President Trump humiliating Starmer

Given that Trump is regarded as a transactional President, I still can't see what he is hoping to gain from starting this Iran business.
Whilst solidifying the historic bond with Israel, he is at risk of pushing away other historic allies.

Iran are obviously the root of a lot of global terrorism. They pose a genuine nuclear threat. And yes, the US are supporting Israel, as should we.

cb denies that he supported lockdown, I'll take his word on that. However, generally I'd bet a lot of money on a strong correlation with lockdown fascists and defenders of Iran. In a year's time they'll probably try to forget they supported Iran against the only power capable of keeping the west together. In essence they are very mailable and only want to be on the side that seems safe at the time.

fullset • March 17, 2026 10:00 AM GMT
It seems delashay has decided that motives are more important than actions .

And that he's an expert on the PM's motives

In a court you’re given longer for a pre meditated murder, they tend agree with me too!

You know you've won the argument when your opponents switch from the matter at hand to rehash old beefs .

No problem here, Don ‘t like Americanisms such as, “Beef”, you can reply to any of my criticisms of the PM as you like which you didn’t.

Motive is in fact a big reason, you mugged yourself whilst trying to mock me!

Carry on supporting someone without a back bone or idea!

As a matter of fact I agree with much of the criticism of Starmer , but I thought we were discussing the question whether we should take instructions from Trump in regard to the war against Iran .
And in that regard I believe it will be seen that Starmer has taken the correct course.

Wouldn’t the world be a better place if some could forget the past instead of calling for the likes Of Mo’s Army on the streets of London to go and slaughter those that they despise?

Because to use your phrase that’s a “Beef” out there that the world can do without !

And no I wouldn’t play follow the leader with Pump, I’m not a fan Fullset, years back now I heard a report on radio 2 about an American economist who had advised that full sanctions be placed on Russia to stop their invasion of the Ukraine.
The guy was living in hiding here, Sputin had asked Pump to hand him over, he agreed to do so, he’s done many things that I disagree with, but that morning I realised something else, that was his closeness to Sputin.

He had written a book, I wish I could recall his name, but what we have is a massive land grab going on all over the world right now.

I’ve asked why Russia aren’t using an airforce? Surely it’s to prolong a war that everyone gets tired of, despite the huge losses, never after the First World War did we think that we’d see trench war fare ever again but it’s playing out out there.
The West is tired of sending money the Russian plan is working to a degree.

What has it started? A massive free for all which isn’t good and I worry about this appetite for war.

The President of Peace has called for us all to build up our arms, FIFA gave him a  peace prize and we have not long ago placed more sanctions on Russia!

It’s all so carefully orchestrated. I’d like to see real true action for good.

My friend an ex neighbour from London has a second house in the West Country, she tells me you hear big military planes high up and that it’s building up. As well as about the Russian ship off of the coast of Minehead.

That we sent 200 Marines to Norway but no one knows why is interesting, shouldn’t we be looking out for us here?

We can’t even protect our own border (the Russian ship a mile and half off of our coastline) but are sending troops abroad so I do laugh negatively when he talks of protecting us all.

Have a good day all.

As a matter of fact I agree with much of the criticism of Starmer , but I thought we were discussing the question whether we should take instructions from Trump in regard to the war against Iran .
And in that regard I believe it will be seen that Starmer has taken the correct course.

Can you be a bit specific, exactly what course has Starmer taken?

Starmer always looks a worried individual,not a good look for a leader.

Ruled by certain origins.

"[i]The term “special relationship” – used to describe relations between the US and UK – was first used by Winston Churchill in 1946 to highlight just how intertwined the countries had become after the Second World War. Ever since, the US and UK have been in varying degrees of lockstep, with presidents and prime ministers honouring that alliance in times of peace and conflict.
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    Yet Donald Trump has been increasingly critical of Keir Starmer for not supporting his war on Iran. So what is the future of the special relationship? Ian Dunt, Zoë Grünewald and Jon Sopel offer their perspectives.


It was towards the end of Barack Obama’s second term in 2016 when I had breakfast with the president’s supersmart press secretary, Josh Earnest. The conversation went on to the “special relationship”. I felt a slight, amused eye roll from him.

Over croissants and coffee I was schooled in American diplomatic statecraft. “When the Brits are around, we know we HAVE to talk about the ‘special’ relationship. When it’s the Canadians or Mexicans, we talk about the ‘closest’ relationship. Obviously because of the closeness of their revolution and ours, when the French are here, we talk about the ‘oldest’ relationship. Oh and when [former Chancellor of Germany Angela] Merkel comes to DC, we talk about the ‘dearest’ relationship.”

Of course, of course. When you’re the world’s pre-eminent superpower, everyone wants to be made to feel special. He knew he was being wry, but there was a truth about what he was saying. The fact of the matter is that on this side of the pond, we talk about the special relationship far more than the Americans do. And as for it being a relationship of equals – forget it.

Now I think we, the journalistic community, have our share of blame for this state of affairs. If we think our Prime Minister has gotten (to use an American word) too close, then he is the president’s poodle. For that, think Tony Blair over Iraq in 2003, when he was accused of doing George W. Bush’s bidding. Or look at the fun we had when Gordon Brown was so desperate for a bilateral with Barack Obama before the 2010 election that Brown abased himself by chasing Obama through the kitchens at a United Nations summit, desperate to be able to show his closeness to the charismatic US president.

But we are invariably the supplicants, hoping that our much more powerful cousins will be kind to us. We want to be in America’s good graces much more than they want to be in ours. They love our royal family, but aren’t interested in much else.

Which brings us to Sir Keir Starmer and what has unfolded over the past couple of weeks. Let’s be honest – the first year of Starmer’s premiership had been marked by a wearying if understandable obsequiousness. But he navigated the relationship with an unpredictable, impulsive president with some aplomb. Then he decided to part company with the 47th president over Iran.

And so, when Donald Trump, after the first few days of the war, told reporters “This is not Winston Churchill we’re dealing with,” it was hard to imagine a more crushing, headline-grabbing broadside by an American president. It was an oxygen denying blow straight to the solar plexus.

Certain sections of the media lapped it up. We’d been snubbed and humiliated. Britain was diminished and irrelevant. Starmer was a bungling buffoon.

But perhaps, (to borrow from Churchill) this was his finest hour. A lot of commentators went to the history books seeking parallels and came up with Hugh Grant in Love Actually.

There are better comparisons: Thatcher over the US invasion of a British Commonwealth country, Grenada, when she gave Ronald Reagan a right old bollocking. Or Harold Wilson refusing to send troops to fight in Vietnam. The “special relationship” isn’t all sweetness and light – and it doesn’t always have to be a one-way street.

Trump may be disappointed with Britain right now, but Starmer looks as though he has (for once) read public opinion pretty astutely, has (for once) stood his ground – and actually earned some respect. Who knows, he may have even won grudging respect from Trump.

Think for one moment of the counter-factual. What would have been the reaction if Starmer had just said “yes” to everything from Trump? This is a war with far less justification than the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Then there was lengthy public debate, a UN resolution. This time round there’s been none of that. If a British PM had just written a blank cheque to Trump to start a war that has had no explanation, what would we have all thought?

Sure, there is some bad blood right now. But things will stabilise. There are areas where this association is deeper and more profound than some imagine: over intelligence sharing, national security, military integration. Britain has a relationship with the US unlike any other country on the planet. And anyway, Trump wants the king to come to America next month.

The term “special relationship” was first coined by Churchill in a speech in 1946 in Fulton, Missouri; the asymmetry of it would be seen a decade later when America threatened to bankrupt Britain if it continued its post-imperial adventure with the French and the Israelis over Suez.

That was the defining moment. America was the superpower; Britain no longer ruled the waves. But adjusting to being a “middle” power that doesn’t “punch above its weight”, as a Thatcher-era foreign secretary would have it, is an ongoing, painful adjustment.

And going back to the counter-factual, if Starmer had signed that blank cheque, would it have made any difference? What additional military capability would the US have gained? The special relationship does not have mythical qualities, it is mostly symbolic, with a few real practical bits. It’s possible that Starmer has helped us see that a little more clearly."

I can’t see anything wrong with Karmer discussing it with his cabinet.

Admittedly I know next to nothing about politics and that’s already more than I want to know. Trump is a clown of the highest order imo but he’s made politics quite amusing to the untrained eye. I doubt we’d be in such indecision if it were a former president asking. One who held a bit of respect the world over.

Trump is one of the most powerful men in the world. I don’t think I’d trust him to even look after my dog!

The US navy doesn't have a ship within 700kms of the straight of Hormuz,
Trump knows it will be a duck shoot for the Irainians
so now he wants other countries navies to go there, haha

yet we have clowns on here wanting Starmer to send our boys to certain death

It's the difference between being a leader and a middle manager, kenbo. On important matters, a good leader should be able to persuade his team. Leaders set the strategy, they aren't spokesmen for the team.

Extreme example but if Churchill had succumbed to cabinet pressure, things might have turned out quite a lot worse for us.

As everyone knows, even his biggest fanboys, Starmer isn't a leader. He has no instinct, no foresight, can't inspire, can't provide hope, he is in the wrong job.

Off topic but I liked this response too..

I'm less and less sure about Reform winning enough seats at the next election and forming the next government.  In a recent YG poll, whilst they polled 20%, (which was higher than any other party) as the best option, 40% of respondents (which was far higher than any other party) thought they would be the worst option.  With those figures it doesn't feel like they have much scope to become more popular, and I think momentum and public opinion is starting to falter, even though this current government will not meet public expectations.  How the seats all pan out in such a fractured vote is anyone's guess

It reminded me of a story that my dad told me when he went on a project management course.  He said at the start of the course the loudest individuals started to take control, but as the course progressed, they realised that the loudmouths didn't have good ideas, and quieter more knowledgeable people took over.  Difference being that was a management meeting with smarter than average people who could recognise the loudmouths' lack of knowledge.     

"The past decade has shown that what was once assumed permanent about the special relationship may be far more fragile. The relationship bends to the temperament of the people running it. Presidents and prime ministers can strain it in ways institutions struggle to contain.

So what is its future? Let’s imagine the current polls come to fruition and Reform win the most seats at the next general election. The cracks in the special relationship will become impossible to ignore.

Nigel Farage has long styled himself as an Atlanticist; more at home with the swaggering, brash conservatism of the United States than the stuffy corridors of Brussels. His admiration for America is inseparable of course from his disdain for Europe: the EU’s bureaucracy and meddling only reinforced his fascination with a country that prizes risk and celebrates self-made success.

But Farage’s Atlanticism is highly selective. His affection for the US is less mutual admiration than transactional self-interest: a country where individualism thrives, and he is validated for being exactly himself. It is a mirror for his own ideology. Farage admires the US because it vindicates him, and does not seem at all interested in reciprocity

These instincts are echoed in his party. Reform UK’s ambivalence toward NATO, hostility toward Europe and a preference for national sovereignty over international obligations define its foreign policy. Under a possible Reform government, this “special relationship” becomes increasingly performative: all style, little substance, just a thin case for Britain drifting further away from its allies under the guise of sovereignty.

What this looks like in practice depends on who occupies the White House in 2029. Take a populist Republican such as JD Vance, the natural successor to Trump. On paper, a Vance-Farage pairing looks aligned: both sceptical of global institutions, prioritising domestic voters, ambivalent about extended foreign commitments. Harmonious realignment, commentators would say. Cheerleaders on both sides of the Atlantic would lap it up.

But while Britain might mirror America in temperament, it would find its capabilities lacking. Farage would revel in creating distance from the EU: scaling back commitments, shrugging at support for Ukraine and neglecting European defence. Downing Street could speak smugly of its ideological bedfellows in Washington, but Britain’s value to the US has never rested on sentiment alone.

It has long come from two assets: close ties with Europe and the global influence that flows from them. The UK was not simply a loyal ally, but a country able to shape continental responses and bring others with it. Strip that away and Britain arrives in Washington with far fewer cards to play. Military operations might still happen, but the UK would be consulted less and carry less weight.

A nationalist White House would have little reason to reward loyalty for its own sake. Farage’s Britain would be the friend who ditched their old crowd to hang with the cool kids, only to discover they’re not invited to the party.

Now imagine a liberal internationalist Democrat like Gavin Newsom in the Oval Office. Whatever relief this hypothetical might offer quickly fades, because while Newsom represents a strand of American politics more traditionally aligned with British interests – committed to NATO, climate leadership, and alliances grounded in liberal democratic norms – a Reform government, sceptical of all those things, would make it its business to drift out of step. And while Newsom may not deploy the scorched-earth tactics of Trump, he is no pushover when it comes to dealing with Trumpian bedfellows. The “special relationship” might survive in name, but Britain’s voice at the table would be reduced to polite nods, occasional press releases, and the awkward handshake.

The irony is delicious, and entirely emblematic of the incoherence of Reform’s vision. The promise to restore Britain’s glory days by shaking off bureaucratic elites would leave the country less influential than ever. Nationalist instincts may appeal to some voters, but the strategic incoherence of it all would come back to bite. A political project that prides itself on putting “Brits first” is as naïve as it is theatrical: the world’s biggest threats and greatest solutions are international. No matter how you spin it: under Reform, American relations look bleak. We either sit at dinner tables with those who smile but don’t return our calls, or we dig our own grave by shunning our friends and watch as the world rights its wrongs without us.

By the end of the decade, if Britain chooses Reform, it will find itself profoundly alone on the international stage: sidelined in Europe, isolated from the US, and willingly drowning in the Brexiteer fantasy that it can do it all on its own. The “special relationship” would survive in name only, but it’d be meaningless, transactional, and utterly hollow. Britain would matter less than it thinks, and the US would barely notice.

If the special relationship is under pressure today, just wait until it meets Nigel Farage in Downing Street."

straits of Hormuz wont be fully up and operating as normal,till IRAN agree it is, TRUMP /America no that like a ROYAL FAMILY ,ab UK ship in SOH will be like a red rag to a bull for IRAN and a number one target they couldn't refuse to bomb, this wont bother TRUMP or USA because  they no that like themselves that will drag UK,then Europe 100% committed in to been at war with IRAN, luckily unlike trump,UK and Europe have leaders who can see this elephant trap from outer space , its trumps/Israel's mess let them sort it out

The other thing is (assuming the YG poll is reasonably accurate) if you have a party which 20% want and 40% don't want, in this day and age tactical voting will mean many of the 40% vote for the most popular alternative in that seat.

Cabinet collective responsibility, also known as collective ministerial responsibility,[1] is a constitutional convention in parliamentary systems and a cornerstone of the Westminster system of government, that members of the cabinet must publicly support all governmental decisions made in Cabinet, even if they do not privately agree with them. This support includes voting for the government in the legislature.[2] This convention formed in the 19th century in the United Kingdom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_collective_responsibility

and @cider

I'd bet a lot of money on a strong correlation with lockdown fascists and defenders of Iran. In a year's time they'll probably try to forget they supported Iran

Can you give some examples of uk mainstream politicians who are "supporting iran" or even anyone on these forums who are "supporting iran"

Exactly dave.  Give too much power to one individual, as we've seen in Iran, USA and Russia, you get dumb decisions.  That was what I was alluding to re the OP, and that imo Trump is humiliating the USA.  His supporters will lap it up though.

More importantly , what is going to win the Grand National this year ?

I was thinking of people involved in the general discourse, not politicians explicitly. Politicians in power are not daft enough to openly 'come out' for Iran, but it's actions that count, not words. Starmer hasn't 'come out' for China for example, but his actions tell us everything.

(fwiw, lol at citing wikipedia for 'evidence' :) )

Imagine the Eggheads being one Egghead.  The strength of the Eggheads, is that they have different areas of expertise and recognise their respective strengths to get as many questions right as possible, even allowing for the fact that Kevin is prolly stronger than any other two Eggheads put together.

Trump is only an Egghead in self publicity and arguably real estate, and has no expertise in any other area.  Over time, he's got less and less Eggheads in the building steering him as best they can towards sensible decisions, as he values sycophantic pandering to Egghead expertise.

So cider do you think that the wikipedia explantion of Cabinet collective responsibility is inaccurate? Where is it wrong?

I didn't say it was wrong. But citing wikipedia as evidence is laughable, it can be written by anyone.

Nothing in it explains why Starmer would change his intended policy based on the influence of other cabinet members.

big dunc • March 17, 2026 12:21 PM GMT
The US navy doesn't have a ship within 700kms of the straight of Hormuz,
Trump knows it will be a duck shoot for the Irainians
so now he wants other countries navies to go there, haha

yet we have clowns on here wanting Starmer to send our boys to certain death

Who wants that Duncs?

This guy and his “Coalition of the Willing” wants to send our troops to Peace keep in the Ukraine!

Anyone actually think that that’s a good idea?!

His decision making is all over the place!

Maybe you’ve all forgotten about that ill fated idea and plan?

Trump is certainly no Churchill.  Churchill served on the Western Front.  Trump made up a fake injury to avoid military service.

Lesser cowards than Trump were executed during The Great War

Trump is a brave politician, unlike the crab we have currently representing us.

Let’s not forget that this great leader cares about the human rights of terror groups!

He cares nothing for , “Our Boys” he wants to put them on trial for things done in war years back.

They’ll have a lot of trouble with recruiting because of that and I suspect those still in the Armed Forces hate this muppet.

So who’s for peace keeping in Ukraine?

Cider • March 17, 2026 1:43 PM GMT
I didn't say it was wrong. But citing wikipedia as evidence is laughable, it can be written by anyone

Everything you read is written by "anyone". And in this case the "anyone" has provided an accurate description, which I chose to quote with the source. 

Nothing in it explains why Starmer would change his intended policy based on the influence of other cabinet members.

I'm not sure what precisely you are referring to, but at the extreme, if the PM has an idea entirely unsupported by any other cabinet member, that idea is going to die the death very quickly.

Many people who faked injury in The Great War were executed as cowards.  These were people who were brave enough to sign up in the first place.

Everything you read is written by "anyone". And in this case the "anyone" has provided an accurate description, which I chose to quote with the source.


Obviously, has anybody on there defined obtuse?

wikipedia can be written by anybody, and nobody knows who it is!

maybe you got a degree before the internet existed, maybe you never got a degree. try citing wikipedia in a dissertation or uni submission. you could equally try twatter, reddit or the betfair forum

Netanyahu served in the IDF for 5 years.  He's brave.  Trump nah

There’s 1,300 KM of a line of contact with Russia in the Ukraine

Good luck with defending that Europe!

Shat has hit the fan in the US as Pumps Terror Advisor has resigned saying that there was NO I’m imminent threat from Iran!
Says he can’t go along with the war and that Israel pressed Pump into it!

Oh dear!

Cider, what do you think the numbers are beside the info on wikipedia?

Mental age of its readers. Or alternatively, hot links to source information that people quoting from wikipedia should be using instead.

Netanyahu:

Major Operations: Participated in numerous raids during the 1967–70 War of Attrition, including the Battle of Karameh (1968) and the raid on Lebanon (1968).
Wounded in Action: He was shot in the shoulder during the rescue of Hijacked Sabena Flight 571 in May 1972.
Yom Kippur War (1973): Returned from the United States to fight in the Yom Kippur War as a reservist.
Family Connection: His brother, Yonatan Netanyahu, was killed leading the 1976 Entebbe rescue mission

Trump
Donald Trump received a medical deferment for bone spurs in his heels in 1968.  In 2019 congressional testimony, Trump's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, stated under oath that Trump had acknowledged to advisors he "made up a fake injury to avoid military service, because 'I wasn't going to Vietnam'". When asked for medical records, Trump provided none and said there was no surgery.
Donald Trump has been accused of rape, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, including non-consensual kissing or groping, by at least 28 women since the 1970s
The New York Times has reported that President Donald Trump received a minimum of $413 million from his father over the years, much of it through questionable tax evasions, including outright fraud.

Brave scores out of 10

Netanyahu 9/10
Trump 0/10

Joe Kent, a former political candidate with connections to right-wing extremists and the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, announced his resignation on Tuesday, citing his concerns about the justification for military strikes in Iran and saying he “cannot in good conscience” back the Trump administration’s war.

Kent said on social media that Iran “posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby.”

Joe Kent:
By September 2003, following his training, Kent was deployed to Iraq, where he fought in the First Battle of Fallujah, and searched for Iraqi officials. He served eleven combat tours including deployments in Yemen and north Africa before retiring.

Delashay & Cider  certainly have their opinions on SKS and truth be told he certainly aint covered himself in glory with gaffs galore since becoming PM but that's irrelevant on this matter.The idiot who caused all this mess is Tango Trump aided by his partner in crime Netanyahu. Yes Iran is a despicable regime but the current regimes of USA and Israel are hardly paragons of virtue either. DO we need another IRAQ circa 2003 onwards where british lives were lost needlessly? no we dont!

As mentioned above by another poster this is USA & Israels mess, so its for them to rectify the mess they have made including resolving the SOH blockage.

It doesn't matter how much evidence there is that Trump is a complete fraud, and a completely odious individual, who continually spouts BS, his base supporters never falter.

It's not a mess, magnum. Obviously that's the narrative the legacy media want to portray, as they will try to undermine anything Trump is involved with.

I've asked several times on here for people who are proponents of Starmer's positive actions in regard to Iran, and as yet there is only tumbleweed.

As deleshay has outlined, Starmer already committed our troops to go into Ukraine.

If Starmer has done something positively good in regard to the activity in Iran, explicitly what is it ?

Mar 17, 2026 -- 3:58PM, Cider wrote:

It's not a mess, magnum. Obviously that's the narrative the legacy media want to portray, as they will try to undermine anything Trump is involved with. I've asked several times on here for people who are proponents of Starmer's positive actions in regard to Iran, and as yet there is only tumbleweed. As deleshay has outlined, Starmer already committed our troops to go into Ukraine.

Not a mess? tell that to the good folk in NI who mostly use Heating Oil to heat their homes who have seen prices go thru the roof since this started, that's just for starters, who knows what other bad omens & price hikes await the rest of us further down the road with this war.

Never said SKS had done anything good regards to this war, but what i referred to in an earlier post he hasn't made matters worse which i'm  certain would have been the case had that far right good for nothing Trump fanboy Farage had been PM.

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If Starmer has done something positively good in regard to the activity in Iran, explicitly what is it ?

He has kept us out of it. It is not our fight and it is an illegal war.

In fact, lets go to 7 December 1941. "A day which will live in infamy" as per FDRs speech on 8 December 1941.
Japan attacked Pearl Harbour before declaring war. (though they did actually try, but the Japanese ambassador was deliberately kept waiting) This was a very important propaganda coup and gave the US the moral high ground for everything that came after.

Now roll forward to 2026 - The US have attacked thousands of sites in Iran, killed their leader, wounded his successor, killed thousands of Iranian military and civilians, sunk their destroyer returning from an international naval exercise, watched their sailors drown,  and still have not declared war, all on the whim of their president who "had a feeling Iran was going to attack", and  found he could go to war without consulting Congress, by not actually declaring war.

Oh, but they attacked our Sovereign base area in Cyprus. Well yes they did, but actually they attacked the American installations there, as has been reported by a number of sources, and then several days later, we find that missile was launched from Lebanon. Luck or intelligent targeting? Intelligent targeting imo.
Then theres the "shame" of Spain, France and Greece defending Cyprus before we can. Well actually Cyprus is an EU member (unlike us), is 50%  Greek, and Spain and France are a hell of a lot closer that we are, so no surprises there then. Also HMS Dragon was having an engine refit, so what do you want us to do? Tow it there?

You also ask about Marines going to Norway. This happens every year for Exercise Cold Response. Our Royal Marines are expert in Arctic warfare. Nothing unusual, nothing sinister, nothing to see here apart from a red herring.

Trump is now openly talking about attacking Cuba. Where does it end for this holder of the FIFA peace prize?

TRUMP just said live from the Whitehouse
IRAN were 2 weeks away from having a nuclear bomb
12 months in Whitehouse in a live prezza,TRUMP said he,d put back irans nuclear ambitions by around 30 yrs
the bloke,s  a moron who need,s  sectioning and anyone backing him should be in the cell next door ,
trump thinks asylum seekers have escaped from  mental institutions
trump thinks an INCURSION in to IRAN for example is an EXCURSION on a charrabang
trump yesterday thought nursing homes were nurseries full of little kids
he,s just said after starting an illegal war the security adviser he appointed is an idiot who,s not very good at security advice   
he,s an absolute weapons grade moron  with the brain of a 5 yr old, anyone treating him as a sane adult is a member of the cult
apologies to any 5 yr olds out there

His devotees believe everything he says 1tp.

It makes you wonder once again how stupid his average supporter is.  But when you think about it, if that applies to the average devotee, half his supporters are even more stupid than that.

Iran has repeatedly threatened other countries, mostly Israel and that alone is enough to wipe that regime off the face of the earth.

Btw reg,Iraq was Shia majority under Saddam but he ran propaganda suggesting it was a Sunni majority, his party was so called socialist and supposedly  secular.

His big thing was Arab unity but it did not involve the Shia or more likely just not under the Ayatolla.

At end of day very few understand the history of the tribes, saddam was an evil dictator on one hand but on another introduced free health care and woman's rights, problem is that neck of woods is a graveyard for ideaolgy.

Whilst the merkans helped Iraq they also sold weapons to Iran in the contra scandal.
Pretty fckd up imo and whilst saddam went rogue and merkan led coalition invaded, they stopped short and let them off hook, never went into Baghdad.

That always puzzled me, why didn't they go in?


That aside I hope the Iranian people can get control and the country can prosper.
The oil price can go as high as it likes, sooner the transition away from it the better and a high price will keep the renewables top of energy policy for a any sane thinking uk mp.

As for USA and UK relations, one min starmer is flying out to hand deliver a royal invitation then appointing mandy and now not backing merka.

It's like summit out of a carry on film, in fact starmer is a joke figure and will never be statesman like, just making it up as he goes along, never sounds convincing and all the alternatives are scary.

Were pretty much been fckd over by the two party system although the Conservatives done far more than Labour ever will for ordinary folk.

Starmer will be easy to forget, will fade to gray quicker than a rat up a drainpipe.

The Iranians went to Zurich ready for a deal but it seems the Isreali lacks in  the room (Kush and wit) had been instructed by their gov to turn everything down. They didn't even take scientists to explain the nuclear stuff!
The right have and are now very much making themselves look very stupid win this and shows just how much they jump despite the orange fool obv having no plan for anything especially  Hormuz etc. Maga is ripping itself apart over this!

Unfortunately, that caused the weakening of Iraq, which in turn promoted the strengthening of Iran.
..Sunni v Shia stuff

No No it isn't at all and this stupidness is at the heart of 'the rights' issue here. Iran is Shia (go and read about Zoroastrianism) while Saudi is Sunni - Iraq is both with  shia Maj but the Baath were Sunni and in charge. We didn't know who the f to support and ended up with Bush's mess.
Can I remind you that Trump didn't even try to lie and make sheet up -  he's just said he had a feeling and started the war. Iran was/is nowhere near a nuclear bomb. The right really needs to take a look at what Trump and his acolytes actually say happened (to do with everything not just this!) and decide if these people are sane!

Magnum I do have my opion on him and have never said let’s go join in on this campaign, I don’t like his continual fear of upsetting people.
That fear rules over any morals he might have.

JRAS I’m aware that they are trained in Artic warfare, the report that I heard said that they had been deployed for safety, it didn’t mention any training, I’ve just relayed what I heard.

No mention on the Russian ship off of our coast.

That we only have one boat to send to Cyprus is a shambles as is putting ex soldiers on trial.

It’s quite funny that Starmer has so many fans out there, he’s basically fallen into the position that he’s in on this situation by default!
We were never asked to join the attack from the start!

He actually made no choice on that.

Yes he chose not to let the US use the bases, I think that that’s wrong. Why? Because he’s actually allowing it now so another U Turn that was unnecessary for the sake of relations.

Do I trust Pump to stand by us? No he’s shown with Ukraine that he’s willing to move the goal posts at any time.

A good day for Starmer the buffoon yesterday. He's beyond a parody of himself.

He took 'not answering the question' to another level. The Speaker's not fit for purpose.

No different from all Tango Mans sycophants squirming when asked awkward questions Yesterday.

Tango Man's way out of his depth now imo, praying the Iranians rise up against the Clerics, can't see that happening anytime soon.

Starmer is an embarrassment, but that's ok, coz coz coz coz Trump

ffs is that the best you can do

No need to any better as I don't think he is an embarrassment, at least how he has conducted himself during the illegal war.

GLASGOWCALLING • March 19, 2026 1:06 PM GMT
No need to any better as I don't think he is an embarrassment, at least how he has conducted himself during the illegal war.

I have a cork for that hole in your head Glasg!


Like the caveat to your full support of the worst PM ever!
…” at least how he has conducted himself during the illegal war.”

At least he knows how to breathe. Although there's probably a process for that too, after having run it past Morgan.

Mar 19, 2026 -- 2:19PM, Delashay wrote:

GLASGOWCALLING • March 19, 2026 1:06 PM GMTNo need to any better as I don't think he is an embarrassment, at least how he has conducted himself during the illegal war.I have a cork for that hole in your head Glasg! Like the caveat to your full support of the worst PM ever! …” at least how he has conducted himself during the illegal war.”

Is this a wind up??? worst PM ever?? come off it! that title must surely go to the 49day queen! i grant you SKS won't rank highly in greatest PM lists in years to to come and has made his fair share of gaffs [in fairness to him  so have the previous tory PMs over the last 15yrs] but i'll give him some credit on  not kowtowing to the orange lunatic across the pond over this crazy war.

He wasn’t asked to attack Iran, you’re giving him false praise!

She wasn’t in long enough to make the amount of mistakes that this guy has made!

Delashay • March 18, 2026 10:01 AM GMT
It’s quite funny that Starmer has so many fans out there, he’s basically fallen into the position that he’s in on this situation by default!
We were never asked to join the attack from the start!

He actually made no choice on that.

Yes he chose not to let the US use the bases, I think that that’s wrong. Why? Because he’s actually allowing it now so another U Turn that was unnecessary for the sake of relations.



Another fan comes out of the woodwork!

magnum89 • March 19, 2026 1:39 PM GMT


but i'll give him some credit on  not kowtowing to the orange lunatic across the pond over this crazy war.

Will you give him any credit for the idea of sending our troops to peace keep in Ukraine?

I’ve yet to hear if anyone thinks that that is great idea!

Mar 19, 2026 -- 2:57PM, Delashay wrote:

He wasn’t asked to attack Iran, you’re giving him false praise! She wasn’t in long enough to make the amount of mistakes that this guy has made! Delashay • March 18, 2026 10:01 AM GMTIt’s quite funny that Starmer has so many fans out there, he’s basically fallen into the position that he’s in on this situation by default!We were never asked to join the attack from the start!He actually made no choice on that.Yes he chose not to let the US use the bases, I think that that’s wrong. Why? Because he’s actually allowing it now so another U Turn that was unnecessary for the sake of relations. Another fan comes out of the woodwork!

Myself an SKS fan?? scroll back.....you clearly missed the part where i said i aint an SKS fan..........quite honestly the current crop of MPs are no good that includes ALL parties.......with some far worse than others.

'and has made his fair share of gaffs'
Far more than his fair share tbh, he looks a shell of a man.
He's regarded as a useful idiot to those wanting Labour gone,

Worst general election winner in history. And Treason May won one

But he has tripped over the situation whereby there is an even bigger idiot in town and now he's finally stood up to him he's realized it's doing him some good and the longer this mess goes on and Trump gets deeper into the brown stuff the better anyone opposed to him looks by default.

I wonder how well Hegseth's "f**k yeah America" pressers will age as more and more dead bodies are brough home?

if only hed made fewer gaffes and built a few gaffs

Starmer  , how anyone can justify him as a PM , beggers belief.

Even though I believe Sir Shameless is clueless and unfit for purpose, and the worst PM in my lifetime I'd have asked the Cabinet colleague 1st out of respect, then the EU. If I remember correctly President Trump did say "America" does not need the UK" and its European and NATO allies.

President Trump is the most narcissistic leader in the world. He's running his Presidency like a private company in the corporate world. But, for being the potus he'd be a back-number and an ineffective President in the world.

President Trump needs to factor in that his Presidency is only for another 3 years. Post his Presidency he'd be subject to political and corporate governance legal issues.

There’s worse waiting in the wings with f@g & beer in hand…..a dreadful looking individual

Uk is in decline because the population are cowards.

Trump, and Starmer's resistance to him is currently doing more for his PR than he could have ever dreamed of.

Look at the little creep in the capital ignoring the vermin…..probably hates the uk but loves the lifestyle and cash….

Statement on air strike against Houthi military facility in Yemen: 29 April 2025
Royal Air Force participates in operation targeting a Houthi military facility in Yemen.

How strange starmer had no Isues getting our Air force involved against this IRGC Proxy that was hitting a few Ships

Yet wants nowt to do With the Tyrants who have murdered thousands and are attacking everyone within range

I would love someone to explain the difference to me , I see none bar the IRGC being a far greater threat than their proxy was in Yemen

i wonder who he is not trying to upset ?

Chicken nuggets story tells all we need to know about this cesspit..

But he has tripped over the situation whereby there is an even bigger idiot in town and now he's finally stood up to him he's realized it's doing him some good and the longer this mess goes on and Trump gets deeper into the brown stuff the better anyone opposed to him looks by default.

He hasn't 'stood up to him'. He only obfuscated and needed to run it past his puppet masters, ultimately ceding. In the meantime he has irritated the only people that could/would defend us in a hot war.

Tremendous.

“has made his fair share of gaffs [in fairness to him  so have the previous tory PMs over the last 15yrs] but i'll give him some credit on  not kowtowing to the orange lunatic across the pond over this crazy war.”

So with this former track record of support, would you back a horse on his word?

Keir Starmer has 'full confidence' in Angela Rayner amid row over house sale
28 Mar 2024, 11:30 | Updated: 28 Mar 2024

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/keir-starmer-angela-rayner-house-row-labour-manchester-5HjcggG_2/

Starmer insists he has confidence in Mandelson as relationship with Epstein faces scrutiny
The UK ambassador to the US has faced heavy scrutiny over his relationship with disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.


Faith Ridler
Politics reporter @FaithLRidler
Wednesday 10 September 2025 18:30, UK

Starmer insists he has confidence in Mandelson as relationship with Epstein faces scrutiny
The UK ambassador to the US has faced heavy scrutiny over his relationship with disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

https://news.sky.com/story/peter-mandelson-regrets-very-deeply-continuing-relationship-with-epstein-far-longer-than-i-should-have-13427992



Now tell me that this guy should be making decisions for any of us?!

So with this former track record of support, would you back a horse on his word?

I have full faith in…

I have full faith in…

The day after they went!

Keep the faith!

Mar 19, 2026 -- 9:36PM, Delashay wrote:

So with this former track record of support, would you back a horse on his word?I have full faith in… I have full faith in… The day after they went! Keep the faith!

OK Delashay amongst this rabble in westminster who should be calling the shots then?.....seems to me you profess to be correct about everything

The thing is, all of those above examples although with merit don't matter one jot with regards to this because a situation has arisen where Starmer can get back all his losses or at the very least enjoy a degree of popularity simply by "appearing" to be standing up to Trump.

Mags I’m sorry that you think that, obviously that’s not the case, I just see that he’s taking credit for something that he had no choice over to begin with.

Duffy this guy stands up to no one, he’s ruled by his back benchers and is afraid to upset people here of a certain way.

It seems that 20 planned and thwarted plots by Iranian backed proxies or the RIG, if we are to believe the reports here isn’t enough reason to strike them?

Personally I’m not a fan of taking the sitting duck stance or talking about legality with people who have a total disregard for law and decency.

Your other question I have no answer to Mags, they are much the like and sometimes it’s better the devil you know, because the one that’s desperate for power would be an even bigger embarrassment for this country on the international stage than Pump and she’s orange too!

The motley crew of a narcissist. They are more suited in a courtroom answering a conspiracy charge to defraud and intimidation of witnesses.

JRAS • March 17, 2026 5:04 PM GMT

You also ask about Marines going to Norway. This happens every year for Exercise Cold Response. Our Royal Marines are expert in Arctic warfare. Nothing unusual, nothing sinister, nothing to see here apart from a red herring.

The defence secretary has just addressed this, turns out that 500 troops were used.

Submarines and Russian activity off of our coast is the news today, sounds very sinister to me.

Remember when I told you all about this?

• March 17, 2026 11:39 AM GMT
My friend an ex neighbour from London has a second house in the West Country, she tells me you hear big military planes high up and that it’s building up. As well as about the Russian ship off of the coast of Minehead.

That we sent 200 Marines to Norway but no one knows why is interesting, shouldn’t we be looking out for us here?

We can’t even protect our own border (the Russian ship a mile and half off of our coastline) but are sending troops abroad so I do laugh negatively when he talks of protecting us all.

Have a good day all.

Been confirmed now by the Defence Secretary.

And he’s lied!  Just said that there were , “Russian incursions into our wider waters, in and out of our exclusive economic zone, just to be clear not in our nearby shore territorial waters.”

That’s not what reported.

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/defence/royal-navy-helicopter-russia-under...

Neil Clark, journalist & author:

On the day that an unhinged US President threatened to genocide 91.5m people we will always remember that Keir Starmer’s main priority was preventing a rapper from travelling to Britain for a music festival.

President Trump is treating the USA as his own personal fiefdom and business entity. A disgruntled or perceived sinned-entity / individual will be subject to a higher tariff, ostracised or publicly shamed. The man is super-egoistic and a narcissist.

President Trump is even doubted by the world in animosity with the tyrannic regime of Iran. Which sane entity let alone international diplomacy would engage Pakistan as a go-between in a war.

Pakistan is the country where Bin Ladan managed to hide for 7 sevens since 911. The country is as corrupt and untrustworthy as any country ruled by a despot or a pariah.

Corrupt ? How do so many people from there hold positions of power in the UK, if that is the case  ?

That is easily managed. Just saturate (strategically) their own kind in a place to win eg East London, Wembley, etc. Even the dip-stick Mr Khan (his former law colleagues reckoned he was a nondescript laywer) could reign as The Mayor of London for so many years being an MP in Parliament will be a walk in the park in comparison.

Put these S Asian MPs outside London eg Sutton / Sutton even Wallington, Mitcham or Croydon these MPs will be history.