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Imagine winning £141,897 but only being offered 11%
Jackpots of £236k, £175k, £142k and more on William Hills Jackpot Drop game a few days ago. Now the bookies are demanding it back. The classic goodwill gesture? 11% |
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Betfred was forced to pay out a few years ago after a "software glitch".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-56663830 . |
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Funny how you never hear about lotto having a glitch…
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in a betting shop the other month there is a lunchtime numbers draw and a tea time draw. the numbers at lunchtime came out again at tea time.a glitch they said and voided all bets at tea time
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No surprise there. The bookies will always blame the software / machine in any mega payout they deem unlikely. The bookies are the perennial whingers, and they are getting away with it.
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hope those "affected" have withdrawn all funds & said foxtrot oscar
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Heart bleeds, poor bookie and their leaching money through addicts on machines...
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h1lls giving 11% to those that send money back...
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Punters have benefited from bookmaker system errors previously, such as when Corrine Durber was credited with winning more than £1 million on a casino game by Paddy Power in October 2020. The bookmaker blamed a computer error and attempted to reduce Durber’s winnings to £20,000, but lost in the High Court last year.
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I'm an honest person. However, I'll not return any winning to the bookie in this matter, period. If I'd played the game / machine, won and got paid out, then the bookie later claimed there had been a "glitch", I'd say tough luck.
Take me to court. I'll take my chance with a judge. |
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If the bookie concerned wants a legal issue, it should be with their provider of these machines - not their customers.
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If anyone copped for over £140k because of a glitch in the softrware and then baulked at taking 11% - £15k - for returning the money they must be bonkers.
Why try to hang on to £140k when Billy H have more legal resource than most. That £140k might be lost anyway and possibly legal costs on top. No, take the £15k and regard it as a gift from heaven. After all, imagine that £15k had been dropped into their accounts accidentally? That would seem like manna from heaven, but now they can have £15k and sleep at night! But, no doubt, naivety and greed will overcome most of those lucky enough to be on the right side of this issue. It is surely about risk and reward and taking the £15k is a pretty good reward for no risk...remember, there are old gamblers and bold gamblers but very few old AND bold gamblers!!!! |
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As has been pointed out Betfred and PP both lost court cases over similar claims of "software glitchs".
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If you are the sort of person to whom 15k is a lot of money then take what the devil is offering you.
If you are Sir Richard Rich and 141k is just a drop in the ocean then fight them all the way to the supreme court. Its just the way of the world. |
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the problem is the knight if you were to take the £15k they can claim a "glitch " every time they have a mega payout ,claim a glitch and offer £15 or 20 k "loyalty " my arshe payouts , if they are offering 15k they know that theres a good chance they will lose if it gets to court ,id say take the claim to any good reputable lawyer , the big firms will try and wear you down with costs threats etc but the betred and paddy results put the ball in the winning punters court imo.
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they claim glitches when big payouts are won ..........do these glitches work the other way and would they inform and offer losing punters money back?
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Or, you could ask Billies for 22% or 25% to settle...
Of course, it is down to how much you already have behind you... But if you are playing fruit machine games online I would suggest £15k would be a lot of money. What would I do? Well I am onto my third milion but I am 66 in August. Even with what I have, £15k FOR NOTHING is worth having - and that is based on years and year of gambling and business experience. What the UK has no idea of as a nation is the balance of risk against reward. We see that everyday with daft health and safety rules etc etc Of course, you may ask why Billies are being so seemignly generous with the 11% (why 11%, BTW?). Perhaps they have looked at what their legal costs might be to recover all the money and worked out that 11% is worth paying so as to save money in the long run...risk against reward for them. OR, and this is my cynical nature derived from age, PERHAPS this glitch did not happen at all. Perhaps this is all a publicity stunt to suck a few more into their fruit machine games etc.... |
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Foyleswar,,,yes, your latter point about it working the other way around is very valid.
Indeed, I have sometimes wondered if a punter playing, say roulette, could claim there must have been a glitch on the software if they have encountered an outragous run of bad luck. In that case, could a punter claim that red 9 times in a row (as an example) must be a glitch rather than pure chance? But this might be different to the current Billies issue. Here it might be that the gaming software is OK, but the payment software has gone wrong - IE people have been paid out who should not have been? If that is the case, in my view, the law would side with Billies. If it did not then everytime a bank made an erroneus payment the money could be kept. Hence, another reason I personally would be looking to hike the 11% up somewhat... |
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Can you imagine the turmoil of actually thinking you've won £140K and then someone turns around a long time later and tells you it was a mistake. Sorry. I can imagine many people would struggle to ever get over it.
Yes, effectively it will be a deal or no deal scenario. What will it take to buy this person off and prevent court action. Bully boy tactics. The court process could be almost as traumatic, not counting the cost. Even if you win, you've gone to hell and back. WH have made it a kind of a poison chalice by trying to renege, as they can. Awful stuff. |
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yes its a difficult one the knight if you are just a normal everyday punter 15k is a lot of dough and a bird in the hand scenario ,and at the very least try to get more out of them 25 or 30% at least , the sleepless nights and stress if you are holding out would get to most ,but id also have sleepless nights thinking what if id have held out ,and id always have that" they have done me up like a kipper "here in the back of my mind .
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can you imagine someone saying to you hey didnt you win £140 k from william hill and you replying i did yes but i settled for 15k
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It's hard to have a lot of sympathy. The classic line about degenerative and addicted gamblers, is that they would bet on 2 flies crawling up a wall - but the people that play these games are effectively betting on 2 pretend/imaginary/virtual flies crawling up a wall! - If you're that desperate for a bet, you need to Sea Kelp.
Hopefully it's a wake-up call in two regards. Firstly a realisation that they have a gambling problem and secondly that the people they are betting with are parasitic charlatans with no honour, self respect or dignity. They are barely regulated and there is no ombudsman. They only take bets from degenerative addicts and losers - and even then, they will still go to great lengths to avoid paying out. |
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It would be a nice touch if they had a slots game - where you win the Jackpot by aligning the reels into an image of the original William Hill spinning in his grave?
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Worth pointing out that a £100k is £100k to the consumer but only £79k to the bookie and £21k to the Treasury.
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Actually they'll be corporation tax of 25% on the £79k if they make a profit
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I think I'd be looking for a no win no fee solicitor myself before refunding any money.
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It goes without saying that people shouldn't be using online slots with real money, but that's not the point here. They did, they won, the bookie wants to renege and bully their way out of paying up.
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It shouldn't actually cost the bookie anything in the long run. Surely the way rtp works means that it will revert to the same margin. The 'loss' would be clawed back from future spins. A lot of them, granted!
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It's almost like being Regulated and Licensed in the UK means nothing!
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The 'state' is fundamentally incompetent. But that should go without saying, also.
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as the management says most of those who play slots etc are prob degenerate gamblers who are easy targets for the big firms .......it does give the firms carte blanche any time of a big payout just say it was a glitch and offer em 15 or 20k and they will more than likely take it ,reminds me of my younger days ,a couple of druggies /smack /cokeheads nicked some jewelery and were looking to sell it to get more ,a bloke offered them £4000 (obviously worth way more )which they eagerly accepted but it was on a saturday and we are talking the 1970s and he said i can get you around 200 quid now and 200 quid on sunday and the rest on monday morning when the banks open , they couldnt wait and accepted £1500 cash from another bloke a few hours later .
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We'll just have to hope and pray that none of the people involved get driven towards the nasty black market - where they won't be afforded the protections that they have with the firms that are Licensed and Regulated in the UK.
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If the 140k is in your bank and you have no other assets ie. rent no car and on the dole how do h1ills get their money when u have spent it ? ( eg. gambling )
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I'd be surprised if anyone managed to withdraw, as to do that they would need to produce the birth certs of all great-grandparents plus every bank statement and utility bill for the last ten years.
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If there truly was a glitch then the onus is on the bookie to prove it in court. The players or recipients should not as they have hot set out to deceive fraudulently. Leave the judge to decide post listening to evidence / opinions from tech / software experts.
I used to win regularly on free spins from bookies. Then it stopped. Even now when I play the odd promotion the wheel would re-adjust itself as soon as I press the start button eg a slight movement, before it actually spins normally. Is this a managed 'glitch' that has stopped me from winning again? This 'glitch' was not evident in the past when I was winning regularly. Is the slot fixed? Can someone really withdraw a mega sum eg several thousands, and be paid out almost immediately eg within minutes? I've only withdrawn much less the last couple of years, and some withdrawals had to be staggered and subject to further approvals. |
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lets say the £140 is in your bank you have no car or an old banger worth a couple of hundred tops are on the dole . you draw it out of the bank and when hills come a calling say ive done the lot , even if you have only done a few thousand and still have the rest ,they can only pursue you though the courts and a good chance you will win anyway. correct me if i am wrong .
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im assuming there was a time lapse before the" glitch " was discovered .
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Ask oneself why the bookie was so keen to offer an inducement to "retrieve" the money back, assuming there was a glitch? The machines have helped them and the manufacturers mega bucks. I'm sure if there was to be any "reimbursement" it ought to be between the bookie and the machine / software supplier.
I'd say "take me to court", and let the judge decide. |
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they would put ths ball in your court imp refuse to pay you or offer the 15k and say take us to court
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