on the frame of the stalls I want my money back.
You'd be thinking f**k me, no wonder nobody comes in these places anymore with complete cnts like that in here.
But alas, he is correct.
You'd be thinking f**k me, no wonder nobody comes in these places anymore with complete cnts like that in here.
But alas, he is correct.
Talking to yourself mate!
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This was a serious thread re the future of British horseracing. I will say no more.
Pair of K hunts, another decent thread soiled.
Pair of K hunts, another decent thread soiled.
The horse's leg was not "trapped",it was placed there by the horse and any disadvantage was caused by itself.
Any sane person would accept that it wasn't a faulty start.
However,Leif the Brainless also posted on the RP Upgrade thread that it was fine.
The other 459 posters who actually use the Site disagreed.
An utter moron who lives to disagree
Any sane person would accept that it wasn't a faulty start.
However,Leif the Brainless also posted on the RP Upgrade thread that it was fine.
The other 459 posters who actually use the Site disagreed.
An utter moron who lives to disagree
This was a serious thread re the future of British horseracing. I will say no more.
Pair of K hunts, another decent thread soiled.
Really? Seems there’s bias here and no one can call out the multiple thread destroyer in case he shadows them.
It’d be nice just the one time if someone stepped in when he starts up and said , “Not again,”
Pair of K hunts, another decent thread soiled.
Really? Seems there’s bias here and no one can call out the multiple thread destroyer in case he shadows them.
It’d be nice just the one time if someone stepped in when he starts up and said , “Not again,”
I’ll tell you all who else didn’t do their job, which despite all the posts no one has mentioned.
The stalls handlers that we hear so much about.
If you load a horse surely you see that it’s got its leg up?
A catalogue of mistakes in the premier race one after another.
British racing is a bit of a joke as I’d said earlier.
The stalls handlers that we hear so much about.
If you load a horse surely you see that it’s got its leg up?
A catalogue of mistakes in the premier race one after another.
British racing is a bit of a joke as I’d said earlier.
Delashay/Uptheirons,
Almost every thread you post on descends into a playground quarrel. The forum is a shadow of its former self anyway, so why not call a truce and not constantly have a pop at each other. Asking to show a post of a bet is pointless, easily edited unless it's a photo and even that can be worked on. As for the other, posting snippets after the event (not necessarily on this thread) doesn't help your credibility.
Good luck to both.
Almost every thread you post on descends into a playground quarrel. The forum is a shadow of its former self anyway, so why not call a truce and not constantly have a pop at each other. Asking to show a post of a bet is pointless, easily edited unless it's a photo and even that can be worked on. As for the other, posting snippets after the event (not necessarily on this thread) doesn't help your credibility.
Good luck to both.
No Andrew don’t include me in that, I post opinions on races, he doesn’t.
Get a back bone.
Get a back bone.
As for the other, posting snippets after the event
What are those?
Any comment from yourself on the stalls handlers NOT doing their job?
What are those?
Any comment from yourself on the stalls handlers NOT doing their job?
The forum is a shadow of its former self
Don’t blame me for that when I’ve tried to generate discussion on races over and over.
Don’t blame me for that when I’ve tried to generate discussion on races over and over.
Andrew-In-Sweden • June 3, 2026 7:46 PM BST
impossible123 03 Jun 26 14:35
56.6kg
9 stone 2 lb is 58.06 kg
That was your contribution to the Epsom Derby thread, trying to belittle a poster that you don’t like and not for the first time.
So get off your moral high ground about how the forum has deteriorated and in future stick to your own thread if you’ve nothing positive to add yourself.
impossible123 03 Jun 26 14:35
56.6kg
9 stone 2 lb is 58.06 kg
That was your contribution to the Epsom Derby thread, trying to belittle a poster that you don’t like and not for the first time.
So get off your moral high ground about how the forum has deteriorated and in future stick to your own thread if you’ve nothing positive to add yourself.
The stall handler did notice, Dela.
He was just getting his hands on the rear gate when they were sent off.
Also, Hector Crouch, said he heard R.Moore shout "no" to the starter a split second before the gates opened.
He was just getting his hands on the rear gate when they were sent off.
Also, Hector Crouch, said he heard R.Moore shout "no" to the starter a split second before the gates opened.
Thanks for clearing that up Brandy, I’d asked others and no one had confirmed these things.
I’m not of the opinion that it should have been declared a non runner, we’ve all backed horses who’ve reared in the stalls or pecked on jumping.
Normally that bad luck is reserved for me it seems at times!
Thompson apologises.
I’m not of the opinion that it should have been declared a non runner, we’ve all backed horses who’ve reared in the stalls or pecked on jumping.
Normally that bad luck is reserved for me it seems at times!
Thompson apologises.
'Delashay', the poster is still terribly aggrieved and offended because I objected to him posting incessant 'lay' bets on a discussion thread for self-interest.
*apologies please carry on your debate.
I’m aware of that Impossible, sadly it seems a few harbour grudges.
Thompson I’d ask , Should this guy be sacked or should they be looking into another non trying fav in the Derby?
I’m aware of that Impossible, sadly it seems a few harbour grudges.
Thompson I’d ask , Should this guy be sacked or should they be looking into another non trying fav in the Derby?
The worst officiating in the Derby since the 1913 Derby.
There is no mention in the BHA rules about jockey tactics.
The Stewards may declare a horse a non-runner where: In a Race started from starting stalls, a horse is denied a fair start, and its chances are materially affected ...
We heard that if Benvenuto Cellini finished first he would have been the winner.
Did his slow start, losing at most two lengths, cause him to lose the race by 26 lengths?
The horse was not denied a fair start by a person (the starter; or a stalls handler) or a failure of the stalls.
If a stalls handler had blocked the horse exiting the stalls then that might be "denied a fair start".
The BHA rules say "may declare a horse a non-runner" not "must declare a horse a non-runner"
The error was two-fold
(1) the horse was not denied a fair start
(2) its chances were not materially affected
There is no mention in the BHA rules about jockey tactics.
The Stewards may declare a horse a non-runner where: In a Race started from starting stalls, a horse is denied a fair start, and its chances are materially affected ...
We heard that if Benvenuto Cellini finished first he would have been the winner.
Did his slow start, losing at most two lengths, cause him to lose the race by 26 lengths?
The horse was not denied a fair start by a person (the starter; or a stalls handler) or a failure of the stalls.
If a stalls handler had blocked the horse exiting the stalls then that might be "denied a fair start".
The BHA rules say "may declare a horse a non-runner" not "must declare a horse a non-runner"
The error was two-fold
(1) the horse was not denied a fair start
(2) its chances were not materially affected
The above couldn’t be made clearer, great post from a guy that knows his onions.
The error was two-fold
(1) the horse was not denied a fair start
(2) its chances were not materially affected
Wrong on both counts IMO
(1) the horse was not denied a fair start
(2) its chances were not materially affected
Wrong on both counts IMO
The horse was declared a NR for one reason..NOT because it was Coolmore owned but purely because the bha are terrified of falling out with the Hong Kong world pool..Royal Ascot next week will be fun and games
What is worrying is the thought that the Chief Executive of the BHA is probably the most competant person there.
leif
Thanks. It is good to have one person supporting the BHA decision.
Thanks. It is good to have one person supporting the BHA decision.
Hong Kong World Pool ...
"I was introduced to a boy in a wheelchair. He was a former jockey. I asked if he's had a fall and it all went quiet.
Later, someone told me that he's won on a horse he wasn't meant to win on. They snipped the back of his tendons. He never rode again."
Walter Swinburn on his time in Hong Kong.
"I was introduced to a boy in a wheelchair. He was a former jockey. I asked if he's had a fall and it all went quiet.
Later, someone told me that he's won on a horse he wasn't meant to win on. They snipped the back of his tendons. He never rode again."
Walter Swinburn on his time in Hong Kong.
Delashay
Any comment from yourself on the stalls handlers NOT doing their job?
No, i wasn't really interested in the Epsom Derby anyway except for a few lays of Item. I rarely post on other threads anyway, occasionally due to time constraints and several are simply a collection of childish bickering anyway as i pointed out. I have a WhatsApp group with quite a few BF posters anyway, some of the better ones and we actually discuss racing without having a pop.
Impossible123
the poster is still terribly aggrieved and offended because I objected to him posting incessant 'lay' bets on a discussion thread for self-interest.
I certanly am not aggrieved, or even remotely offended, in fact i do not give one iota. My reason for posting a reponse to your comments occasionally is the same as others, complete hogwash. As for my lay threads being self-interest, sure they are, i've been posting them since 2018.
Any comment from yourself on the stalls handlers NOT doing their job?
No, i wasn't really interested in the Epsom Derby anyway except for a few lays of Item. I rarely post on other threads anyway, occasionally due to time constraints and several are simply a collection of childish bickering anyway as i pointed out. I have a WhatsApp group with quite a few BF posters anyway, some of the better ones and we actually discuss racing without having a pop.
Impossible123
the poster is still terribly aggrieved and offended because I objected to him posting incessant 'lay' bets on a discussion thread for self-interest.
I certanly am not aggrieved, or even remotely offended, in fact i do not give one iota. My reason for posting a reponse to your comments occasionally is the same as others, complete hogwash. As for my lay threads being self-interest, sure they are, i've been posting them since 2018.
The key point of this horse case is not 'did it have a fair/equal start' - it obviously didn't, but around 30% of all runners have that problem from starting stalls for various reasons/behaviour.
The key points are: Why did this happen (horse behaviour only) and did it stop it running a race with a winning chance (no, it was around midfield during the race, if it stayed on powerful it could have won or placed).
Both of these issues mean there is no way it should be declared a NR. Basically on the 'why' that is even written into their rules. But why have rules if you can just ignore them.
The key points are: Why did this happen (horse behaviour only) and did it stop it running a race with a winning chance (no, it was around midfield during the race, if it stayed on powerful it could have won or placed).
Both of these issues mean there is no way it should be declared a NR. Basically on the 'why' that is even written into their rules. But why have rules if you can just ignore them.
was just unlucky, the stalls handler did notice and was going towards the stall to sort it out, at the same time Moore noticed it and according to Hector Crouch was shouting no, no when he let them go
It could have broken out with a 2 length start on the field and wouldn't have won the race - prob not even placed.
Racing is a complete and utter joke - banging on about 'fair chance' in a stupid case like this, while turning blind eyes to constant criminals and con artists in jockeys and trainers daily in racing...
Between the end of the race and before the "non-runner" decision was announced twenty minutes after the race was there any contact between the BHA/Brant Dunshea/Epsom stewarts and the World Pool?
Does anyone know how much was refunded on BC courtesy of the stewards? Were the lucky sods big hitters? I got nothing as my bets were antepost here. I think this is terribly unfair.
Winners and losers.
You win some, and...you lose some.
Way of the world.
Move on.
You win some, and...you lose some.
Way of the world.
Move on.
I did not win or lose.
I did not bet on the race.
You can tell me to move on but no one is listmning to you.
The BHA / Epsom stewarts made a ridiculous decision.
My guess is the people who pay for racing (the owners and betters) do not want this stupidity to continue.
I did not bet on the race.
You can tell me to move on but no one is listmning to you.
The BHA / Epsom stewarts made a ridiculous decision.
My guess is the people who pay for racing (the owners and betters) do not want this stupidity to continue.
And your accas? Weren’t they settled as winners with him as void for that final leg?
I was a betting shop manager for years.
Groupthink from punters who think everyting in racing is unjust, unfair or crooked.
Groupthink from punters who think everyting in racing is unjust, unfair or crooked.
Groupthink from punters
Not at all the point here - this is gross incompetence or misuse of rules for racing. Bordering on illegality where layers could lose but not win in this financial case. Not just a few punters moaning that their horse got a bad ride, ffs.
Not at all the point here - this is gross incompetence or misuse of rules for racing. Bordering on illegality where layers could lose but not win in this financial case. Not just a few punters moaning that their horse got a bad ride, ffs.
An added article, this time trainer:
https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/william-haggas-doesnt-agree-with-decision-made-to-deem-benvenuto-cellini-a-non-runner-following-the-derby/232560
https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/william-haggas-doesnt-agree-with-decision-made-to-deem-benvenuto-cellini-a-non-runner-following-the-derby/232560
Harry Stewart Moore, the lawyer on The Racing Room podcast explains how they misapplied the rules.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOgrZPKtDDE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOgrZPKtDDE
An ex Betting Shop Manager comparing all forumites with mug punters
I'm sure a case can be made for making the horse a non-runner but the overriding issue is if you start making non-runners of horses who have suffered misfortune by the action of others, it will make a total mockery of the betting industry. Crazy decision.
If the 'others' are jockeys who fail to remove the hood, should the horse be declared a runner?
It should revert back to the original rules, if the horses are in the gates they are runners once the gates open - if they/jock messes it up then that is part of the race.
i backed the fav ante post and ive got no complaints about losing , but it really has put me off ante post, if i had waited to day of the racemarket i would have had a full refund, secondly the odds were better on the day , i would have had guaranteed odds with bookmakers ,so no more backing ante post for me ,
Interesting interview with Simon Nott and Brett today.
Brett said he paid for a pitch in the centre of the course for Oaks and Derby day.
Epsom predicted 8-10,000 people would turn up, free of charge.
On the Friday just over 400 turned up.
He took 23 bets all day.
Horrendous stuff.
Brett said he paid for a pitch in the centre of the course for Oaks and Derby day.
Epsom predicted 8-10,000 people would turn up, free of charge.
On the Friday just over 400 turned up.
He took 23 bets all day.
Horrendous stuff.
Ante post is dead. As you say ellsjohn you back something at 5-2 a week earlier hoping he doesn't fall down a hole and just runs. Goes off at 3s. You don't get any concessions. Best leave all bets until the day.
What do you know Delbert?
You cannot post any bet you have ever had on here.
At the front end of the Market you are likely to get at least the same on the day unless,of course,you are privy to Inside Info
You cannot post any bet you have ever had on here.
At the front end of the Market you are likely to get at least the same on the day unless,of course,you are privy to Inside Info
John as you follow AOB you’re probably best not to back those AP, as you know when he has multiple entries you could be on the wrong one, see it drift and watch the stablemate get pummelled.
As the favs odds were 2/1 since he won the trial at Chester all bets should be refunded AP or not as his odds were consistently the same until the day of the race. With the rain that came it was no surprise to see him drift.
Bookies good will, now don’t make me laugh!
As the favs odds were 2/1 since he won the trial at Chester all bets should be refunded AP or not as his odds were consistently the same until the day of the race. With the rain that came it was no surprise to see him drift.
Bookies good will, now don’t make me laugh!
i was thinking of backing these for r ascot ante post, bow echo around evens, daryz prince of wales 6/4, trawelman 4/1, venertian sun 2/1 and true love 2/1, , bow echo imo will be odds against on the day, daryz will drift if even running, trawelerman looks non runner, venetian sun i reckon will drift and true love already gone out to 4 on here . well see next week 
John True Love is now second Fav for the Commonwealth Cup she’s been cut again today.
Daryz is coming, he hasn’t improved his rating this year and might drift on the back of that and if the going is fast.
I’d hold fire and wait as you say as you’re only talking fractions.
Daryz is coming, he hasn’t improved his rating this year and might drift on the back of that and if the going is fast.
I’d hold fire and wait as you say as you’re only talking fractions.
Trawler will have to defy a 243 day break, I know Gosden’s said that he’s getting on and wants to keep him fresh but he’ll have to start thawing him out soon! 
Brian • June 8, 2026 4:59 PM BST
I'm sure a case can be made for making the horse a non-runner
I haven't seen a credible case made, only clown analysis
I'm sure a case can be made for making the horse a non-runner
I haven't seen a credible case made, only clown analysis
stu • June 8, 2026 1:35 PM BST
The key point of this horse case is not 'did it have a fair/equal start' - it obviously didn't, but around 30% of all runners have that problem from starting stalls for various reasons/behaviour.
The key points are: Why did this happen (horse behaviour only) and did it stop it running a race with a winning chance (no, it was around midfield during the race, if it stayed on powerful it could have won or placed).
the only consideration is was the horse denied a fair start?
of which the answer is no
the horse's own behaviour contributed to not getting a fair start
completely different
The key point of this horse case is not 'did it have a fair/equal start' - it obviously didn't, but around 30% of all runners have that problem from starting stalls for various reasons/behaviour.
The key points are: Why did this happen (horse behaviour only) and did it stop it running a race with a winning chance (no, it was around midfield during the race, if it stayed on powerful it could have won or placed).
the only consideration is was the horse denied a fair start?
of which the answer is no
the horse's own behaviour contributed to not getting a fair start
completely different
so if a horse refuse to start will it be a n/r now
hector crouch on LOS summed it up perfectly imo
the rules are written to suit the BHA to allow them to do what they want when they want
the rules are written to suit the BHA to allow them to do what they want when they want
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so if a horse refuse to start will it be a n/r now
No
so if a horse refuse to start will it be a n/r now
No
what if it refuses to start with its hind leg up on the gate?
BHA doubles down on Derby non-runner in face of growing backlash RP says it all another cycle of pap like a dying government no credibility marginal power after these shenanigans chuckles behind the scenes and disbelief racing needs a clean sweep again.
with access to a phone BOG,extra place,s, etc not sure how much business on course bookies expected to do with people only attracted to come by there been a
fairground
pop concert
Ibiza,etc vibes
hardly any view of the actual races
on the Fri apparently what little bets were taken were from 2 large families present, if they,d had a good day the bookies were fooked anyway, any punters could do all their business online and spend their time with their family enjoying the facilities that attracted them to go in 1st place, to a punter the cheapest tkts in the stands would be miniscule in comparison to travel,eating,drinking costs for the day
fairground
pop concert
Ibiza,etc vibes
hardly any view of the actual races
on the Fri apparently what little bets were taken were from 2 large families present, if they,d had a good day the bookies were fooked anyway, any punters could do all their business online and spend their time with their family enjoying the facilities that attracted them to go in 1st place, to a punter the cheapest tkts in the stands would be miniscule in comparison to travel,eating,drinking costs for the day
After Yarmouth escapades yesterday surely is P45 time that was even worse than the derby.
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