In running liquidity decline discussion

Agree. What would help is paddy & the degenerates taking 1.75 as 1.01. Im now a majority pre race backer sometimes layer. Words that even 2 years ago id never thought I'd be typing.

*stop taking.

The decline has been frightening, there will be very few winners in the last 3rd of the race due to betfair cross matching and the fact no one is prepared to leave in sitting bets.

Most of the I/R have been "carried out" for a multitude of reasons.
Removing the drones would be pointless

If the drones were to stop a certain amount of liquidity would return to the markets.

walofs

Drones useless in this weather anyway, max flight time of 2 minutes & low cloud negate any usefulness they had, added to that Stevie's signal blocking Faraday pouch style signal jammers make using them pointless

Some people were very good at it and most were not. The latter got sick of being poor players. Pretty much it Rico ?

There is so much more opportunity to find a bet when the drone isn't up? The betting zone changes, requires more skill to understand pictures distance etc.

Beggarsbelief it does, beggarsbelief

You would have a tad more Liquidity if the verminous SIS didn't deliberately slow their pics on ATR which will never happen.
Even with BFLV you are 10L behind "Live" at their Courses

Rico do you have any wisdom on why the liquidity is falling off a cliff?

BB..why arnt there any double figure cod caught by rod & line from the north east coastline anymore?

(were plentiful in times gone by)

Ha fair point, can only get worse then

Correct

liquidity is down all over the site because degenerates can only blow £300-£500 a month, probably a weekend's worth of action.

It suits BF

rico how has your p and l held up from 2007/10 to 2026?

six figures ev yr from 2005-2020 2021-2024 5 figgas..last yr 2 bob.

depressing stuff rico

meks nee diff too me..av gorrit.

last fews days pences.

ye well we are playing for 1 pound or 2. so thats not the worst performance

went to another level this week...

"The Land of empty boxes"

aye...mary hopkirk is singing...

kin not kirk

Once upon a time there was a cistern
When we used to raise a grand or two
Remember how we laughed away the hours
Think of all the great things we would do?
Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd punt and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way
La-la-la-da-da-da
La-la-la-da-da-da
Da-da-da-da, la-da-da-da-da

martys sister.

Adapt or die.

Reeekos doing ok.....just moved into knew office

gets bothered by all his friends now though

15k leaves the in running market every week on drones. they make it harder for everyone who plays in running including those who use them.

Wears Jamie and Dixie......they the knew daddies

both counting the nelsons.

125k 3.00 bath

Previous race 2.45

169 at off

Plus 36 in run

7k at 1.01......

The only 4 figs in run

9 mil in 8 minutes on cricket

1.8 to 1.14

Winner 14/1 to 40/1....BSP 70

169.k....214k

5ok lay came in at 1.02 on Solar Edge in the photo at Bath

50k' ^^

hoping for a stewards..

no doubt yes, but still a very unusually high amount in one go

now we get a 90k bet at 1.02 backing Way of Life in the photo, not disputing the wisdom but that is another very unusual figure

1,01 was fair.

IR liquidity decline because of the introduction of RFID tags on horses saddles.

Well anyway, that's what caused me personally to withdraw from the IR horse markets.

My bot ran for about a decade, offering a market, putting up lay bets pre race on every horse in every UK race at between 20% and 50% of it's odds 1 minute before the off.
At those odds some of the bets on some of the horses would get matched by shrewdies, some by the less shrewd as the race played out, cancel everything 2 to 3 furlongs from the finish... simple.
I didn't care if any individual bet was taken by a shrewdie or a mug, all that mattered is the averages calculated pre off.


I wasn't the only one autobetting in-play, there were quite a few ways to skin a cat.


2018 RFID's start to become a thing, the writing is on the wall, late 2019 I switch it off altogether.


The bot using RFID's (the bet taker) now had more info than the bet offeror, so all the bet offerors like myself had to withdraw.
Hence the drastic reduction in IR liquidity.

That and losing punters being unable to reload their A/C's

check the boxes..there is no money in them.

years ago betfair asked on the forum if the 1 scond delay should be removed . 99% of people said yes.

betfair didn't implement it as they said the market makers need it and if it was removed liquidity would drop .

there can't be many market makers now ( apart from betfair ) as liquidity is dire , time to have a trial for a few weeks and remove it

The one second delay is there for the benefit of BF only.
On Coursers finished at RTV Courses because of it

so paudy's playing in-running but he's not interested pre-off ?

Did I say that?
It is blindingly obvious that they heavily seed the pre race Markets

seeding them would suggest they're merely sticking money up "to get the ball rolling".  playing them would be a completely different story, then it just becomes like a bookie.  and he can see everybody's bets, you can't.

if you're running the show, you shouldn't be an active member in the show. 
cos you got information others don't have.  and can bet accordingly.

harold_lloyd 30 Apr 26 18:07 
there can't be many market makers now ( apart from betfair ) as liquidity is dire , time to have a trial for a few weeks and remove it

pmsl at hazza..think ive jussed pi$$ed myself.

pmsl at hazza..think ive jussed pi$$ed myself.

i hear that at your age them things happen pretty easily . try them pads that women use