JP hoss 1.8 > 7/2 Pre..onugo

rancid

rangood

It has never been easier to manipulate BF Markets at small Meetings if you have sufficient funds to obtain the SP desired

indeed

if this thing had not won its obvious what the reaction would have been

something frequently ignored

Yes,it would have been a claim of rancid either way

Not really, as inside info is not always this one is going to be hooked. It could be for example that we'll see how it goes on the debut for the yard, we'll win if we can but we won't give it a hard race. Or we don't fancy it on heavy going.

There was a Skelton one that drifted all day, clearly it was out for a run as the priority. But it was able to win on the bridle. ie the info was right, but the horse was still able to win.

Bon Viveur 6.0 out to 25.0

Looked as good as any ir not that the market budged

and again thurles

14/1 mullins from about 5 in 4 runner race

they didnt know

You obviously get algorithms that follow the real money.

The yard info is not always accurate. They can will when they aren't fancied (and flop when they are)

thanks for that insight

The "real money" is certainly not on here

where is it then?

If you could explain how the hell anything or anyone can work out what is/was 'real money ', and what wasn't ,I would be grateful !
I won't hold my breath !

Fay has now had 3 big drifters recently. One goosed two win

It is impossible to know where real money is other than to state you cannot get it on BF at these Meetings.
There are more unregulated Bookmakers abroad than Boat Ponces landing here.

I suspect the insight trumps this.

14/1 mullins from about 5 in 4 runner race

nope

if you read what went before youd see i was merely pointing out, again, how the markets are impossible to use as a guide to whats likely to happen



unregulated books are even less likely to accommodate anyone trying to get a chunk on

That rather depends where the unregulated Books are,Busy.
Andrew Rhodes also thought that they were an exaggeration

You're wrong though. I'm telling you that a horse drifting out to 7/2 from odds on doesn't mean it's guaranteed to lose. And nobody sensible thinks that it will. It means that there are players in the market with information that isn't public (usually), which is negative for said drifter.

It happens in maidens and novices a lot. eg a horse has had two uninspiring runs and needs another run to get a mark. Only the connections know if that's the case, or it will be off for its life as they think the race is weak and won't get a bad mark if it wins. So it could go off at 12/1 or 5/2, but initially it will be priced up like it's out for a float around to get a mark. I suppose that Pumpkin one from Tuesday is a good example. It's either off for its life or getting in a qualifying one for Cheltenham.

I never said that it did,Cider.
I simply stated how BF Markets can be manipulated.
If all drifters got beat it would be pointless

It was in reply to mf

thats what i was saying, not for the 1st time, you berk

happens all the time. big drifters winning but when they lose up goes the cry 'rancid'

Presvis is still my go to one lol. They hooked a horse on its third run that had group 1 ability. And yes, it drifted

I would suggest that anybody who thinks that they can second guess JP's runners will be in for disappointment in the long run

Yes but you are concluding that it follow the info that shifted the market was wrong. I'm telling you that it doesn't mean it was.

rhodes must fall

hes a total tw@t and never had a real job and knows nothing about gambolling, like every one of the wanchors in there with him


you might get on with an unregulated exchange

The Skelton one I am alluding too wasn't trying to get beat. The market knew it wasn't going to get a hard race. The info was right, but they still got tanned.

95% of big drifters loose.

Yup. Sometimes owners/trainers etc don't bet as they truly don't know. Sometimes they will come in. Most the time, they are in the know, against it and it's schooling around. One spring doesn't make a swallow !

With the Mullins one you can easily see them not betting it and being flabbergasted that it went off the price it did