Who wins the 2000 Guineas?

BOW ECHO, has a turn of foot, unbeaten, won over course and distance

All the best

There’s been a thread running where things were open for discussion for some time.


Delashay • March 30, 2026 10:12 AM BST

Then we had the switch with Gstaad…


Well surprise surprise the substitute ended up getting course experience in the Dewhurst, which if you’ll watch he ran too freely and was reigned back by Soumi (who I don’t think rides the track well)
He then stayed on reversing form and looking much bigger than Zavertari who’d beaten him earlier in the year.

I expect him to go off Fav and be their sole runner.

I will take a chance on Alparslan.
He didn't appear to handle Newmarket last year, but that could have been down to immaturity (plus he was keen when surrounded by other horses).
He looks to have improved physically and mentally (possibly improved past a few who beat him last year).
The trip is a doubt, but I feel he was going away at the line in the Greenham and there is potentially enough stamina on the dam's side.
The other concern is whether he'll get taken on by Oxagon for the lead.
Worth a nibble at a price though.
If not him, Apppleby's. He normally wins the Guineas.

Thanks to FOYLES I have a small bet at 60s on Needle Match which will do fine .

GL OP. I'm on Alparsan and Avicenna at 38/1 and 36/1 respectively. Hoping at least one them has a good go.

I'm getting the Alhaarth vibes from Bow Echo, a small unbeaten champion 2 year old who didn't train on and won only once more in his career (Dick hern later, Bin Suroor)

I remember last year a few comments on TV about Bow Echo being a great 2 year old but others would improve past him in the winter due to him being on the small side.

Distant Storm for me, Appleby says he is best fresh, so lack of a run is a plus

Distant Storm for me - Appleby says he is best fresh, so lack of a run is a plus in his case.

I'm getting the Alhaarth vibes about Bow Echo - a small built unbeaten 2 year old who didn't train on, and only won once more in his career (Dick Hern, later Bin Suroor)

I remember a few TV comments last year about how Bow Echo is a great 2 year old but others should improve past him over the winter due to his small frame.

Going into the Greenham Burke said :

What They Say
Karl Burke, trainer of Alparslan
“He seems to have gone under the radar a bit. He's had only three runs. On his last run, he was thrown in at the deep end in the Dewhurst and didn't really handle the track at Newmarket and came back a little sore. He's wintered really well and he's working very well with horses who've been winning.”


Trainer's view: Karl Burke: "It was a great performance in the Greenham. Everybody said we got the run of the race, but we didn't go out to make the running, you've still got to go from A to B in the quickest time. He'll improve for that run and I'm looking forward to seeing him. He came out of the Dewhurst a little bit sore last year, but it was his third quick run and he's a very sound horse so I'm not overly concerned about the track."

Horses can remember bad experiences

The Racing Press have made a big deal out of Buick not riding Kings Trail,

Yet they have a second string with Avicenna, who Buick could have ridden surely?

I don’t see the Needle Match run as being great, yes he has ability but they finished in a bunch and he wasn’t going past  Albert at a rate of knots and he’s a nah show here.

Needle Match is as low as 10/1 win a Guineas in his 3rd start, Makfi was 33/1 on the day and the last one to do so.

You can now back Kings Trail at a little less and he’s unbeaten going into it with only the two wins.

uptheirons • May 1, 2026 6:47 PM BST
Delbert fuming that another poster started his own thread

Question? What rhymes with thread?

And no one is fuming, it’s just not cricket to start a discussion elsewhere when one was created for all.

But this is the I tipped the winner thread I guess and that’s the egos instead of genuine debate.

Delbert fuming again

Perhaps some posters do not wish to debate with an Autistic loon,Delbert

INBRED is the answer and I’m calm as ****!

Keep it in the family

You sound very calm,Delbert

King’s Trail

You can sling it too

uptheirons • May 1, 2026 7:11 PM BST
I will put up my opinion now.
I will not be having a bet on equine Bingo at this time of year.


So stay off relevant threads

I am afraid that you do not get to tell posters what they may do,Delbert

Dat cool P.Rico change hands soon?

Or change finger and thumb?

Hey Tids!

The homophobic insults soon come from the hapless,non punting Delbert

They are an observation of a very small so called man

Nothing phobic just a truth, keep using trigger words hoping to get me banned! Whilst you call people grasses!

I’d ask when you last had a 5 knuckle shuffle but I know you’ve never had one!

A persecution complex as well

Autistic behaviour at its best

We all are thankfull that we aren’t you

Demented

Sad little pussey of a spam

Notice spam becomes man?

Just the one bet will do,Delbert

Cut down on your pork life! Oi oi! Savaloy

Don't think last year's exposed 2yo's were anything special so on that basis it might be worth throwing a dart at an outsider. My pin came down on Thesecretadversary. He isn't the best looker you will ever see, but on the plus side he seems to appreciate quick ground, seems to have a decent attitude, and shapes as if a stiffer test of stamina will suit. Who knows whether he will handle the track, but there are several others in that same boat. Surprised that there are not more bookmakers offering 4 places. There is no obvious winner.

Won the same race as Poetic Flare did before causing a bit of
an upset.

Interesting

Needle Match e/w

differentdrum
Thank you for your diligent and well researched views, much appreciated.
I reckon you could make a few quid on here by laying though, rather than slagging the bookies odds.
It’s easy enough to lay the odds, if they’re too short in your opinion.
Essentially bookmaking is supply and demand.

In recent years favs have won 7 of last 12. If it's not the fav then always an outsider. Bow Echo surely would be fav if not up against O'Brien's Gstaad who also looks solid. As neither has had a run I'm siding with Alparslan at a tasty 25/1.

Can't work out why Into the Sky is shorter than other horses with stronger form.
Can only be because of his debut win, or someone knows something we don't...

Form of its debut looks well below-par and the Mill Reef winner doesn't look exceptional by any means. Also breeding doesn't scream a mile...

On a side note, the supporting card at Newmarket is very disappointing with 6 handicaps, 1 Group 3 and a listed race.

As I'm at home I'll go with Gstaad (15:45) & Double Rush (13:45) for a double.

Delashay • May 1, 2026 6:29 PM BST
Going into the Greenham Burke said :

What They Say
Karl Burke, trainer of Alparslan
“He seems to have gone under the radar a bit. He's had only three runs. On his last run, he was thrown in at the deep end in the Dewhurst and didn't really handle the track at Newmarket and came back a little sore. He's wintered really well and he's working very well with horses who've been winning.”


Trainer's view: Karl Burke: "It was a great performance in the Greenham. Everybody said we got the run of the race, but we didn't go out to make the running, you've still got to go from A to B in the quickest time. He'll improve for that run and I'm looking forward to seeing him. He came out of the Dewhurst a little bit sore last year, but it was his third quick run and he's a very sound horse so I'm not overly concerned about the track."



Report• Quote • Block User Delashay • May 1, 2026 6:29 PM BST
Horses can remember bad experiences

NON was telling porkies

Supposedly wide open, and I appreciate Appleby isn't pulling up trees, even so a Hail Mary r/fc of his pair for an interest.
Gstaad fav by default. Where does the thing rank among Apob's 3 year olds.

Doyler appears happy to be aboard his steed.

Bow Echo and Distant Storm look solid and should be there abouts, the latter would be my no1 pick. Also there's one that I'm going to watch for the future. (I may have a small bet) 
Into the Sky shouldn't really stay the trip but its very clever what connections have done here. If he stays then lots of options open up for him, but if he doesn't they can drop back in trip for the Commonwealth Cup. I can see him going well for a long way and then its case of hoping the stamina gauge doesn't completely empty! lol

Gstad looks
FAT

Bow Echo, a lot smaller than I expected. Do nippy types win the 2000g?

Ticks in all the boxes for ITS. Will he stay? Probably not but I've placed the bet fully aware of this.

That was impressive from Bow Echo. A 1st Guineas for Loughnane.

a good winner no excuses

Very good winner

so glad for billy.

strung out like a 1m seller at catterick

A very good horse. Can't see him getting beat this season

Luvvly Jubbly!

Great work Shropshire.

He has a first class temperament to go with his talent

Storm Alert 02 May 26 15:22 
Bow Echo, a lot smaller than I expected. Do nippy types win the 2000g?


sometimes.

Fantastic reception for the winner, more like the jumps than the flat.

Probably 6-4 for the SJP

Good to see a small stable can still sock it to the big wigs of Coolmore. Bow Echo is a phenomenon.

Into the Sky was game as you come to get 4th. Was running on fumes in the last furlong

6/4? More like 1/1 money for the SJP.

The winner only gets £300k. I understand £300k is a lot of money, not in Flat Racing though.

Distant Storm wa staying on at the end having been done for toe.

Thought Oxagon was going to try going from the front and might win, shocking bet by myself.

Distant Storm has only won a G3 he’s not top class.

Oxagon took advantage of the small field in the Craven and mugged them all and beat very little.

I hope the winner Bow Echo goes to Ireland and kicks s again. I think he'll rule the Mile division this season here, Ireland and France given similar conditions.

Its not the prize money they are after in this race.....its the breeding and Bow Echo is instantly worth 10 mill plus

Two separate races, with nothing emerging from leftfield. Horrible race for each-way backers with the first three places being filled by the top of the market, and an expected non-stayer just holding on to a distant fourth. Thesecretadversary had a really bad trip, pulling with virtually no cover, and with even a slightly better passage, would surely have landed the fourth?

Hopefully, the winner turns out to be above average, but time will determine that. At the moment, an unbeaten winner is ideal for those who like a bit of cheerleading. He isn't the most substantial so it will be interesting to see how many races he will be able to take, and whether they will ever risk him on a softer surface. Night Of Thunder had a little form on soft, but his best produce have favoured quick ground. The dam had no form on soft ground.

Into the sky dropped back to 6/7 will be very good.m

Bow Echo (9/4) and Gstaad (7/4) could meet in Ireland. The bookie sponsor Hendo is 4/1 (a big inch of salt). But, will the former turn up though? The SJP is more assured given its prestige, superior prize money and the Royal appearance.

Timeform rating-131

Seems a bit high

I give it JUST 128p

A pretty decent rating. His winning time was 0.5s below standard.

Bow Echo is 1/1 (best) for the SJP at Royal Ascot.

Both Guineas winners came up the stands side.
Is there traditionally any track bias at Newmarket, and could this have affected the poor performances of the horses behind the front 3 in the 2000 Guineas, who all ran well below their ratings?

Decent enough reappearance by Hawk Mountain today.
Going for the 10F French derby, possibly.
Needs juice in the ground.

Well i see the bhb give a mark of just
126

Thought the Timeform figure was too RICH

I still can't work out why all the beaten horses (with the exception of Gstaad) ran so far below their official ratings.
Most peculiar.