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leif
16 Nov 25 00:20
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Hurdle debut, having been placed in the Derby at one point.
Nothing in the sire/mare background to suggest they produce a decent NH type.
Preferred top of the ground on the level - not gonna get that tomorra.
Fav on the machine currently.
Anyone making a case  for it?
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Report werbie November 16, 2025 6:46 AM GMT
High cruising speed but lacking a bit of bite.Potentially smart but like you suggest,likely alien conditions for his introduction.
Report driver2 November 16, 2025 6:51 AM GMT
I wouldn't oppose it, I remember Billy Fury's Anselmo, 4th in the Derby and 3/1 paper fav on its hurdles debut, even after drifting to around 14s, it bolted up under the great Johnny Haine.
Report impossible123 November 16, 2025 9:32 AM GMT
I'd not back it today; the ground will not be to his liking. Until he rediscovers his mojo or geest for racing again it's financially prudent to steer clear of him. He's 7 at the moment.
Report maysoon3 November 16, 2025 11:31 AM GMT
a lot of these high class flat horses dont take to hurdles and then ineffective when switched back to the flat and career pretty much over - some notable exceptions like purple moon

this horse when on form on the flat was travelling like a dream and not really finding much - cant imagine him digging in too much up the hill at cheltenham

all that said i wont be laying him and hope im wrong and he either takes to hurdels or find his form back on the level as looked potentially very good as a 3 year old
Report driver2 November 16, 2025 12:59 PM GMT
Interesting race to watch, especially as AF has had a wind op, which may help him to finish his races.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 16, 2025 1:12 PM GMT
tricky yard..if drift they norm dont win..they nah the time of day.
Report wondersobright November 16, 2025 1:13 PM GMT
gone sour, no experience over hurdles & ex-flat horse tackling bad ground...fancy this be off the board
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 16, 2025 1:14 PM GMT
very keen to post Shocked
Report wondersobright November 16, 2025 1:16 PM GMT
he'll pull like mad & he'll be off the board imo
Report impossible123 November 16, 2025 1:18 PM GMT
A big lay. He's running to freely.
Report wondersobright November 16, 2025 1:21 PM GMT
Grin
Report wondersobright November 16, 2025 1:22 PM GMT
considering that actually run pretty well albeit a moderate 4th
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 16, 2025 1:22 PM GMT
bit keen but still disappointing..winner was huge drifter late on..skellers dont norm get it wrong.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 16, 2025 1:23 PM GMT
2/1 3 out..imposs123 just copped the lot. wd.
Report Poppydog. November 16, 2025 1:23 PM GMT
Not 'disappointing' at all

A very pleasing debut
Report wondersobright November 16, 2025 1:24 PM GMT
I don't think anybody could be pleased with it
Report Daryl Revok November 16, 2025 1:24 PM GMT
That drifted cos Harry was clearly going to employ exaggerated waiting tactics on the walk-in, never mind the race. Bit scruffy jumper, too.
Report impossible123 November 16, 2025 1:25 PM GMT
Pleasing is an appropriate description for the run. A bookie's friend, however.
Report wondersobright November 16, 2025 1:25 PM GMT
he's done it all wrong only natural ability got him 4th & I'd say they knew he had natural ability 2nd in a derby
Report wondersobright November 16, 2025 1:26 PM GMT
no I'd say a punter's friend because that was a total stripe out @ 6/1 imo
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 16, 2025 1:27 PM GMT
wen skellers hosses dubble late they rarely win.
Report maysoon3 November 16, 2025 1:29 PM GMT
jumped really well and ran well considering how free but unless theres tons of improvement to come he’ll just be fairly moderate over jumps imo
Report wondersobright November 16, 2025 1:30 PM GMT
drifted because going to get the drop out ride & kept away from best ground...won despite it likely v nice horse
Report stu November 16, 2025 1:45 PM GMT
very odd for a flat horse to be ridden like that first jumps surely - throttle out, or did jock not have a choice...?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps November 16, 2025 2:12 PM GMT
didnt lead by default..intended..

imo
Report acey deucy November 16, 2025 3:29 PM GMT
Running round for buttons over Jumps when he would clean up if they sent him to Australia ffs.Plain
Report acey deucy November 16, 2025 3:29 PM GMT
Probably end up Horse Of The Year down under.Plain
Report driver2 November 17, 2025 6:22 AM GMT
Considering the bad ground was probably against him and the fact that he wasnt fancied to win by connections, AF ran a terrific race, not putting a foot wrong and keeping on well when beaten. I reckon hes got tons of improvement in him and I wouldnt be surprised to see him back here in March.
Report GLASGOWCALLING November 17, 2025 8:48 AM GMT
Better ground on a flat track ... weighed in.
Report 1st time poster November 17, 2025 9:58 AM GMT
keeping on well ,WENT OUT LIKE A LIGHT
Report Cider November 17, 2025 10:14 AM GMT
Unfortunately, for four place layers, it kept on a little bit too well.
Report impossible123 November 17, 2025 4:06 PM GMT
Another US Army Ranger type of horse. He's definitely a strong candidate to the poor house if backing him again.
Report uptheirons November 17, 2025 4:39 PM GMT
A runaway that is extremely unlikely to be slowed down by any of my money
Report Whallop November 17, 2025 5:29 PM GMT

Nov 17, 2025 -- 4:06PM, impossible123 wrote:


Another US Army Ranger type of horse. He's definitely a strong candidate to the poor house if backing him again.


I'd back him at Stratford.

Report uptheirons November 17, 2025 6:40 PM GMT
What would be the point of running in a Novice at Stratford?
Report sageform November 17, 2025 7:38 PM GMT
Another promising young horse blown apart by competing in the Epsom Derby. A few horses seem to thrive on the place but the majority never get over it.
Report Cider November 17, 2025 7:41 PM GMT
It was a complete fruitcake before Epsom, sage.
Report Cider November 17, 2025 7:44 PM GMT
It's very rare that we ever see the best of those loons that fight the jockey. The Derby was actually the exception in his case.
Report leif December 7, 2025 9:41 AM GMT
2.23 today.
Promising enough first time out at Chelters.
Sharp track ought to suit, appears to be the positive.
Report GLASGOWCALLING December 7, 2025 11:22 AM GMT
Soft ground would be my only worry.
Report leif December 7, 2025 12:57 PM GMT
mine too, especially if it goes off like the clappers.
Report Frogger December 7, 2025 1:03 PM GMT

Nov 17, 2025 -- 7:41PM, Cider wrote:


It was a complete fruitcake before Epsom, sage.


yes He was trouble before going to Epsom

Report second again December 7, 2025 1:11 PM GMT
I have lost enough money on him,no more.Cry
Report G Hall December 7, 2025 2:00 PM GMT
Strikes me as a potential Galway Hurdle horse on summer ground.
Report tanglefoot December 7, 2025 2:18 PM GMT
They like him today.
Report aberdonia December 7, 2025 2:28 PM GMT
still got some ability.....came again when headed....
Report paulo47 December 7, 2025 2:31 PM GMT
Good watch , only 3 real smacks , well done Sam and horse .
Report leif December 7, 2025 2:31 PM GMT
Showed plenty of willingness to get back up.
Report FOYLESWAR December 7, 2025 2:33 PM GMT
15 before the last flat speed on the run in did it !
Report vonclausewitz December 7, 2025 2:49 PM GMT
one o' demme odds-on shottes you's happy to see win.  even if didn't bacjke..  #goodstory4#racingge Laugh
Report G Hall December 7, 2025 3:14 PM GMT
And better to cone hopefully
Report CagliariG January 25, 2026 8:33 PM GMT
Have you guys not noticed he runs tomorrow in the 1350 hrs at Plumpton? 5/2 looks generous and his only real danger Looping Darc looking as dodgy as 1.01 to finish in the first five in a five runner race as a banker tip?

Should be 5/4 at best purely on achievement imvho and Plumpton should suit down to the ground?

Thoughts?
Report slickster January 26, 2026 1:37 PM GMT
Won't be winning today. No chance.
Report swiftynifty January 26, 2026 1:59 PM GMT
Wincanton in Spring the way to go.
Report stu January 26, 2026 2:04 PM GMT
Might have had a chance if not ridden as though it wanted 3 miles...
Report Brian January 26, 2026 2:40 PM GMT
Don't understand why they run him on proper winter ground. Surely will do better on better ground.
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