stewards redcar

a slight bump then some carrying & another slight bump late
dist a head

not an easy 1 this feels 50-50

sorry dist a neck

"2nd big priced one I've had kicked out recently

I've got mixed feelings. It probably will be revised due to the winning margin but Harswell won with plenty in hand.  if mark Winn hadn't spent so much time trying to keep it straight and let it drift over it would won easily and though the interference would have been more severe he'd have kept the race. He's going to be punished for riding in a way stewards want him to ride. Next time he shouldn't worry about that, he would win the race and keep it and take a short ban.

Certaintee to be revised totally impeded fav nearly put him over rails

Best horse won
No real severe interference

Probably get chucked, but shouldn't

Harswell won it on merit for me

1.6 an Andy certainty

1.7

Best horse won but that’s not the point here it’s called intimidation

1.85

This highlights the absurdity of our system - if the jockey on the winner had not tried to keep him straight, but just ridden him out fully, he would have given the fav a bump but won 2 lengths - therefore keeps the race.
As it is, hes tried his best to keep him straight and will probably get chucked out for it..

3.05 to keep it is overpriced imo

1.5

1.3

stands

there's a bit of me thinks they should let it stand

sry i didn't hear that lol

Oct 17, 2025 -- 1:23PM, fairweather wrote:

This highlights the absurdity of our system - if the jockey on the winner had not tried to keep him straight, but just ridden him out fully, he would have given the fav a bump but won 2 lengths - therefore keeps the race. As it is, hes tried his best to keep him straight and will probably get chucked out for it..

stewards look favourably on this

hoover got going there , someone knew

I traded a chunk out but still better off.

Unpredictable stewards [and jockeys]  - more predictable horses!

swiped to 1.03

wd winners glad I didn't play  very rarely get involved unless a bet already struck

Betfair got some sorting out to do

Last Matched

Winner - 1.03
Odds on Fav in Stewards - 34.0

settled
they dont care these days about it being swiped

saddo 17 Oct 25 13:29 
I traded a chunk out but still better off.


pmsl after the result called.

andyl 17 Oct 25 13:19 
Certaintee to be revised totally impeded fav nearly put him over rails


wd andy

Can’t believe the decision Steve stunned
U see the race head on
I guess it’s ok to carry horses into rails now

nothing like over the rails

edged left a few yards..2nd lost no momentum imo,winner hanging doing everything wrong,best horse clearly won.

Rico-Dangleflaps 17 Oct 25 13:37 
saddo 17 Oct 25 13:29
I traded a chunk out but still better off.


pmsl after the result called.

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Aye what a bullshatter I am, admitting giving money back after the stewards.
What a thicko you are.

why didnt you say pre result?

post your pretend bets lets see..

Watched the race on live video. After race had finished and before stewards was announced they showed the head on. The winner was hanging badly and carried the fav across to rail. Stott simply couldn’t ride his horse out…at all. The fact the winner won snugly on the snaff is immaterial. There are rules you have to abide by and these were clearly breached imo. That’s my pennyworth.

the rules are..'in all probability would the 2nd have won'

imo NO!

yes it drifyed but was easily the better horse, barely made contact certainly didn't put it over the rails and the lad up top did his best to stop it as many have mentioned, don't think stott stopped riding at any point

be amazed if jock gets days for that did everything he could

andyl is spot on.

Rico-Dangleflaps 17 Oct 25 14:00 
why didnt you say pre result?

........................

You're seemingly too thick to understand that you criticised
me for saying I'd given money away. Go and hound someone else.

Stewards spend much of their time stewarding telling jockeys they must do everything to keep them straight. Invariably it goes in one ear and out the other. The one time a fptp's jockey does actually do everything to keep it straight, possibly costing it the race in the process (ie prioritised safety), hard to believe they would throw it out unless it was unavoidable. It occurs so rarely, I don't recall any benchmarks. That's how they want jockeys to ride, so not surprising to see it not being penalised.

Interesting interview post race made by Chris Dixon on racing to website. He agreed he was 90 pc sure would go. Winning distance originally called head changed to neck.

I don’t know how to upload the interview but go to racing to and it will be on there. Some interesting comments on twitter too. Nexus bets has shown head on and you can see just how badly the horse is lugging over carrying the fav towards the rail. I didn’t say it took him over the rails.

Certaintee to be revised totally impeded fav nearly put him over rails

Yes the official distance is material as further than a short head it has to be probable the second would have won otherwise. Since the winner still 'won' comfortably without being ridden out, that's pretty hard to argue.

andyl 17 Oct 25 14:40 
I don’t know how to upload the interview but go to racing to and it will be on there. Some interesting comments on twitter too.

80% who have an opinion are clueless..same as the forum.

Rico-Dangleflaps 17 Oct 25 14:00 
Saddo...post your pretend bets lets see..

Just watched the reply of the race. There was certainly enough there for them to reverse it if they wanted to

The Ascot stewards would have definitely reversed it

They only kicked out a Commonwealth Cup winner for EXACTLY the same thing. It's not like that's an important race or anything!

Murphy?

Whippin Piccadilly • September 11, 2021 3:06 PM BST
Was worse than the Dragon Symbol/Campanelle race at Ascot. Frankie was still able to ride a finish that day. But of course the finishing distance was shorter and different stewards.

Took me a while to get over that one! lol

Had it in thumping double with Sandrine. Didn't even lay off to get my stake back i was so certain they couldn't reverse it. One for the book that one.... lol

andyl 17 Oct 25 13:19
Certaintee to be revised totally impeded fav nearly put him over rails

never got within 3yds of the rails.

*homemade double on the machine of course.

Rico-Dangleflaps 17 Oct 25 14:00
Saddo...post your pretend bets lets see..

The day I feel obliged to prove owt to
anyone like you, I'll give up on life.
You can't even see how pathetic you are.

saddo 17 Oct 25 13:29 
I traded a chunk out but still better off.

An enquiry was held to consider the placings in this race after interference from approaching the final furlong when the winner, HARSWELL ANGEL (IRE), ridden by Mark Winn, interfered with NIGHT MISSION (IRE), placed second, ridden by Kevin Stott. The Stewards considered that the interference had not improved HARSWELL ANGEL (IRE)’s placing as the gelding always appeared to be travelling better than NIGHT MISSION (IRE) and despite being carried of his intended line, Stott never had to stop riding and NIGHT MISSION (IRE) appeared to lose no momentum, before being beaten a comfortable, non-extended neck. The interference was found to be accidental in that HARSWELL ANGEL (IRE) was hanging left-handed despite Winn’s best efforts to correct the gelding, carrying NIGHT MISSION (IRE) off its intended line.

Rico-Dangleflaps 17 Oct 25 13:50 
edged left a few yards..2nd lost no momentum imo,winner hanging doing everything wrong,best horse clearly won.

wd rico.