True Love 1.15

I couldn’t have it tbh….as predicted yesterday tbf…

Oh dear! Another kicking for punters. A reversal of Newmarket form.

your a goldmine behind over the years dave tbf...ewe cudnt have a lot of things that went awry.

Winner took a few strides to get going after he pulled it wide.  Once it did it was devastating. That won't be losing again this season.

I backed the winner purely because she was given an easy enough time of it at Newmarket. Wayne Lordan sounded like someone who couldn't believe his luck that he was on her as O'Brien had made it clear how much she had improved since Newmarket.

yet ryan decides to switch.

Can the after timer cops come and arrest that man!

at least he bets..

I bet he takes it on the chin when he loses unlike some

Find it baffling that theyre saying True Love didnt stay yet at Newmarket looked like a horse who would easily stay further.

you take it on the chin at the glory hole...take your own kitchen roll.

Anyone wonder why the field split in that race? It’s nice when you land it but not for others.

No one call me an after timer again! Because to do that you need to have some consistency!

Come on over to another thread, you’ve ran from two tids

As said I didn’t bet so no bitterness for anyone on the winner. My remark about aftertimers was tongue in cheek.

I’ll ask you all to consider this, was the race ran to suit the winner?

With the second and 3rd both making the running?

From the post :


Precise, twice a winner at the highest level last season, had to overcome adversity after stumbling from the stalls and suffering a slow start. In contrast, True Love was swiftly into stride, taking the box seat behind leader Abashiri.

The runners split into two distinct groups in the straight, with True Love looking in command along the far side rail, and Precise towards the rear of the group racing more towards the centre of the track.

Was there a quicker strip up the center?

After the first Derby Trial at Leopardstown AOB was keen to point out that Bonnard had raced inside on the slowest strip.

We all know that races can be run to suit to win or lose.

The sectionals will show it, well done to those who landed it and didn’t follow Moore blind.

My question is, does Ryan Moore have any idea about the horses he is riding, jumped off True Love in the 1,000, then jumps off the horse he rode in that race, just gives the impression he’s a clueless clown

He’s told what to ride, he’s not clueless as they listen to his feedback, he’s happy he’ll win other Group 1’s

I always felt that Murtagh went because he wasn’t willing to play this same game with Joey.

Having a number one stable jockey is great for having one runner in the market at much shorter odds.

But in reality you see they like to keep all riders happy and at times dish them out winners throughout the season.

Moore also saying True Love didn't stay. The English Guineas she won must have been an odd race.

I’m sure that you know that the Curragh is more stamina testing than Newmarket, compare how she was ridden in both races and it’s no surprise.

Yesterday I looked at the distances that Spicy Marg has been beaten last twice and I came to the same conclusion.

Delbert,the master of aftertimers.
What a pity you didn't back your aftertime opinion pre race

MJK • May 24, 2026 4:39 PM BST
I backed the winner purely because she was given an easy enough time of it at Newmarket. Wayne Lordan sounded like someone who couldn't believe his luck that he was on her as O'Brien had made it clear how much she had improved since Newmarket.

The race was @ 4:30  at least be fair with your put downs. I know it was a bad day but hey!

P.s. I’m sure backers of True Love didn’t expect her to be a pacemaker or run on poached ground!

MJK,takes over on the aftertimes,Delbert

Fair play and glad you never curled up and came back firing some more fcks!

You were not alone in being wary of Coolmore,Delbert.
One runner and I take a view if possible

Too right it had turn over written all over it but 4’s weren’t a carrot that tempted me!

Wayne Lordan interviewed straight after the race on RTE so I repeated what he said. For those who tried to be clever but failed miserably.

MJK • May 24, 2026 8:55 PM BST
”Wayne Lordan interviewed straight after the race on RTE”


Where’s the quote that you’re referring too?

He said O'Brien told him how much the horse had improved since Newmarket. His whole demeanor was one of someone who was surprised and delighted he was on the horse instead of the other one.

MJK • May 24, 2026 4:53 PM BST
Find it baffling that theyre saying True Love didnt stay yet at Newmarket

MJK • May 24, 2026 6:20 PM BST
”Moore also saying True Love didn't stay”


Delashay • May 24, 2026 7:29 PM BST
I’m sure that you know that the Curragh is more stamina testing than Newmarket, compare how she was ridden in both races and it’s no surprise.

You mustn’t have the foggiest what I was on about then

Ask a question get an answer you don’t want or understand then come back making snide remarks!

I would not believe Coolmore if they said it was Sunday today

I dont care tbh. You have this notion that you have to go through every post either having a go at people or licking their arses. Leave me out of it.

Nor would I the first stage of Jockey Club decs are tomorrow and look at the Derby Market today. It’s not hard to say he’s going here, that’s going there.

The race is a week away and it can’t be said where a runner is going!

The media are disgraceful for reporting his tweets.

Delbert is an Autistic person and as such,he must always be right.
BTW,he has never had a bet on BF despite his endless reams of C&P

No one has a go at people, it’s called debate so grow up and I certainly don’t kiss ass to anyone!

Also if I have something to say I don’t leave it open ended like you.

”so I repeated what he said. For those who tried to be clever but failed miserably”.

It’s called discussion not having a go at people.

I don’t ever kiss anyone’s

The "Know-It-All" / Ego-Driven: They may possess an over-inflated sense of importance and believe their perspective is the only correct one. They demand automatic obedience or agreement to inflate their own ego.

And if I have something to say to anyone I say it.

I certainly don’t leave it open like this

”so I repeated what he said. For those who tried to be clever but failed miserably”.

Express yourself fully it might make you feel better!

Nice cut and paste

All because you feel stupid for not knowing that the Curragh takes more getting than Newmarket!

And you’re an Irishman!

Is this you?

https://youtu.be/XAERxf4yYaw?is=LXyahWSezw1JLyin

Stick to the jumps and short priced favs Mick Mick

The only know it all is someone who can’t listen and take on board when someone shared knowledge from experience!

It wasn’t about being right!

So Mick Mick don’t ask questions on an open forum if you’re not up for answers or discussion!

One bet today, one winner. It shouldn't upset you but I'm glad it does.

Keep dreaming!

Just before I leave can you show me where on this thread I asked a question? Not what your brain is processing but where I actually asked anyone a question?

Let me know when you back something worth backing at double digits!

Because you’re mick mick you look through and remember proper punctuation next time you post!

Can anyone find anything wrong with this copy and paste job......

Doubles (x2) Each Way
10. Precise
12/1
5th Jun EPSOM DOWNS Epsom 5th June - Each Way
16:16 05 June
Each Way: 1/5 Odds, 3 Places
10. Item
50/1
6th Jun EPSOM DOWNS Epsom 6th June - Each Way
16:16 06 June
Each Way: 1/5 Odds, 3 Places
Stake
€50.00
Potential Returns
€17510.00

The forum should be a place for opinions, questions, discussion and bets.

Im sure we all get riled by some posts, and I'm sure we all rile others sometimes.

But let's not turn every topic on here to petty arguments.

If you dont like something you read, just ignore it.

Cracking bet, luckyme.

Not a fan of Item personally, but puts you in a lovely position to play a few runners.

Cheers Brandy

Fwiw lads the copy n paste job is from a legit bet.

also strange no cash out offered.

A Comma seems to be missing if this helps,lucky

nope Irons, there's something wrong with it but thats not it.

Unfortunately Brandy some don’t get my humor, the after timers was a joke having been on the end of it myself! Not that I actually care!

What you say is true and it should be like that, unfortunately money is involved and that creates jealousy and envy.

I’m not a layer as you know so I’m happy when people win and beat the books.

Back to the topic of “staying” we will see IF True Love truly stays a mile should she turn up at Ascot, because the mile there is the stiffest and takes most getting.

As their two colts haven’t set the world alight I’d not be surprised if she showed in the Commonwealth Cup (if it’s true what they are saying)
She’s a strapping filly and the colts would struggle to give her weight and as we saw with Venetian Sun. 33’s looks MASSIVE!

Plus the 6 as Ascot rides like 7f so it’d be right up her alley.

Yesterday I don’t believe that she was ridden to win for all the reasons that I posted earlier. The winner looked great but was also flattered on the eye slightly because the second and 3rd were treading water at the end.

That’s my opinion of which I’ve been accused of not having despite regularly giving it unlike many. If that makes me a know it all or trying to be clever, you’re wrong it’s only sharing what I see and I’m open to discussion and encourage others to do so without the jibes.

well done delash what the forum should be about sharing opinions, right or wrong. ,

delashay does find info that most of us including me wouldnt have the time  energy or know how  to hunt down.

Thanks Foyles, yesterday wasn’t surprising Sunly was beat, was shocked that she was fav, Graff has talked about her being an Arc filly, but I can’t see that.

Delashy, have you considered that True Love was simply beaten by one that could turn out to be an exceptional 3 year old filly. Take Precise out of the field and she's a dual Guineas winner. The dam stayed (won over 9.5f) as her half-sister (won over 9f) and i fully expect her to be kept to a mile (even has an entry in the Pretty Polly over 10f).

Sunly wasn't favourite, Aventure was (PMU and ISP)

Andrew I doubt that they’ll ever meet again for proof but the way that the race was ran was iffy.

Entries mean very little I believe that Albert is in the PDJC was even in the Derby.

Sunly was favourite with the books, 2/1 was freely available for Aventure.

Aventure
@ 2/1

Won
Each Way: 1/4 Odds, 2 Places

The Graffard factor can work in punters favour sometimes

He’d said that he was surprised by Sunly over 10f last time out because she’s a 12f mare.

You might be right Andrew she could at a mile, there’s not a lot of competition in that division, I was just putting forwards options should what the say be legit.

I’m sick of all their talk, yesterday the Post were updating every word of AOB about the Derby like tweets and he clearly enjoys the power that he has to move markets with his one liners.

I think True Love only just gets a mile.
Looking at her, 6f and 7f would see her to best effect.

I thought Diamond Necklace and Precise were the top two juvenile fillies from last season and that still looks the case. 10f will probably be the ideal distance for both however, so it will be interesting how they keep them apart.

That chain of thought seems right, they know in our Guineas they meet lots who don’t stay, easy pickings for a class horse who’s built like a colt.

Andrew I don’t doubt that they’re all good.

DN  has the PD then the Nassau, Vermille

P has the oaks, Irish version, Yorkshire.

Surely Precise goes for the Coronation now and not the Oaks? There's only a 12 day gap and she will be taking on stablemate Amelia Earhart - a big imposing galloping filly who will relish the 1m 4f, whereas Precise might not. Could see AE kicking for home 3 furlongs out and running them ragged, with Precise not landing a blow.

I don't see the point of those two taking each on in any case

Wayne Lordan rode a better race than grumpy b@llocks imv….

Indeed. That's why I'm not concerned whether Moore chooses Con River over Ben or Pierre at Epsom.

One thing for certain whatever Coolmore horse finishes first in the Derby will be of no surprise to any punter….

Andrew-In-Sweden • May 25, 2026 9:21 AM BST
Delashy, have you considered that True Love was simply beaten by one that could turn out to be an exceptional 3 year old filly. Take Precise out of the field and she's a dual Guineas winner. The dam stayed (won over 9.5f) as her half-sister (won over 9f) and i fully expect her to be kept to a mile (even has an entry in the Pretty Polly over 10f).

Sunly wasn't favourite, Aventure was (PMU and ISP) Wink
Report• Quote • Block User Delashay • May 25, 2026 9:30 AM BST
Andrew I doubt that they’ll ever meet again for proof but the way that the race was ran was iffy.

Entries mean very little I believe that Albert is in the PDJC was even in the Derby.

Sunly was favourite with the books, 2/1 was freely available for Aventure.
Report• Quote • Block User Delashay • May 25, 2026 9:31 AM BST
Aventure
@ 2/1

Won
Each Way: 1/4 Odds, 2 Places

Hey Andrew it’s ok I’m not in France now so don’t follow PMU

Sunly was 10/11 here madness but books can take the Graffard liberty

Delbert,the man with a million opinions but doesn't actually bet

Hey Andrew it’s ok I’m not in France now so don’t follow PMU

Delashay,

I've been going to Longchamp since Detroit won the Arc in 1980 (i was young then ) and go several times a year, in fact i was there for the 1000 recently. My favourite course, and one i have been to the most in nay country, although i left England in 1984.  You don't need to be in France to know PMU odds, the odds recorded in the RP results are based on it; the SL is ISP. Aventure was the BSP favourite on here, i know because i backed her. Sunly was the originl fav with the books as i pointed out on the morning of the race on my lay thread.

I agree wwith you True Love and Precise are unlikely to meet, although it's not necessarily a given. In my opinion (for what it's worth) i think Diamond Necklace is the better miler of the 3 anyway, but how she runs over 2100 metres (circa 10.5f) at Chantilly next month is anyones guess, but i will be there cheering her.

Good luck

Foyleswar,

You may be aware anyway, but you can get a lot of information on the French racing scene from here (and watch LV)

https://www.france-galop.com/en

Paris Turf and Equidia are also good (use Google translate)

https://www.paris-turf.com/

https://www.equidia.fr/

For German racing

https://www.deutscher-galopp.de/

You need to register to watch, but there is also a You-Tube live feed.

thanks andrew   i think anorak may have mentioned them at one time in the past  but when i went on one of them it was in french  didnt know it could be translated on google . ,should hopefully come in handy .good luck.

glad to hear you were young in 1980 ais. 

equidia is fab and i had it for one season but my supplier vanished, possibly to jail and cant get it now, which does me head in. im much better at french racing, i.e i lose less. have to use 356 now. the golden days of french feeds kept me afloat for a good while

foyle-dont bother with googol. its not hard to decipher from the french as you will have a fair idea what you are looking at, its handy mental exercise we all need and half of its in franglais anyway. whats the french for handicap? andicap

Foyles, the France Galop link is for the English page, i use this site generally.

Correct, Alan mentioned Equidia. When i log in, it goes direct to English anyway, so maybe it's in the settings, i don't remember.

Busyfool, young in 1980, but still a sprog

Delashay • May 25, 2026 8:14 AM BST
Back to the topic of “staying” we will see IF True Love truly stays a mile should she turn up at Ascot, because the mile there is the stiffest and takes most getting.

As their two colts haven’t set the world alight I’d not be surprised if she showed in the Commonwealth Cup (if it’s true what they are saying)
She’s a strapping filly and the colts would struggle to give her weight and as we saw with Venetian Sun. 33’s looks MASSIVE!

Plus the 6 as Ascot rides like 7f so it’d be right up her alley.

Yesterday I don’t believe that she was ridden to win for all the reasons that I posted earlier. The winner looked great but was also flattered on the eye slightly because the second and 3rd were treading water at the end.

That’s my opinion of which I’ve been accused of not having despite regularly giving it unlike many. If that makes me a know it all or trying to be clever, you’re wrong it’s only sharing what I see and I’m open to discussion and encourage others to do so without the jibes.