Not withstanding I like his 5.00 selection Faithful Dream,as the saying goes u have to have faith
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What is his profit playing to BFSP opposed to mythical bookie prices which no one can get on ?
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Exactly….
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BOG ?
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I have no axe to grind for Hugh Taylor but the constant griping about not being able to get on at the prices really grinds my gears.
The guy is putting up picks at prices that are available to all before he posts. It's not his fault that prices shorten up. What's more his column includes explanations and he's even described what he does as having an element of demonstrating an approach. I'm sure he wouldn't be putting up the majority of the same selections at lower odds. All his results are clearly visible and he doesn't shirk or play safe in losing runs. OK, it's annoying when he nicks a price for one you're interested in, but short of just not existing as a feature, there's nothing to be done about that. There is plenty to learn from his scripts and his methods. If you want the benefit, do some work and get ahead of him. I'm not a professional and have no inside knowledge, so I try to emulate him and measure my own punting against his standards. It hasn't been a bad strategy down the years. |
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I should add of course, that your accounts won't last long, but again, not his fault.
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The moment the Books get to know a Hugh or Ricketwise selection the price goes without a copper coin being Layed.
It is irrelevant to me as I have never backed a horse other than on my own judgement. It is a fair question to ask what the P&L would be at BFSP |
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steerforth,surely bet 365 would lay him bets for as much he wants,he must be singing in the rain.
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Hugh did have a response a while back for those enquiring about his betfair SP + / -
"If you'd backed every horse in GB handicaps with 14 or more runners over the last 5 years you'd have made a loss of over 4,000 points at SP - and a profit of over 80 points at BFSP! BFSP can randomly turn moderate tipsters into apparently good ones. It's no guide at all." |
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What Hugh didn't state though, is what the + / - would have been if you'd backed those same horses at the top price on the oddschecker grid at 9 am in the morning!
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See a bit with him on ATR good while back.
Comes across as a down to earth fella. |
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MFraudy was a tipster fanatic who always got on every winner put up at the best price by every tipster known to man.
In reality you would do well to get two bets on before A/C closed. Hugh seems to know his stuff and it is merely the prices claimed that are abject nonsense |
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Steerforth....what is "didactic utility"...bl00dy hell, I don't think I'm thick but I've never heard of that
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thats because its unlikely the words have been used in conjunction and its possible that they are a non sequitur
but i will grant him the possiblity Hugh is a teacher, although having never seen his column i dont know |
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Sorry - "you can use it to learn from". Clearly as a tipping colums it has very little use other than that.
Irons - so you back winner at 20/1 that starts at 5/1. Was the price you took "abject nonsense" or were you identifying a bit of value? If you did that regularly on a public website and the price disappeared as soon as you put it up, would that turn the price into "abject nonsense"? He's not making these prices up. He's taking them from offers out there in real life. Yes he's making them disappear, but they're there to be taken before the value reveals itself. There is plenty more value to be found that he doesn't put up. Its just market influence that is in play here, not an inherently flawed approach. |
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Are you deliberately being obtuse Steerforth?
The prices claimed are,in reality,mythical. |
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why hasnt he ever went to a pro tipster with subs i wonder?
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Mel Collier.
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When the RP was being printed in Wapping I knew some lads working there (25/30yrs) ago telling me that the printers were backing them as they came off the press, not sure who the tipsters were then.
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That was when people could actually get bets on Glasgow.
Those days are long gone |
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.... It was, I think the shops went through a spell of letting £50 max bets on Pricewise for about an hour.
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And then they fluked getting the FOBT's
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Glasgow, there was a spell about 15 years ago where the baldy shops would let you take the original odds in the price wise grid ...from 9am to 915am all prices would revert and you could put them in multiples as well
So, a tipped up horse that had been cut from 25s to 8s would be 25s again for that 15 minute period, before being cut again It was hectic in some shops on a Saturday or Festival day It really was a great concession, sadly only lasted a couple of years |
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Regbutler, yes, those PW guaranteed windows were great but were sunk by Betfair. In the 80s and 90s, you would read Pricewise then work out whether you believed him enough to risk a bet. Then it changed to back all his tips and then take a couple of hours to choose between holding them or laying them back for a profit on the machine.
I might be a tad bitter having once been sent flying across a Hills shop by a cab driver rushing to get £250 on. At the Festivals, I think it was Corals who said one year that boosted prices during their eve of Cheltenham preview were being snapped up not by ordinary racegoers but by mob-handed ring bookies and their workmen. And that's why we can't have nice things. |
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why hasnt he ever went to a pro tipster with subs i wonder?
family man who prefers the security of salary and pension over the stress of going solo shirley |
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He could lose every month for a year and still have a job at ATR, his subscribers wouldn't last that long tho, no brainer, and he gets free trades every day, any winners a nice bonus.
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For my sins i was with Isiris many moons ago, when an advice was given out the price had often gone before i put the phone down
 The same would be true for Hugh if he went the tipping line route and subscribers would have no chance of turning a profit. Also I believe he only gives out tips on ATR's website on weekdays now as he wants the weekends off. He also has quite a few weeks off a year as well. |
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ATR website
At The Races have agreed to a change to my working days for this column as of this year. Whilst this job has always been a labour of love rather than being remotely onerous, it does require a fair commitment of time, and after 16 years of producing a column for seven days a week, I wanted to give myself more time with my family, as the nature of working every day means that there have been limitations on what I could do with them, especially in terms of things like short trips away etc. With that in mind, I’m no longer going to do a column on weekends (with the exception of Royal Ascot Saturday) and will instead be doing my column from Monday to Friday only. I’m grateful to At The Races for their support in this matter. |
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Seems reasonable.
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A fair judge of form and the only problem I ever had was the ludicrous prices claimed which were almost certainly nothing to do with Hugh
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Not sure how the prices are "nothing to do with Hugh" - he's taking them from available lists; whether they are available 2 seconds after they are posted doesn't alter that fact.
But a more meaningful approach would be to give a recommended mimimum acceptable price. If that price is never available to real money after the selection goes up on ATR, then don't count the bet in the results. But none of that negates the quality of the expertise in spotting a value price that exists. If he never published a word, the market wouldn't move; (at least not for the same reason), and anyone who had reached the same conclusion, could step in and take it. |
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"The claimed prices for the column",steerforth,you pedant.
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Just another who digs a winner ……Zzzzzzzz,no spreadsheets,prices ew etc……load of p imv.
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Had a terrible start to 2026 did Sir Hugh.
31 losing selections from 32 picks, with just the one 7/2 winner. Long way to go though. |
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long losing runs are inevitable considering the odds range he tips at.
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Tempting fate here Leif,Apache has run well at Newcastle in class 2
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long losing runs are inevitable considering the odds range he tips at.
16 were advised at 5.5 or less but I get your point. |