how would he have done if he hadn’t inherited all the coolmore breeding ? has he never won a race with a horse that’s not an absolute blue-blood? When’s the last time he managed to get one of those blue-bloods through a season unbeaten ?
after banging on about Albert Einstein he’s now onto this derby favourite comparing to galileo
yep stallion promotion only works if people think oh my god this thing is quicker than Galileo - instead they surely think more bs from aiden O’Brien
Unless you think the ten-bob punters on here can see through it but people in the industry can’t
yep stallion promotion only works if people think oh my god this thing is quicker than Galileo - instead they surely think more bs from aiden O’BrienUnless you think the ten-bob punters on here can see through it but people in the industry can’t
In other industries if an entity is dominating or too dominant tha industry watchdog will take action to ensure a fairer level-playing field for other participants. However, horseracing is different. The bookies (also dominant) and its gravy-trainers ie horseracing journos and pundits will be batting for them too.
In other industries if an entity is dominating or too dominant tha industry watchdog will take action to ensure a fairer level-playing field for other participants. However, horseracing is different. The bookies (also dominant) and its gravy-trainers
He gives it large about the best horses taking on each other, like last year about Delacroix vs Ombudsman.
That seems to happen later in the season, early season it’s all fun and games running multiples.
When you’re that dominant you shouldn’t have to run more than one, just bring your Delacroix and let it race.
No smoke, no mirrors.
He gives it large about the best horses taking on each other, like last year about Delacroix vs Ombudsman.That seems to happen later in the season, early season it’s all fun and games running multiples. When you’re that dominant you shouldn’t h
Well he’s in a fantasy world or was many times over. Let’s see if River ever runs over a fking mile like he says it has the pace to?
By then Albert might get a mile himself ans the Lion in Winter a mile and a half!
Well he’s in a fantasy world or was many times over. Let’s see if River ever runs over a fking mile like he says it has the pace to? By then Albert might get a mile himself ans the Lion in Winter a mile and a half!
He’s different from the likes of Stoute, he’d take the one horse and go race.
Workforce, Derby and Arc.
He’s not in canisters class and that’s a word he loves!
He’s different from the likes of Stoute, he’d take the one horse and go race. Workforce, Derby and Arc. He’s not in canisters class and that’s a word he loves!
Ok are there not other group races around the world that he could target with these blue bloods?
And actually run them at their own and correct level?
There’s rich races to be won in Germany. No runner in the recent Guineas, don’t think he has one in the upcoming 1000.
Had six entered in the Prix Du Jockey Club but hasn’t ONE entry in the Group 2 PRIX EUGENE ADAM 28th June.
Hhhhmmm
Ok are there not other group races around the world that he could target with these blue bloods? And actually run them at their own and correct level? There’s rich races to be won in Germany. No runner in the recent Guineas, don’t think he has on
Aidan O'Brien compares Derby favourite and 'incredible mover' Benvenuto Cellini to the legendary Galileo
When you make a statement such as this bring the one. It’s as simple as.
Aidan O'Brien compares Derby favourite and 'incredible mover' Benvenuto Cellini to the legendary GalileoWhen you make a statement such as this bring the one. It’s as simple as.
Absolutely ridiculous comment from a top trainer. I'd like to see him swap stable with another in Ireland or one in the UK. Ben's won nothing significant (yet) even if he wins at Epsom next month.
I think Galileo was a better stallion than a racehorse. Dancing Brave, Bering, Slip Anchor, El Gran Senor and High Chaparral were superior.
Btw I do not think Con River would be at Epsom even if an unforeseen event conspires it from taking part in the French Derby this sunday eg refuses to load; falls out of the stall; pulls up after 3f; etc. The probable prevailing softish / soft ground would place a premium on a horse's stamina.
Absolutely ridiculous comment from a top trainer. I'd like to see him swap stable with another in Ireland or one in the UK. Ben's won nothing significant (yet) even if he wins at Epsom next month. I think Galileo was a better stallion than a racehors
Obviously you can’t think about anything but name calling?
Maybe I’m a purist and am aware of the history of the sport?
Races like the 2000 Guineas and the Derby came about by The Duke of York saying to Lord Derby bring your horse to Epsom or Newmarket and we’ll see who is or who has the best horse.
When you make the statement that he has then do just that, put your reputation on just the one.
We know though that they run horses over incorrect trips and at levels that they know from homework that they’re not up to.
I’ll let you ask yourself why that is?!
Obviously you can’t think about anything but name calling?Maybe I’m a purist and am aware of the history of the sport? Races like the 2000 Guineas and the Derby came about by The Duke of York saying to Lord Derby bring your horse to Epsom or Newm
Racing might actually be better and more liked by the public if the above actually happened?
It takes only two prize fighters to make and sell a fight.
Winner takes all.
Racing might actually be better and more liked by the public if the above actually happened?It takes only two prize fighters to make and sell a fight. Winner takes all.
has any of his horses lived up to the hype - I can’t remember if he was hyping them back in the days of high chaparral and Galileo
Rip van winkle city of Troy star spangled banner - best we’ve seen / we’ve never seen anything like it / we’ve never seen numbers like it etc etc blah blah - even horses that struggled to win a pattern race like Seville were hyped-up as having a touch of class
serpentine even if his derby win was a fluke he then went on to run a decent 4th in France so wasn’t a complete donkey - his form then completely fell off a cliff and there’s been a few of them - I know “they are not machines†but doesn’t seem to happen as much with other trainers
Imagine he packed away the superlatives and then 3 or 4 years down the line he hyped one of his horses some people might take a blind bit of notice
has any of his horses lived up to the hype - I can’t remember if he was hyping them back in the days of high chaparral and GalileoRip van winkle city of Troy star spangled banner - best we’ve seen / we’ve never seen anything like it / we’ve n
best horses he’s had - high chaparral and Galileo imo
Has he had a horse that’s took on all comers and dominated a generation and older horses like sea the stars did - not that I can think of right now - lots of very good horses but not many exceptional that people are talking about decades later
some do make good stallions tho
best horses he’s had - high chaparral and Galileo imoHas he had a horse that’s took on all comers and dominated a generation and older horses like sea the stars did - not that I can think of right now - lots of very good horses but not many excep
In the 34 years I've watched racing, the flat horse that impressed me the most was not trained by Aidan O'brien. It was Sea the Stars. Although his rating was never as high as Frankel's, he managed to win the Guineas, Derby, and Arc de Triomphe in his 3 year old year, alongside 3 other group ones. More versatile in terms of trip, and I've never seen a horse pull as hard as he did in the Derby, and still win. He just seemed to love the competitive nature of racing and had an exceptional will to win.
In the 34 years I've watched racing, the flat horse that impressed me the most was not trained by Aidan O'brien. It was Sea the Stars.Although his rating was never as high as Frankel's, he managed to win the Guineas, Derby, and Arc de Triomphe in his
ill name you an underated horse by the public , which imo was better than sea the stars , won a guineas first time out, then destroyed the derby field , won a king george after winning an eclipse in probably the worst going ever for that race , beating indian skimmer and warning who were very top class horses , Nashwan
ill name you an underated horse by the public , which imo was better than sea the stars , won a guineas first time out, then destroyed the derby field , won a king george after winning an eclipse in probably the worst going ever for that race , beati
Delashay • May 29, 2026 6:56 PM BST Racing might actually be better and more liked by the public if the above actually happened?
It takes only two prize fighters to make and sell a fight.
Winner takes all.
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So they’ve got Frank Warren a boxing promoter on talking about the Derby, but no mention of trainers only being allowed to enter one runner.
Up the prize money, let the best horse win.
Delashay • May 29, 2026 6:56 PM BSTRacing might actually be better and more liked by the public if the above actually happened?It takes only two prize fighters to make and sell a fight.Winner takes all.- - - - - - - So they’ve got Frank Warren a
2 are entered to run tomorrow, they should have been taken out with Montreal at the last decs stage.
We have the same mass entries with Cheltenham.
You’re not going to attract people to racing and encourage them to bet when 3rd strings win not ridden by the stable jockey.
Currently AOB has 10 entered 2 are entered to run tomorrow, they should have been taken out with Montreal at the last decs stage. We have the same mass entries with Cheltenham. You’re not going to attract people to racing and encourage them to bet
My two very best horses are Dancing Brave and Frankel. The former was terribly unlucky not to win at Epsom. There's only one Frankel and Sir Cecil. A well-suited partnership. He beat a very strong field including Bering (the best in France) and Sharastani (Derby winner) in The Arc.; 3rd best could be Sea The Stars.
I cannot remember an Epsom Derby winner from Coolmore running in The Arc in the same year.
My two very best horses are Dancing Brave and Frankel. The former was terribly unlucky not to win at Epsom. There's only one Frankel and Sir Cecil. A well-suited partnership. He beat a very strong field including Bering (the best in France) and Shara
AOB has 5 of the 12 left in the Oaks, including Precise, who I cannot see turning up. I'm assuming she's been left in in case anything goes wrong with Amelia beforehand. Even then Precise is out of a sprinter and may well struggle to get 10f let alone 12F, especially if there is some cut in the ground.
Surely the Coronation Stakes 2 weeks later must be her next target? If AOB runs her in the Oaks and Coronation, it would mean three group 1s in 26 days. And why take on Amelia anyway, who will stay the 12F easily?
AOB has 5 of the 12 left in the Oaks, including Precise, who I cannot see turning up. I'm assuming she's been left in in case anything goes wrong with Amelia beforehand. Even then Precise is out of a sprinter and may well struggle to get 10f let alon
'billie' has Precise at 2/1f. I think she'll show. She finished strong in the Irish 1000G. She won the Fillies Mile at Newmarket. And, she's class.
I think Legacy Link is no pushover. I believe she's been touted / compared to Enable; Enable (6/1) beat Rhododendron (8/11) who was very strongly fancied by connections at Epsom.
'billie' has Precise at 2/1f. I think she'll show. She finished strong in the Irish 1000G. She won the Fillies Mile at Newmarket. And, she's class. I think Legacy Link is no pushover. I believe she's been touted / compared to Enable; Enable (6/1) bea
not sure if hes had many others but high chapparal ran 3rd in the arc the same year he won the derby - he also ‘failed’ in the following years arc after which o’brien said he had a small issue with his shoulder meaning he couldnt run to his best right-handed - to be fair he pretty much won all his other races - great horse - i thought he was a certainty in that second arc
comparing horses from different generations is difficult - im a dancing brave fan like many but a line through trypitch his performances might not be so amazing as while he always comfortably beat tryptich she was never that far away and despite being a top class filly/mare she was well beaten lots of times by other horses eg oh so sharp
el gran senor was an exceptional miler as the horses he beat over a mile or shorter were unbeatble by anyone else - chief singer lear fan rousillon (breeders cup accepted) - rousillon dominating the following years mile division after being a relative also-ran in 1984
not sure if hes had many others but high chapparal ran 3rd in the arc the same year he won the derby - he also ‘failed’ in the following years arc after which o’brien said he had a small issue with his shoulder meaning he couldnt run to his bes
Three of his first four winners of the Derby ran in the Arc.
High Chaparal, Camelot and Ruler Of The World.
Since then their targets have definitely changed.
Three of his first four winners of the Derby ran in the Arc.High Chaparal, Camelot and Ruler Of The World.Since then their targets have definitely changed.
Mayson.right.Would Lester Piggott have won the Epsom Derby 9 times if he wouldn't have been on the best horse for " different" trainers. Would Pep Guardiola have won all those trophies if he would have been manager of Burnley. the answer is, very very good exceptional on what they "CAN DO".
Mayson.right.Would Lester Piggott have won the Epsom Derby 9 times if he wouldn't have been on the best horse for " different" trainers. Would Pep Guardiola have won all those trophies if he would have been manager of Burnley.the answer is, very
I never said he doesn’t train a lot of winners in fact quite the opposite
He trains the derby winner nearly every year and wins all the Irish classics and sometimes the French classics too - I never questioned any of that
I never said he doesn’t train a lot of winners in fact quite the oppositeHe trains the derby winner nearly every year and wins all the Irish classics and sometimes the French classics too - I never questioned any of that