Aventure wins the arc imv

... So do I, the softer ground is no probs, lto was c/d in a good time. Even A Fabre has tipped it. !!

Good luck.

..... Not me, I wouldnt have a clue.

Fair play to stick your neck out Ace and I won’t be here to laugh if she fails.

Looks a great race and she faces some different beasts this year as well as the ones from last who are having another crack at it.

Hope it’s a great one.

lochy,the jock petrol salesman,blew more tanks than Putin..

here throwing another dart from 37yds away.

my bad,36.

His 1,2,3

1st Aventure 9/2
2nd Minnie Hauk 7/2
3rd Los Angles 33/1

Wonder what odds they’ll offer Aventure & Minnie Hauk to be in the first 3?…….

I’d not be tempted, just saying because of how they make those offers and how likely they end up working out.

Had a couple of bets some time back

You’ve misunderstood me twice! I commended you at the beginning for making a selection, it’s more than other “bettors“ have done!

I like Aventure too. I'd put Aventure before Minnie Hauk (in multiples just in case) esp on softer going. I think she's the right credentials, and her Prix Vermeille victory was more than adequate to win this renewal. Last year the highly regarded was Look De Vega who I think did not stay 12f.

I hope Aventure could do a Sottsass who was 3rd the year before he won. I think 6/1 is more than backable.

On the AP thread I’ve given my opinion re: Aventure. People expect selections but giving a view against is as good as one.

Look DecVega had the dream run in the Jockey Club Impossible. The race opened like the Sea did for Moses for him in that.
He was more mature than both First Look and Sosie too.

The Arc can be won from stall 12 but is the jockey good enough to win from stall 12?

The 120,000 Euros to supplement Minnie Hauk could be money well spent.

All rain should be done by noon Sat , amount still being debated 5-20mm .What is certain is that drying conditions follow with gusty winds and mid teens temps . So all should be clearer by race day .

Thanks for the update Paul and Impossible for letting me know.

Fabre said she was the one to beat i.e. the main danger to his own runners. He also thought Cualificar ran on soft ground last time so I would be inclined to take plenty of what he says with a pinch of salt.

Last year I put up Aventure on here. Backed her at 33/1, but she was a late plunge and went off much shorter. Not so sure she is any better this year, and I think her backers will be hoping this is a poorer renewal. She had first run on Calandagan, but was turned aside pretty easily. Not so sure that winner is the superstar some might suggest. She might be the most solid of those at the head of the market, but not sure that will be good enough.   

I am on Cualificar at the big prices. He looks very uncomplicated, and the draw has been favourable. Hopefully, Buick can sit handy (without using the energy he did in the French Derby) and pick his moment. Just the one bad run, and you can choose between the softer surface, or Fabre sending him out half-baked.

Also cashed out Daryz earlier in year at 75/1. That was the right thing to do as clearly once connections targeted the Juddmonte it was impossible to know which route he was going to take. I think this is now an afterthought. He remains unproven at the trip, and given his run style could easily end up too far adrift even before stamina becomes an issue. That said given the circumstances it would be crazy not to have a small interest, so I did just that at 18/1 4 places.

For some reason the market seems to have gone overboard on the fillies. I think Minnie Hauk looks a poor favourite. She seems to lack a gear (which might prove to be a problem from her draw), has only beaten fillies (including a doubtful stayer last time), and softer ground will be another concern. Again this might have been an afterthought. Kalpana seems to have been overrated since winning a very mediocre Group 1 against her own sex. She looks to have thrown away opportunities this season and is now tried in cheekpieces. Not a great sign. If she really wanted soft ground wouldn't they have raced on those conditions again?

25 pounds or 2000 points?

I’ve said it all year Sosie doesn’t want soft so beware of generalising because he’s French, he was beaten 5L on his second start by War Chimes on heavy.

Some good points Diff but to say ignore Fabre is a bit of a statement! For those who do listen to the Chantilly Sphinx he and Goyen said that Sosie lost his action on the soft ground in the closing stages of last years Arc.

Re: Kalpana Diff what was she to do? Sit out all summer? Which was a freak one by our standards. All her runs could be upgraded for running so well on ground not to her liking.

Going back to the ground on trials day this might give you a chuckle,

“On the day of the Prix Foy, the terrain was a bit soft and he had good balance.” - trainer of Byzantine Dream.

impossible123 • October 3, 2025 2:22 PM BST
I believe a photo will not be needed. The winner will win handsomely

I think so too!

I'd like to see Rouget winning another ARC. His handling of Almanzor and Ace Impact was unquestioned and totally professional in planning and targeting; Leffard could do it for him.

I think he'd give up training too, if so, and he deserves it.