king george chase 2.30 kempton

Unless you bet ante post a long time before, almost all horse prices on Betfair drift from the time they are first posted until 5 minutes before race time when a couple will plummet in price after you have backed a drifter and often one of those two wins. Bet when they have gone a furlong or jumped an obstacle. The body language of the horses can be a huge help.

Many thanks.  I wasn’t aware of that.  Must be the real time gap in the pictures.

ll ect francais should have won last year will it turn up ready to win who knows banbridge will it turn up ,that leaves jango baie,one of those three.

Just sayin .....' Fast by 1.79 secs '

What a brilliant race!  Absolutely brilliant.

just nuttedbanbridge

just nuttedbanbridge

Thought u were home Foyles

yeah so did i

Well done Harry Rednapp

CagliariG Dec 25 18:33
we have laid Gaelic to lose 120k..maybe bit more.

wd tobymugs.

U lay any off Foyles must have gone short

Delashay • November 28, 2025 3:00 PM GMT
No one like last weeks two easy winners? The Jukebox Man is a beautiful looking horse.

Boooooom!

Thanks guys.

Great result in a pulsating finish. I thought that the last fence had beaten him but he battled back like a very good horse. Needed that after a disappointing day otherwise.

AGREE RICO GREAT STUFF FROM TOBY AND THE GANG

Harry ‘the lash’ reckons he don’t have a shant! Or on,y likes wine as he said on the jungle! That’s funny ‘cos his fridge when at the R’sssss was always full of beer bottles!

Whereas Jimmy Floyd who managed there was as boring as his football when managing, just had herbal tea in his office!

Nice one Harry glad for ya! Cracking race!

It's not a beauty contest Delbert but,you remain the undisputed King of the Aftertimers

Knew Harry well 20 years ago when I was a betting shop manager, always used to have a bet in my shop, decent bloke, love The Jukebox man as well, must be one of the most exciting King Georges I have seen, fantastic race.

just a keep lay nanny ,didnt lay anything off in running too busy shouting it home !or thinking it was home

Dec 26, 2025 -- 2:49PM, john42 wrote:

Knew Harry well 20 years ago when I was a betting shop manager, always used to have a bet in my shop, decent bloke, love The Jukebox man as well, must be one of the most exciting King Georges I have seen, fantastic race.

Agree John was thrilling and I’m pleased for him, the trainer and the jock, nice to see someone else in the limelight.

Can’t help no one else was impressed with him back on the 28th November, you were all asked for an opinion! Not that you’d of put me off!

Nobody wants to debate with you as you are a non betting,aftertiming,C&P cretin.Delbert

And cheer up as well was the King George next year you can look forwards to watching your shower of playing on Boxing Day Irons!

love The Jukebox man as well, must be one of the most exciting King Georges I have seen, fantastic race.

yes...like higher powers saying don't you dare close this place

And Harry winning it. Dream outcome for the suits.

No one like last weeks two easy winners? The Jukebox Man is a beautiful looking horse.

       

.... Come on Irons, you cant even call that an Aftertime, more of a paddock observation imo.

   But yes he did try !

Delbert is very trying,Glasgow

Unlucky FOYLES but stakes preserved for the next one!

Slightly less effort made on George's Lad...

Should also say what a great ride from Ben Jones, and the horse stayed on well after the last when headed, would love to see him in the gold cup.

Unlucky Foyles, ran a cracker at the price, jango could not cope with the 10lb penalty of Quixall even though Jukebox shrugged of Impossible. Great race if not the best KG ever run, that said I suspect the form is going to hold up better than most KGs. The winner and 4th will imo be as close in the GC should they run, more so than the 2nd and 3rd who will finish behind both at Chelt imo?

I'd take Jango out of the race for the GC, it didn't strike me as being strongly run and he looked to me to shape like an out and out stayer who got tapped for toe, reckon he will really appreciate the GC trip and be really strong late.

The time was rapid.

The race was fast by 6.87 seconds in a new course record duffy and imo the commentators fooled into thinking they were crawling for the first half but agree about Jango and as said Jukebox will also be on his quarters should they line up.

12/1 gone for Jukebox and 10/1 each of 3 for the GC ante post, might look huge on the day?

10/1 for Gaelic not very tempting btw!!

Time nothing to do with the ground?

There was absolutely no Good to Soft in today's ground as the times clearly show

Of course it has to do with the ground!!

The ground a good reason to upgrade the form imo, nearly 7 seconds better than standard when most would have preferred a bit more cut according to previous form?

Obviously. But slowly ran races don't break track records on any going.

Just noticed MJK backed Jango and obviously looking for an excuse, nothing to do with Nico's ride MJK and the ground an imponderable for Jango at his first try at the trip. Possibly get your loss back at Chelt if he lines up and I hope he does, he and the winner will be much shorter and have huge chances in the GC.

HoratioNelson 24 Dec 25 15:37 
I could go through this race for a week and get it miles wrong, however I much prefer a race like this where near any of the field could win.

I adore Fact To File, and as much as either Gaelic Warrior, Fact To File, Il Est Francais or Banbridge cannot be classed as the old guard I just have a sneaky feeling for two new faces on the block.

It is incredibly guessy and a real stab in the dark but for a fun bet I will be playing a rev forecast on Jango Baie and The Jukebox Man.

A race I really want to enjoy rather than worry or sweat over. Should be a cracker. Be lucky all.



Close but no Cigar......What a race!!

I’m not surprised it was a fast time. Steady pace till they headed for home with 4-5 horses all quickening together. Almost perfect conditions to break course records when you throw in good ground conditions.

Fact to file was the only real disappointment as never really seemed to be travelling at any stage.

Not sure we really had too many clues for Gold Cup and which horses would relish that test. You can put a line through Banbridge after last year so what does beating him short head over 3miles at Kempton tell you ?

Are you willing to lay Jango or Jukebox @ 10s NRNB Hibore?

Delighted for Harry but it was a poor ride from Bowen imo - was travelling all over them turning in and should have held him up much longer and would have won comfortably. He made a slight mistake two out and Bowen panicked and threw the kitchen sink at him meaning he got there too soon and wilted on the run in.

Why people goo goo over this individual…..and why do Birmingham fans detest him ?

Which individual are you talking about Quixall? Your 10lb penalty cost Jango today btw but double up @ 10s for the GC and lay off @ 5/2 on the day?

HTH

Are you willing to lay Jango or Jukebox @ 10s NRNB Hibore?

I’d lay Jukebox before Jango due to Cheltenham form. Last years first two in Gold Cup would’ve have struggled today in that race setup. Interesting what happens in Savilles.
At least we have a British interest in race now.

That was not the Question after you stated "Not too sure" etc? I think plenty would have learned a fair bit, so will you lay 10s Jango or Jukebox for the GC NRNB?

It was a great race to watch, but form wise I do not think it was. I think the connections of Gaelic Warrior would feel greatly disappointed for not winning it; Mr Mullins scored an own goal.

I do not think connections of Inothewayurthinkin and Galopin Des Champ (if sound) will be overly concerned. I think the only race for Fact To File will be the Ryanair at Cheltenham.

TBF Impossible, you wrote off the winner and 4th and recommended Sir Gino for the Arkle, stick to immigrants imvho?

Do you actually play on BF,Glen?
There is currently £20 on JB to be backed @10.
JBM is 9.8 for £8.
This is the pitiful state of BF Ante Post for the Gold Cup

Rarely touch BF irons, very rare.

It wasn't strongly run through-out, they quickened up in the final half mile or so but turning in 2 lengths covered the whole field and barely a length seperating the first four home at the line backs up that it wasn't a thorough staying test at the trip and Cobden would in no way have set a break neck gallop on a bleeder, the ground helped with the record, this race was marginally in front of the novice race for the majority of the race, Jango for me going forward, blame the jockey if you want and he may have been caught out expecting the others to fall into his lap but he looks like a real stayer IMO.

Cal I most certainly didnt back Jango. I couldn't make my mind up so backed none of them, only Gaelic Warrior in the placepot. My observations were based on what I saw in the replays. You assume people are only going by whatever commentator says. I watched the race on mute and they've clearly gone a steady gallop. There's no way would so many have been in contention turning in if they hadnt. Absolute lazy and stupid assertion to always believe if someone has a different opinion to yours its because of what they bet.

CagliariG 26 Dec 25 18:50 
Which individual are you talking about Quixall? Your 10lb penalty cost Jango today btw but double up @ 10s for the GC and lay off @ 5/2 on the day?

HTH

The owner Cag,something about him tells me he ain’t that nice as most think imv…..

As Ruby would say, it's not the front runner that sets the pace, it's the ones tracking him. Without watching the race again, I'm sure Jones put pressure on him nice and early before the straight. I don't see how the race can be the fastest ever 3 mile chase ran at Kempton, and not be well run. Sure, the very quick going made it less of a stamina test, but not a lack of pace.

Nothing to do with my opinion MJK, only noticed you declared that Nico was at fault on another thread, apologies if I was wrong?

The Nico Bashers rarely miss a chance to show their ignorance of race riding,Glen.
Usually led by the cretinous Newmarket

It was a great race to watch. For once, a top race that repaid the time spent watching for the casual punter.

Obviously no great horses in the field but so what? The concept of "greatness", like a winning-post, is beyond the ken of a horse (with rare exceptions).

The cumbersome individual didn’t impress tbh….

What did he do wrong other than not winning,Aceform?

Looked out of place in amongst it imv……

I certainly think Townend would have won on it …

You are utterly clueless,
Unlike you I gave my view on  my 5.12pm post on the 24th

Would that be the same Townend who nearly dropped his whip on the run in today?

No answer to that, Aceform

Cider 26 Dec 25 20:03 
As Ruby would say, it's not the front runner that sets the pace, it's the ones tracking him. Without watching the race again, I'm sure Jones put pressure on him nice and early before the straight. I don't see how the race can be the fastest ever 3 mile chase ran at Kempton, and not be well run. Sure, the very quick going made it less of a stamina test, but not a lack of pace.


Presumably because the friendly nature of the ground allowed them to finish so well up the straight, imagine if they ran 3 miles downhill, the final part of the race when they would be really going for it would allow them to be "relatively" sprinting and able to make up a stack of time against the clock, that's an exaggeration but the principle is the same, the test provided today Kitzbuel was 2 seconds behind so he's one of the quickest ever too on the same day.

If they had gone in any way hard through the race they'd have been more strung out with stamina limitations exposed way earlier than we saw happen, and besides that it just looked staeady to the eye.

It was an excellent race where all eight jockeys planned to win, with competing strategies.

I backed Gaelic Warrior and another day it could have won and another day it could have been out of the frame. If that was the last ever KG at Kempton, the runners and riders did Kempton proud.

33 31 31 30 31 30 32 31 30 31 30 31 31 31 31 35 35 35

Out of curiosity thought I'd note the speed of the leader approaching every fence.

It's notable that big injection of pace came from Ben Jones right at the end of the back straight. The bit between 31 and 35. The speedo peaked at 36 in the straight, and it was 34 right on the line. Notable perhaps it was 33 then 34 right on the line, that was the winner coming through.

So it was just over half a mile out Jones turned on the taps.

Interesting.

I just enjoy the comments from people who thought it was a slow run race because something wasnt clear of the field.

It was a proper race and only turned into a sprint over the last 2 because the ground helped all.

Reckon the winner would beat them all again over 3m2f at cheltenham. the 4th was looking the winner but needs more practice at staying and riding.

"practice at staying"?

If you do not understand what i have said then pm me.



You post a lot, i shall search your posts to see the results.

The horse is a 6YO soon to be seven, had its first run over 3M today and ran well.
It should improve with experience.
Am I missing something?

I think you can have a steadily run race wthout something being clear if the ones in behind were happy with it not developing into a proper stamina test, bit like today really! Il est Francais can no longer be ridden like he was when he first came on the scene because of his issues, he must be ridden within himself

That's why it could have been steadily run without something going clear.....the fact that they looked like 5f srinters from the last to the line was a bit of a clue also.

This is Kevin Blakes take and I've seen a couple others similar but this just about sums it up.

The possibility that the pace might not be as strong as seemed to be widely assumed was flagged in my preview of the race and that is what transpired. With all of the issues that Il Est Francais has had with breaking blood vessels, his connections evidently didn’t want to ask him to go any faster than he had to in front, but it was surprising that none of the others opted to pick up the running and inject some pace. The end result was a sprint for home with the well-positioned winner recording an Finishing Speed Percentage of 111.7%. 

It wasn't flat out but not a dawdle either. They had to stay 3 miles well to win that race. My observation from the speed is that they were slowing down after the last. It went from 35 to 33, with the winner ticking it up to 34 on the line.

I suppose it comes down to what people consider a staying test. If they go quick early and finished tired, is that a staying test. Or if they are hitting top pace before the straight, effectively a long drawn out sprint after going a decent lick for 2.5 miles, it that a staying test?

You probably won't get a race ran much more efficiently than that one. I feel like it was a test of stamina, but nothing near a slog or a pace collapse.

i watched the kg with a lot of people that don't follow racing, the unanimous view was how exciting it was, what a great spectacle. so when racing is on its @rse we get a race that might attract a few people to go to a track or at least maybe have the odd bet for me it isn't about picking holes in form, what the pace was or wins next time, it's just a great showcase that draws new people in

the pic cider posted summed it up

The game is run for betting,they want people losing money not enjoying themselves.

Lots of sideshows here and sidetracking talking of pace etc…. It’s all misleading and there’s plenty of pocket talk.

As there was no Home Schooling on the Opening Show I’ll set you all some for today!

I recommend people watch back the Four Group 1’s from Sha Tin to see how viral race positioning IS.

In those races, Ka Ying Rising, Voyage Bubble and Romantic Warrior all jumped quickly and were able to sit and save energy throughout saving enough for the end. Yes they are class horses but the rides given made it so much easier for them.

That is what happened with the beautiful one yesterday, the ride was excellent, because of his smooth passage he was able to save enough despite his worst jump at the last.

The likes of Banbridge and Jango had their chances and came with their runs, they let down and flattened out because the winner saved having travelled best throughout.

With 5 to jump Gaelic & Jango were in line behind the Juke. At that fence Gaelic put in a big jump he was positioned well with a gap between The Juke and IEF but he lost that and more than a length +  at the 4th fence with a low jump. That left Jango in clear third, Towened then had to sit behind The Juke turning as Hoiles said he applies some pressure to IEF as , “heads turn for home”.

At this point Jango has no excuse whilst Townend waited for the straight to regain the rail. The effort to get back on terms cost him but he was staying on and looks an Chelt type to keep going up that hill and had his ears pricked as did the winner crossing the line.

I suspect Townend curses that mistake which meant he lost his position from 4 out, it’s all about margins. Great ride from Jones.

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Here impossible that’s my reading from the KG watch it back

Add his comments to what happened back then and their passive aggressive bullying today to get more water on and there you have it!

Their jockey Paul Townend thinks it can be achieved.

"I think he's the pick of the race," the rider told Betway. "He ran a cracker on good ground in the King George, but I’d say he'd have the beating of those horses with a bit of cut in the ground, so hopefully we can reverse the form with The Jukebox Man and Jango Baie.
"The trip is a bit of an unknown, but if I can get him relaxed then I don’t think it will be a problem."

Delashay • December 27, 2025 11:01 AM GMT
Lots of sideshows here and sidetracking talking of pace etc…. It’s all misleading and there’s plenty of pocket talk.

As there was no Home Schooling on the Opening Show I’ll set you all some for today! Laugh

I recommend people watch back the Four Group 1’s from Sha Tin to see how viral race positioning IS.

In those races, Ka Ying Rising, Voyage Bubble and Romantic Warrior all jumped quickly and were able to sit and save energy throughout saving enough for the end. Yes they are class horses but the rides given made it so much easier for them.

That is what happened with the beautiful one yesterday, the ride was excellent, because of his smooth passage he was able to save enough despite his worst jump at the last.

The likes of Banbridge and Jango had their chances and came with their runs, they let down and flattened out because the winner saved having travelled best throughout.

With 5 to jump Gaelic & Jango were in line behind the Juke. At that fence Gaelic put in a big jump he was positioned well with a gap between The Juke and IEF but he lost that and more than a length +  at the 4th fence with a low jump. That left Jango in clear third, Towened then had to sit behind The Juke turning as Hoiles said he applies some pressure to IEF as , “heads turn for home”.

At this point Jango has no excuse whilst Townend waited for the straight to regain the rail. The effort to get back on terms cost him but he was staying on and looks an Chelt type to keep going up that hill and had his ears pricked as did the winner crossing the line.

Thank you all there is what you call race reading!

Delashay • December 26, 2025 2:59 PM GMT
And cheer up as well was the King George next year you can look forwards to watching your shower of playing on Boxing Day Irons!

Glas can we have your tumble weed photo please

Delashay • May 10, 2026 6:40 PM BST
Delashay • December 26, 2025 2:59 PM GMT
And cheer up as well was the King George next year you can look forwards to watching your shower of playing on Boxing Day Irons!

Nice long range prediction

You can always chat to me here Irons, or I can set up a separate thread?!

Funny yourse,f and Ringo both ran from threads where a skinning and roasting took place!

Hi Alf!

Delashay • June 1, 2026 11:09 AM BST
You can always chat to me here Irons, or I can set up a separate thread?!

Just stay off the threads where you have no opinion or thoughts on the race in the heading to give.

Thanks.