Newbury Distances Today

According to the Post , 16.2

16l,plus sh-hd
No nothing,but can add up fractions.

So quarter is .25.
Short head is .2

What’s a nose,.1
Whats a neck.

Trotface.
Brilliant,joined 2006,19 years,22 posts 1 a year.
Then asks,how do you add fractions.

Fantastic mix of people who post on here.

Judging by the Sporting Life results and distances is around 13.75 lengths.

ComingupHill - I can count distances and know the fractions.

The Racing Post are wrong, the total is actually 16.1 lengths (they will have forgotten to have deducted the original short head (0.1) from the 2.51 race) but that's by the by.

William Hill have settled as 13.7 lengths despite there own rules on the specific 3 way distance betting market stating, "The officially declared winning distance is calculated between the first two horses past the post that have completed the race having followed the correct course and carried the correct weight".

I have brought it to their attention and they just quoted, "Adjustments to settlement won't be made for amended results or adjudications made by governing bodies after the weigh-in when the official result is declared" and said that results can't be amended after the weigh in.

The official distance of the race was never a short head (0.1) because the rider of the second weighed in 15lbs light and this was discovered as part of the weighing in process and NOT after they had weighed in.

I can not believe they are not resettling but the chap I spoke to was clueless.

Any advice appreciated ?


Thank you

8 races.

So is it first 6 races.
Or all 8

Depends on small print if had a bet.

Trotface,you make a good point,maybe the toby Moore horse was disqualified,or they only settle on first 6 races,like the placepot.

The 8 races is 16
But what is counted for a sh hd,they seem to say .2


It looks a minefield.

How many races included
What happens in photos.
What happens if results changed.

Presume every bookie has own rules,maybe it needs formulating equally across all bookies.

So the short head race where the second was placed last should be an extra 2.5 lengths then? Making it somewhere in the region of 16.25?

Nose o.o5
Sh hd 0.1
Head 0.2
Neck same as quarter length. 0.25.

So 16.2 can’t be right,cos it was sh hd,so 16.1

By the way Trotface,I was only ribbing,but given your 22 posts in 19 years,deserved a rib.allthough you might get a jibe,you ll still get an answer.so it’s worth it.

It’s 16.1

If accepting it’s 0.1 for a sh hd,plus disguarding the toby Moore disquallified one.
If counting all 8 races,and not first 6 like the tote.

Can’t believe this hasn’t been sorted years ago given all the different possible rules.

Clearly the 13.7 weighed in is wrong,has it was disqualified at the weigh in,so didn’t weigh in.

They ve got it wrong,will change it,tough if they ve paid out on 13.7

Like they tell customers,must wait till weighed in.

Trotface,
Fair play for having no shame.

Bet with hills,got a dispute,post on betfair to sort.

Don’t worry,forum will sort it ,then you can get back to hills,pmsl
Why not bet it with betfair.

Come back anytime,we aim to please.

Listening to you waffle on and on probably means he’ll never be back!

We’re not all as unbalanced as CUTH!

He will next year,

22posts in 19 years,starts a thread on hills.

Waffle on and on,pmsl.
It’s a forum,isn’t the idea you want people to post,
It’s not my fault you plumbed for 16.25 wrongly.you need to waffle more to get it right.

Thanks for posting mate.

hills have incorrectly settled 11.75-16 as their winner, over 16 is the winner

13.6 for the 7 'normal' races & 2.5 for the DQ race makes a total of 16.1

although not relevant to this bet the short head of 0.1 isn't added because miller spirit is ignored
only the dist between macari & music piece is considered

times from BHA site...
macari 2mins 45.25s
music piece 2mins 45.75s
0.5s difference

on flat soft ground 5lps is the scale used
therefore 5 x 0.5 = 2.5l is the winning dist for this race

Anyone would win at ibas(does this still exsist).

It’s a factual result,so they can’t defend it.

They should payout on the 16s overs,but doubt they will unless you ask them.

They are usually fair,so will get your money.

Many thanks Comingupthehill and apologies if I appeared a little short with you.

I agree with all you say regarding the bet and have no doubt it will be settled correctly when it is addressed by anybody at Hills who has a clue.

The chap I spoke to was very lazy and just kept repeating that the result couldn't be amended if changed after the weigh in and refused to accept that the result had been amended as a result of the weigh in process and not after they had weighed in.

Like yourself, I know that I'll get paid but I'd rather they just came to their senses and save me the hassle of having to raise the matter externally.


Thanks again for your input and I'll come back with an update.

ComingupHill - It gets better and better.

They have now amended the result - the result that they told me was not to be amended - but they have not amended it to Over 16 Lengths.

They have somehow amended the result from "Between 13.5 and 16 Lengths" to "Under 13.5 Lemgths".

I can see how they originally settled the result incorrectly by lazily using the incorrect distance (short head, 0.10) in the 2.51 race, but how on earth have they now settle the result as "Under 13.5 Lengths" ?

Surely there is a Hills member of staff who knows what they are talking about in respect of horse racing as their responses up to now have been very embarrassing.


I'll be back with an update when they have hopefully come to their senses but I won't hold my breath.

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Result
Winning Distances - 3 Way
11.75 - 16 Lengths

Winning Distances - 5 Way
12.65 to 15.2 Lengths

Fav Performance & Meeting Distance 3 Way Double
65 - 85 pts & 11.75 - 16 lengths

Race With Longest Winning Distance
Race 3 - 2:16

Race With Shortest Winning Distance
Race 2 - 1:41
Race 4 - 2:51

hills still have 11.75-16 as the winner
in their system they still have race 4 with the winning dist as 0.1 that's the problem

Trotface ,have they paid you yet.

Given the post wrongly said 16.2,where do they get their figures from.

Can’t believe they add it up themselves,surely must use some industry official distance.

Presume all bookies use same figure,unless it’s just a free for all,and everyone just adds it up themselves.
Given racing,no doubt there’s endless systems they use.

ComeuptheHill - They just keep quoting from their rules:

"Adjustments to settlement won't be made for amended results or adjudications made by governing bodies after the weigh-in when the official result is declared".

They are absolutely fecking clueless and don't realise that the result was amended during the weighing in process - the clerk of the scales objected - and no after the weigh in, their rule is to cover if say an owner appeals and a result is amended via Portman Square in 3 weeks time.

There is a rule in their specific 3 way distances markets - the market I bet in - which states, "The officially declared winning distance is calculated between the first two horses past the post that have completed the race having followed the correct course and carried the correct weight".

That makes it clear that the winning difference in the problem race was 2.5 lengths and not a short head (0.1) and that the total winning distances were 16.1 lengths and not 13.7 lengths.

If I have to go to IBAS, Hills will concede and pay out immediately but I really shouldn't have to go to the trouble just because of the incompetence of their staff.

yes the DQ was before the weighed in signal

all you can do is make your case ask them to raise it with their supervisor
tell them you will be forwarding to IBAS as your bet is clearly a winner

if no joy forward to IBAS you will be paid eventually

Go in a shop,they might help you with a direct contact.

My mate wrote 8-1-2 on a on course slip,20 quid.

No instructions

They tried paying him all ways forecast,he wanted straight tricast.

It won,luckily,he had a few straight forecasts online 8-1-2,so they paid him,1200 quid.

They didn’t have to really,

They ll pay once you explain to someone who can authorise it.

99% of shop staff will not understand distances to the extent needed in this situation

They’re not that bad,most people can add up a few quarters.

It’s not them,they ll know to phone a regional manager etc,so he can solve it.

Who decides on distance,why isn’t it decided by bha,or do each bookie just do their own.

I think you give them far too much credit
expecting they will know a sh hd = 0.1 lengths for example

the BHA judge determines the winning dist
its 2.5l for this race, the problem is the hills trader in charge of this market has seen its a sh hd initially (which it was) but hasn't re-settled the relevant markets when the DQ announcement was made

and customer service are generally hopeless across the board
as has been well documented

Isn’t there a central distance they just check,

Or do each bookies trader,sit there adding it up in their own head,with calculator,

So each bookie can get a different result.

Wouldn’t happen at betfair,they have cakes ,and move pieces of cake around the table so they get the right fractions.

I'm not sure re incorrect weight DQs but there can be different results with different bookies regarding void races etc

Did they payout on the toby Moore 2nd,if not,then can’t then include it in distance betting.

It’s in or out.obviously out cos didn’t weigh in.

Where did the 15lb go,did he loose weights,or his he claiming sweated a lot.

miller spirit bets are losers
I just think its an oversight on their part re the dist

can understand it but should have been corrected by now

Wonders - Agree with all you say and betting shop staff wouldn't have a clue regarding anything to do with distances never mind weighing in, etc.

ComeupHill - I agree with all you say except I think you give betting shop staff too much credit.

Regarding the jockey weighing in light, he weighed out with the correct weight and then the trainer (Gary Moore, his grandad) failed to add the weight cloth to the saddle when he saddled the jockey up.

Gary Moore was fined a grand and Toby Moore got beat despite his mount presumably being 15lbs well in.

Thanks for your advice gents, going to IBAS seems simple enough - especially with this case as I know they will award in my favour - but I shouldn't have to go the trouble.

You could shame them on twitter,it seems to be the modern way,

Find a managers name and dm him,pointless asking the customer service staff,they just stick to rules,they ve no authority to investigate.

Just try an email,it’s not a big dispute,pretty simple,you can’t add up,please check.

Overturning it is the problem,has they will have to payout double result.

Don’t think many punters have backed it,plus you missed it by 0.1 ,Sod’s Law.

More than 3 days after the event and William Hills still have not amended their incorrect settlement even though their own specific rules for 3 Way Distances clearly state that:


"The officially declared winning distance is calculated between the first two horses past the post that have completed the race having followed the correct course and carried the correct weight".


Just to let anybody out there betting with these charlatans that they are happy to disregard their own rules rather than settle the market correctly.