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Report jinxy May 28, 2026 6:29 PM BST
Zero chance of keeping the race !
Report kjansch May 28, 2026 6:30 PM BST
over 20 traded at 1000 on the second now 1.5
Report scoobytoo May 28, 2026 6:31 PM BST
loses more than it gets beat and takes 3rd out-surely goes
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 6:31 PM BST
badly hampered the fast closing 2nd & knock on effect forced the other 1 out at the wing

...most countries this would go
Report slickster May 28, 2026 6:31 PM BST
Dangerous riding. Win at ALL costs from them. He can't get away with this surely. Little pipsqueak and daddy need jailing.
Report Cider May 28, 2026 6:35 PM BST
reversal looks a bit short to me
Report uptheirons May 28, 2026 6:35 PM BST
Should go but its the Wild West over there
Report Crawford May 28, 2026 6:37 PM BST
Quality race-riding (nap).
Report Crawford May 28, 2026 6:42 PM BST
First-degree Byrnes....
Report uptheirons May 28, 2026 6:43 PM BST
A truly rancid operation
Report jamee1 May 28, 2026 6:45 PM BST
5.0 to stand near the end.
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 6:45 PM BST
taking far too long this
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 6:45 PM BST
5 mins to next race ffs
Report jamee1 May 28, 2026 6:46 PM BST
£22 of 1000 traded are sweating this one out. Someone smashing the max button without watching the race?

160            £23.60       
180            £0.02       
200            £0.02       
240            £0.02       
300            £0.16       
330            £0.08       
350            £0.16       
380            £8.02       
390            £0.02       
400            £0.50       
480            £0.04       
500            £0.10       
540            £0.22       
600            £0.34       
690            £0.02       
700            £0.16       
800            £0.06       
900            £0.06       
950            £0.40       
1000            £22.49
Report uptheirons May 28, 2026 6:46 PM BST
The Wild West is always a concern,especially with that Rodent involved.
A five minute decision to be chucked,as it would over here
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 6:47 PM BST
prob 1000 chance when marian jumps last well clear
Report scoobytoo May 28, 2026 6:48 PM BST
how much was bet on the FTP
Report jamee1 May 28, 2026 6:49 PM BST
1.02            £4,223.45       
1.03            £1,847.72       
1.04            £621.90       
1.05            £2,142.54       
1.06            £1,524.48       
1.07            £849.24       
1.08            £421.45       
1.09            £1,120.01       
1.1            £1,045.08
Report freddiewilliams May 28, 2026 6:49 PM BST
4.6 to 2.3 in ten minutes before off
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk May 28, 2026 6:49 PM BST
The horse who ran out at final hurdle would probably have won. What a game.
Report begggarsbelief May 28, 2026 6:49 PM BST
wonder give the game up if you think it was a 1000 shot at the last
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk May 28, 2026 6:49 PM BST
or was it 2nd last
Report jamee1 May 28, 2026 6:49 PM BST
The 1.01 smasher watched the race. The 1000 money-layer didn't.
Report freddiewilliams May 28, 2026 6:51 PM BST
How are they going down to next race.and no decision
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 6:51 PM BST
was about 7l clear jumping the last full of running
2nd makes up 6l on run in
Report jamee1 May 28, 2026 6:52 PM BST
amended
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 6:53 PM BST
between the last 2 its going away from the 2nd
Report jamee1 May 28, 2026 6:53 PM BST
Marian Avenue FPTP has been disqualified completely.
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 6:53 PM BST

May 28, 2026 -- 6:52PM, jamee1 wrote:


amended


correct call

Report freddiewilliams May 28, 2026 6:53 PM BST
Phew
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk May 28, 2026 6:53 PM BST
Jesus someone has lost a lot of money.
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 6:53 PM BST

May 28, 2026 -- 6:53PM, jamee1 wrote:


Marian Avenue FPTP has been disqualified completely.


dangerous riding called?

Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 6:54 PM BST
placed 2nd according to RTV
Report uptheirons May 28, 2026 6:54 PM BST
Careless more likely,wonders
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk May 28, 2026 6:55 PM BST
Jamee is right. Totall disq. Fall out gunna be big
Report Cider May 28, 2026 6:55 PM BST
chucked out completely Cool
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 6:55 PM BST
now RTV concur with you jamee

off the board
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 6:55 PM BST
dangerous riding...1st for a long long time
Report Cider May 28, 2026 6:56 PM BST
Young Philip will need to be sleeping with one eye open for a while
Report uptheirons May 28, 2026 6:57 PM BST
A bog average jockey who rides for one reason
Report Hushwing. May 28, 2026 6:57 PM BST
does total disqualification change their first past post bets then?
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk May 28, 2026 6:59 PM BST
When last time a winner placed last in Uk/Britain?
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 7:01 PM BST
for dangerous riding I can't think of any called in last few years
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk May 28, 2026 7:09 PM BST
Think the Irish stewards finally had enough of the filth.
The jumping off a few months back made them sit up and look closely at father/son
Report jinxy May 28, 2026 7:14 PM BST

May 28, 2026 -- 6:57PM, uptheirons wrote:


A bog average jockey who rides for one reason


Like so many others in racing today !

Report barstool May 28, 2026 7:14 PM BST
He made that horse look like a dodgy greyhound on the run to the last.
Report Crawford May 28, 2026 7:27 PM BST
The equine sport version of a "nepo-baby".
Report Busyfool May 28, 2026 8:06 PM BST
doesnt have to be dangerous riding

in all other juridictions if you impede another runner you are placed behind it and as the thing was forced out last place was inevitable, or should have been
Report Happy Jack May 28, 2026 8:32 PM BST
The BHA definition of dangerous riding is as follows:

Rider intentionally makes contact with another horse and/or rider resulting in serious interference.

Rider intentionally interferes with another horse and/or rider resulting in serious interference.

Rider causes serious interference as a result of steering a course or carrying out a manoeuvre when it should have been obvious to the rider that interference would result.

Rider intentionally pushes another horse and/or rider off course, including but not limited to through or around the wing of an obstacle, or through or outside the running rail


The final point (what happened in today's case?) is considered to be the most serious, with a minimum penalty of 28 days suspension and/or referral to the disciplinary panel.
Report jamee1 May 28, 2026 8:45 PM BST

May 28, 2026 -- 8:06PM, Busyfool wrote:


doesnt have to be dangerous ridingin all other juridictions if you impede another runner you are placed behind it and as the thing was forced out last place was inevitable, or should have been


I thought this too. Rather than dangerous riding, he might have been placed behind the horse that he impeded, ie Friar Hogan who was carried out.

Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 9:34 PM BST
horse DQ & he's got 21 days plus forfeited fee...1st offence of dangerous riding under rule 214

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https://www.ihrb.ie/getattachment/62f71064-676b-4ebe-9260-78a7b2db2256/PenaltyGuidelines-2-2.pdf
Report wondersobright May 28, 2026 9:34 PM BST
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https://www.racingpost.com/news/reports/charles-and-philip-byrnes-winner-disqualified-after-badly-impeding-main-rival-and-forcing-another-to-be-carried-out-agsGg9U6EYiO/
Report Busyfool May 28, 2026 9:47 PM BST
stewards playing to the gallery here but they have got it right, and more often than british stewards recently although things have shifted a bit but still not enough

if he had no history its doubtful this would be the outcome, correct though it is

problem with these 2 is you believe the worst all the time, even if its just accident or incompetence
Report jamee1 May 28, 2026 10:17 PM BST
The Raceday Stewards enquired into possible interference approaching the second last hurdle involving Qaasid, ridden by D.E. Mullins, placed second, Marian Avenue, ridden by P. Byrnes, placed first and Friar Hogan, ridden by S.F. O'Keeffe, carried out, where it appeared that interference occurred. Evidence was heard from the riders concerned. D.E. Mullins stated that he maintained his line wide off the bend and was deliberately pushed off his line by Marian Avenue and had to take violent action to get back on track to jump the second last hurdle. He further stated that he felt this incident had cost him the winning of the race. P. Byrnes stated that his mount cocked his jaw coming down to the second last hurdle, tried to run out and that he had two hands on the reins trying to keep his mount straight. S.F. O'Keeffe stated that he maintained his outside line throughout the race when he received interference from the inside and was carried out. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Raceday Stewards were of the opinion that P. Byrnes was in breach of Rule 214.1.(b) in that he had ridden dangerously and as a consequence they disqualified Marian Avenue from first place. Result now reads.

First: Qaasid
Second: Hob's Angel
Third: Granlahan
Fourth: Go Avel
Fifth: Celtic Crossing

Furthermore having considered his clean record under Rule 214, the Raceday Stewards suspended P. Byrnes for 21 racedays and ordered that he forfeit his riding fee. In arriving in their decision, the Raceday Stewards were satisfied that P. Byrnes failed to correct his mount at a point in the race that was in close proximity to the hurdle and as such rode in a way which was far below that of a competent and careful Rider, and where it would be obvious to such a competent and careful Rider that riding in that way was likely to endanger the safety of another Horse or Rider.
Report slickster May 28, 2026 10:26 PM BST
Let's not forget the barrow loads of cash for the horse. It was win at any cost. Even endangering the lives of 2 fellow jockeys and horses. They won't let anything or anybody get in their way of landing a gamble. Disgusting dangerous riding. What's next? Do we have to wait before he seriously injures or kills someone. Should be banned forever.
Report uptheirons May 28, 2026 10:29 PM BST
Slightly over the top Dickster but correct about the Byrnes set up
Report slickster May 28, 2026 10:33 PM BST
I like to close the stable door BEFORE the horse bolts bubbles. He literally could have killed either one jockey or horse there. How they're still infesting the game disgusts me.
Report uptheirons May 28, 2026 10:37 PM BST
Prior to the Racing Channels,jockeys were regularly ridden into the wings.
Times change
Report TameTheTiger May 28, 2026 10:38 PM BST
to have been found guilty of "deliberate dangerous riding" requires a much stiffer penalty than a 3 week holiday. Would you like to be upsides Byrnes approaching the last in 3 weeks time ?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 28, 2026 11:20 PM BST
strange outcome imo...no way in a million years was it deliberately steered left.

it waandered left.
Report formoftheace May 29, 2026 9:56 AM BST
Non of them are fit for purpose especially the UK mob,some ‘ pullers ‘ were allowed back after ‘ stinging’ the paying fodder….
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 29, 2026 10:01 AM BST
cant throw book at anyone unless they sure it will stick and authorities dont want the public seeing racing scandals regularly.
Report formoftheace May 29, 2026 10:15 AM BST
All lovely people according to media folks,especially Sky Sports racing.

“ a lovely lad “……..” one day he’ll be champion “….

Vomit.
Report spyker May 29, 2026 10:16 AM BST
Cider 28 May 26 18:35 Joined: 29 Aug 02 | Topic/replies: 68,874 | Blogger: Cider's blog
reversal looks a bit short to me


Cider 28 May 26 18:55 Joined: 29 Aug 02 | Topic/replies: 68,874 | Blogger: Cider's blog
chucked out completely Cool


Come to Betfair where we all win even when we  are wrong and lose.
Report kingofthebop May 29, 2026 10:22 AM BST
how many jockeys in the race backed the disqualified winner?
Report Cider May 29, 2026 10:25 AM BST

May 29, 2026 -- 10:16AM, spyker wrote:


Cider 28 May 26 18:35 Joined: 29 Aug 02 | Topic/replies: 68,874 | Blogger: Cider's blogreversal looks a bit short to meCider 28 May 26 18:55 Joined: 29 Aug 02 | Topic/replies: 68,874 | Blogger: Cider's blogchucked out completely CoolCome to Betfair where we all win even when we

Report Cider May 29, 2026 10:26 AM BST
I lost my bet (odds based)

Happy with the outcome (sport/fairness based)

go figure
Report Cider May 29, 2026 10:28 AM BST
It's actually not that confusing, since I started the thread, pretty obvious what I thought / wanted ! The betting was a different matter, 4s on was very tight for a very rare DQ. But it was indeed, a rare DQ.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 29, 2026 2:28 PM BST
it caused a horse to run out obv which cost it a place..no way imo was it deliberate..but a disq was almost certain..no was was it dangerous..(ie deliberate..imo)
Report Cider May 29, 2026 2:39 PM BST
Jacob, the wettest pundit of the lot, who wouldn't usually say anything negative about his former colleagues even said he did it deliberately. As well as the jockey he tried to shove off the course in the actual race.
Report dave1357 May 29, 2026 2:54 PM BST
Cider • May 29, 2026 10:28 AM BST
4s on was very tight for a very rare DQ. But it was indeed, a rare DQ.


Don't think it had to be dq'd to lose the race. It clearly caused a lot of interference to the second, who made up so much ground that it wasn't unreasonable to conclude that it would have won, but for the interference. So fptp could have been placed second.
Report Cider May 29, 2026 2:55 PM BST
It didn't need to, that was my analysis, with over 1 length winning distance.
Report Busyfool May 29, 2026 2:57 PM BST
it couldnt have been second as it caused another to run out so dq was the only option
Report wondersobright May 29, 2026 2:59 PM BST
assuming 1/4 chucked out correct, what price would you have been placed 2nd or placed last?

2/5 & 10/1?
Report Cider May 29, 2026 3:18 PM BST
It hinged on whether it was deemed accidental or not, was my interpretation. Which, as happened when he jumped off, is an easier call for stewards and the suits. For a demotion I felt they would need to have deemed it to be more than the usual 'allowed the horse to drift'. In they went for incompetent riding (easily arguable for the jumping off as it happens!). Personally I have a decent ability to detach emotion from betting. Which is why, for example, I was able to put a shed load of money on labour to win the 24 GE. I wanted it to be kicked out but I didn't feel it was an 80% chance, given the winning distance and how far out the incident occurred.
Report wondersobright May 29, 2026 3:22 PM BST
if up to me...
is a merited DQ
would have been placed 2nd
top end improper riding
Report wondersobright May 29, 2026 3:23 PM BST
sandown 1 last year there was an attempt to put a jockey through a rail to block a challenge imo
Report wondersobright May 29, 2026 3:23 PM BST
last night wasn't near that albeit was bad
Report wondersobright May 29, 2026 3:25 PM BST
as has already been said prob who it is a factor in what called I don't disapprove
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 29, 2026 3:27 PM BST
if up to me...
is a merited DQ
would have been placed 2nd
Report wondersobright May 29, 2026 3:28 PM BST
good call reeko
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 29, 2026 3:29 PM BST
tar
Report Cider May 29, 2026 3:29 PM BST
Murphy, yes.

Yesterday was a little more complex as no rail and several riders were riding as wide as they could anyway, seeking better going. You often see them short of room in those circumstances, not as extreme as yesterday. Nit too dissimilar to when the Mullins lot had their very public fracas.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 29, 2026 3:31 PM BST
when ewe watch the hd on..both hands were on the horses neck..the left arm wasnt tugging to make it go left..it went 2-3yds left in a matter of yards..how the fck is that improper riding ffs.
Report wondersobright May 29, 2026 3:40 PM BST
6:26:38 on RTV his left shoulder comes out, isn't in that position to correct his horse from hanging
Report uptheirons May 29, 2026 3:48 PM BST
You would be hard pressed to "prove" that though.
Nevertheless,disqualification was entirely justified
Report wondersobright May 29, 2026 3:48 PM BST
improper riding is a lower threshold uti
Report Busyfool May 29, 2026 3:49 PM BST
not the point. doesnt matter if jokey rides race of the year. proper or improper, whip in wrong hand or up its bum its irrelevant

if you cause another to lose all chance its a dq
Report dave1357 May 29, 2026 3:50 PM BST
Busyfool • May 29, 2026 2:57 PM BST
it couldnt have been second as it caused another to run out so dq was the only option


not sure about that - as often happens with gross interference, the other affected horse was too far back to "say it would have won".

The Irish rule:

By careless or improper riding or by accident in any part of a
Race the Horse shall, on an objection under Rule 262 (iv)
which under Rule 264 includes a Stewards Enquiry, be
placed behind the Horse or Horses with which it has
interfered if the Raceday Stewards are satisfied that the
interference improved its placing in relation to the Horse or
Horses with which it interfered. If they are not so satisfied
they shall overrule the objection and order that the placings
shall remain unaltered.


The stewards under this rule just needed to be "satisfied", in this case, that the fast finishing second would have won but for the interference, which doesn't seem unreasonable at all.
Report uptheirons May 29, 2026 3:51 PM BST
I was relieved not to do my money as I am always wary when there is a wholesale gable on the winner over there.
The Byrnes are rancid to the core.
Report dave1357 May 29, 2026 3:52 PM BST
another bit from irish rules

The Rider being overtaken on the inside is entitled to hold their line
to the inside of the next obstacle, doll or section of rail but they
must not move their Horse across in an attempt to interfere with
the overtaking Horse. Interference caused in this manner will be
deemed a breach of this Rule and may be considered intentional
interference
Report formoftheace May 29, 2026 4:04 PM BST
Wholesale gable ? WTF……!
Report uptheirons May 29, 2026 4:14 PM BST
3/1 to 11/8,cretin.
Go back to your bullshatting thread,beteditorLaugh
Report Busyfool May 29, 2026 5:04 PM BST
maybe they had the house on it  Tongue Out

another one of my posts deleted fro no reason. if i ever find out who it is i will be consuming some porridge
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 29, 2026 6:28 PM BST
consuming better than stirring.
Report uptheirons May 29, 2026 6:33 PM BST
Perhaps you are a racist,BusyLaugh
Report Busyfool May 29, 2026 6:43 PM BST
not in your league itu

sum fings cannot be said. truth is no defence

islam
race
putin
socialism all get the chop from the censor. hes on sum power-trip
Report uptheirons May 29, 2026 6:48 PM BST
I am a founder member according to Leif the BrainlessLaugh
Report Cider May 29, 2026 7:41 PM BST
Nearly got in bovver again in Tramore Grin
Report Cider May 29, 2026 7:43 PM BST
Good old Kev on defensive duties
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