Il Etait Temps

I thought was slightly underpriced near 2/1 in pl market w/o was 3.4-3.6 but for peanuts expected around 9/4 pl & 3/1 w/o

was trading 3.4 near off & 4.2 w/o cant remember exact bsp for pl

it didn't get it easy and still placed. so it was an incorrect call, regardless of price. but most of us who have pre event calls get plenty wrong !

you weren't watching then cider

gidleigh made mistake 2nd fence had soft lead there on

unfortunately I was as I backed it to win after the drift lol

didn't get it easy, was taken on. sure he saw them off eventually, but that was probably why he didn't have quite enough to see off strong staying jb. I thought Harry gave it every chance, no complaints, good losing ride.

The time to criticise a bet is pre off not aftertime,WP

too true. but also wsb doesn't want to concede he called it wrong lol

gidleigh & jonbon were upsides 1st fence then they rounded the bend carver took a pull then made a bad mistake 2nd fence presumably tweaked something
jonbon & fav made mistakes when attempting to press 2nd's good jumping meant lead wasn't contested

the fav didn't show up, arguably as TA got him out of his comfort zone. but once that happened, a pl in a 4 runner race is looking in jeopardy.

After all,who could have foreseen Il Etait Temp falling for the first time?

its a losing bet cider grow up...seems like you don't like being challenged on the bs you post either

he didn't get an easy lead. period ;)

"It seems like Cider doesn't like being challenged".
Never been a truer statement

Cider • January 17, 2026 4:30 PM GMT
the fav didn't show up, arguably as TA got him out of his comfort zone

except jonbon did that to him too & that doesn't tally with previous evidence
so its clearly all about how bad the fav run & nothing to do with TA

I didn't make a pre race call on this event. I wasn't confident TA would win but I thought 10+ was worth a shot and highly likely tradable.

I think claiming TA got an easy lead is desperate. Everyone who makes pre event calls gets it wrong sometimes.

we just have to take his word for it uti...ignore tangible evidence

particularly if it suggests to the contrary

I thought you might have something to say Irons!

And you were correct,WP.

You can learn a lot about the the bets you place after a race. Losing bets will teach you much more than your winnings one's

I love being challenged.

I can be stubborn, and persistent, for sure.

But when a 2 mile four runner chase is ran, and three of them are upsides being pushed into the first, if someone claims the horse that won that battle for the lead got it easy. Yup, I'm going to tell them that they are deluded.

Every forum has its resident Pub bore who thinks his opinion is 100% the correct one........

carver took a pull cider after the 1st then gidleigh made a race ending mistake 2nd fence
you clearly have zero race reading ability or recall

& as for this

Cider • January 17, 2026 4:40 PM GMT
I love being challenged.

everyone thinks they are right, surely. but if someone claimed today is Sunday, I would tell them they are wrong

Thistle Ask got an easy lead today

Correct,WP.
Step forward Cider

Jan 17, 2026 -- 4:44PM, uptheirons wrote:

Correct,WP.Step forward Cider

I would ask for his analysis of the sectionals when released but I imagine he'll think its not worth quantifying

just accept his view, learn from it & move on

If Jesus Christ appeared to Cider he would argue

Wonder & Irons putting up losing odds on bets in the same race but still giving it the big one....you've gotta love the Betfair forum! haha

you as well. so you think the three upsides, going full bore into the first equates to an easy lead. righty ho.

clearly they set out specifically not to give TA an easy lead. PT was happy to sit off it.

these jockeys might not be top draw but they weren't stupid enough to keep taking him on.

in my world, an easy lead means you're not taken on for the lead. clearly not in UTIs world.

and he jumped into this argument to accuse me of arguing

double

Fav was never going well, even pushed a bit at start.

Didn't jump well, and got back into race only to
make more blunders, ultimately falling.

Possibly too brave for own good today.



Easy lead,... it was flat out, pushing the rest

A easy lead to me is where leader isn't flat out
and able to save a bit.

Uncontested lead, most of the way, might be a better
description.

Everybody who actually bets will inevitably back losers.
No excuses made by me,you aftertimer,WP

it was flat out, pushing the rest

I don't think so but we'll see in the sectionals
wasn't able to record ATR today so haven't got them yet

And there would plenty to argue about...for example, why did your "dad" instruct the Israelites to wipe out all the Canaanites, including the non-combatants, the children and even the animals?

There's something about Ascot that doesn't seem to suit WP Mullins' horses.

Muggy odds on backing bore, say what?

Delashay • August 23, 2025 6:24 PM BST
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uptheirons • August 23, 2025 3:36 PM BST

Fav looks regressive to me.
No bet here

Again NO such opinion given before the race.

uptheirons • January 17, 2026 4:26 PM GMT
The time to criticise a bet is pre off not aftertime,WP

Delbert posts
You cretin,WP.

But that was not a criticism of a pre race bet,WP,was it?

Do you actually bet,WP?

After timing that you didn't back it. Literally giving it the big one after the race. The thing is, I bet you did back it (NAP)

No Irons, I just spend 16 hours per day on the Forum insulting people!

uptheirons 17 Jan 26 17:13 
Do you actually bet,WP?

Much did you lose ?

What has that got to do with a two bobber like you,Aceform?
You claim bets and then cannot post them.
I wonder why?

Anger is not good in the punting game…..

couple yr ago i would have had £5000 on fav..i thort it was a 1/4 chance..i had £500 on today and it was dire.100% irons also bet it.

I couldn’t have it in a million tbh..

You are an absolute cretin,Aceform,who should have been strangled at birth.
Only the dire liquidity at the value price prevented me doing a chunk,Rico
Minus a paltry £600 on the race and delighted to do so.

"formoftheace • January 17, 2026 5:53 PM GMT
I couldn’t have it in a million tbh"..
Care to post your P&L for the day,Aceform

The "run" of il etait temps needs investigating. An 8 year old at the peak of his powers looked beaten after a few strides. Took an age to get up after a knackered fall. Too many mullins horses doing this all season. Brown envelopes???

didnt have a bet but for example in the earlier msates whats the difference between
easy lead
contested lead
pressured from behind etc when yout in 1st place than when the 1st and 2nd favs in the mares race ,are eyeballing,each other,jivying each other along,etc in 3rd and 4th place throughout the entire 2 miles till in the straight,if they did that whilst in 1st and 2nd place,they,d have said it cost them race,didnt get a breather in,at each  other all the trime,interchanging positions, on and off bridle etc etc

Nonsense,Dickster

Il Etait Temps took 13 runs and more than 2 year to achieve a rating above 160. He then ran 4 very good ones in a row but with hindsight is it still really a 160 horse? The 2 standout runs were when beating Jonbon who is still not a reliable yardstick in my book. I would still back Thistle Ask to beat todays opposition on a flat track. He just ran out of gas in the last furlong.

Only a 160 horse,sageform?
Are you on medication?

slickster 17 Jan 26 18:34 
The "run" of il etait temps needs investigating. An 8 year old at the peak of his powers looked beaten after a few strides.

was still 1,4 at halfway..well dickster...copped the jacky.

I was out and not involved today. Was he a superboost with 'Denise'? If so, I'd dodged a bullet. A mistake at the 2nd put paid to his run today. His price of 8/1 for the Champion Chase is tempting.

Never travelled well in race

formoftheace 17 Jan 26 17:53 
I couldn’t have it in a million tbh..

wd dave..4/9 all morn...must have put ewe back in prophet for 2026?

Mullins has form,I think Il Etait Temps wasn’t primed for the race,shoddy jumping from the off,seen the same from Galopin Des Champ
then when the big race comes a different animal arrives.

Some proper Sharpsters on here

Remember lads "It can't be Dunn"

Hendo quotes

"I thought his record of never being out of the first two was under serious threat today," said winning trainer Nicky Henderson. "I couldn't see how we could win, but they've gone a good gallop and I suppose that's what has helped him really.

"We usually blitz it with him but they were going too fast for him today; but when a bit of bravery and a lot of stamina kicks in, you're back in the game.

What would he know eh :)

taking the discussion a bit further on, I think Mullins thinks (2 leaps of views there) that Majborough is his best chance of the Champion. It is interesting that, despite 2 moderate efforts, Maj was still only 7's-ish b4 today. Now 5/1. I will no doubt be proven the fool I am, but I have a strong feeling Maj will be a different horse at DRF and Cheltenham. Just the bloody fences in the way......

Il Etait Temps looked very small when jumping at Cheltenham in the Arkle.
And again today looked small over the big fences at Ascot.

Glad to see he got up OK.

jonbon 1.5-2l behind TA for most of the race hardly run off his feet
its only when they quicken turning in he's initially outpaced clearly wants further now

the fact you are quoting a blind man says it all cider

tanglefoot • January 17, 2026 8:07 PM GMT
Mullins has form,I think Il Etait Temps wasn’t primed for the race,shoddy jumping from the off,seen the same from Galopin Des Champ
then when the big race comes a different animal arrives.

What Planet do you live on?

shoddy jumping,never travelled et al...was 1.4 at 1/2 way..some in this fred must have copped the lot.

Jan 17, 2026 -- 7:45PM, impossible123 wrote:

I was out and not involved today. Was he a superboost with 'Denise'? If so, I'd dodged a bullet. A mistake at the 2nd put paid to his run today. His price of 8/1 for the Champion Chase is tempting.

9s on here is backable...maybe its had flu jab recently or something like that
energumene run big unders in this when it was run @ HQ a few years back

He never looked comfortable.
Surely you saw that?

Correct, Wonders

temps beat jonbon 9L lto without being asked..today was beaten 3 out...we've seen it all before.

IET run was very similar to that of A Plus Tard in the Betfair a few years ago - beaten after a furlong.
Plenty of rumours about that but nothing ever came out officially.

I thought fav travel ok jump a bit slow on the downhill fences got in tight to 2 out of swinley bottom
gets into contention 2l behind jumping 3 out looks the winner because normally runs on strong at the end
but finds nothing & has a slow tired fall

Jan 17, 2026 -- 8:40PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:

temps beat jonbon 9L lto without being asked..today was beaten 3 out...we've seen it all before.

yep its run miles below form rico jonbon likely run his race

1.49 sp seen some mullins horses striped on here this ssn run deplorably although maybe could have been shorter certainly wasn't weak

indeed Rico/Wonder. And kicked him into touch at Sandown. Then battered Gaelic Warrior at Punchestown. A poor run from a horse who normally does ok even when he gets beat. Odd today. I didn't play. 2m chase races comfortably my worst betting races. W shall see but I couldn't have for the CC.

i had 2 bob on today..still thort would win 3 out..but was woeful.

Odd on he was nobbled imo but we will never find out - racing has too much to lose.

A Plus Tard was never the same horse after Haydock so will be interesting to see if IET can bounce back.

we must be the same age-ish Rico. I use the unit of " a bob" to describe an interest. Also "a flabby". Or " a button".

A top quality 8 year old in the form of his life should not be lying on the ground for nearly 10 minutes after an exhausted fall. It doesn't happen. Unless "they" did something untoward shall we say. Whatever they did it amounts to horse cruelty as he clearly wasn't able to run on it merits. Bearing in mind he would be in practically every docket up and down the land. Mmm....

Ground looked very soft and sticky, which clearly affected his jumping. Assuming the horse is ok I'd give the fav another go against the first two at Cheltenham.

Hendo will have spoken to the jockey who rode the winner, and got feedback with regard to how the race went for him. Unlike sore odds against place lay losers on the betfair forum !

4 secs slow against rp standard.

chase track has been quicker than described for most recent meetings @ ascot

no worse than g/s today hurdle course a bit softer

Considering people are commenting on how fast the leader was going and they were still slower than standard I would suggest the ground was softer than described. I would also suggest that was the reason Jonbon was able to catch the leader. However we'll never know if thats the case.

MJK. soft and sticky.
Watching from a tv screen!!!!

Times say it was good to soft at worst. Maybe slightly quicker.

The fences are too big for him. Simple as that.

softer than soft ground with jonbon 4s above std vincenzo 6s above std 2m 5f & with a bit of added yardage too
...physically impossible

yes bran concur with you re chase track times g/s worst you could call it prob between good & g/s

I just thought IET was out of this comfort zone throughout due to the faster pace he wasn’t used to. Very similar to when he ran in Arkle and struggled to keep up behind GW.
His previous 3 races where he showed a potent turn of foot to win were steady affairs while today race put his jumping under pressure throughout.

^ this

dickster get a grip ya silleekhúnt...even if 3 people knew it woundnt win it wouldnt have been anywhere near 2/5 ffs.

You can’t analyse anything till it’s happened ? Just reacting to the outcome and why it might have played out like it did.

Why was Il Etait Temps below form?

His jumping will go down as one of the reasons for this defeat, but why was he not at his best in that department?
Rain had turned the ground soft and his very best form – his Tingle Creek-winning form last time out – came on quicker conditions, while this was run at a high tempo of the sort he has simply not been used to.
Timeform records show his lowest finishing speed over fences prior to Saturday was 101.9% in the Arkle at the Cheltenham Festival, when he was third to Gaelic Warrior, and it could be that such a quick pace found him out.
On top of this, Ascot remains a true jumping test, the fences still catch good horses out like other top-level tracks simply don’t, and this diminutive little grey might just have found it all too much.
Mind you, Gidleigh Park is at the other end of the physical specimen scale and he struggled as well.
Out to 8/1 for the Champion Chase at the Cheltenham Festival, it’s too early to be striking lines through him for such a contest.
But seeing him struggle here obviously casts a doubt against his credentials and he might want better ground and/or a slightly less frenetic gallop if he’s to bounce back on March 11.

Sporting Life

You can throw in the fact we know that IET hates Cheltenham.

For Jonbon, if that wasn't a step me up to the Ryanair run from him today I don't know what was, FTF is a stumbling block in the same colours of course but we also know that Jonbon isn't the greatest fan of Cheltenham but being able to go a stride slower in what looks a weak race depth wise must be the sensible move.


As Marine Nationale, he went to sleep tonight with a dirty great grin across his chops.