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16 Sep 25
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As of today AOB has thirteen of the twenty six entries.
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8 or 9 having zero chance of being seriously considered. When you have that amount of ammunition it makes sense to flood the entries because why not. All season they'll be working together with some making the races. Covering all possible scenarios.
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It's the way they operate.
You don't have to like it |
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I don’t object to it. I’m an admirer of Coolmore and and a respecter AOB as it happens. Their breeding programme is fascinating. I just felt it was worth bringing to people’s notice. It highlights just how far ahead they are in relation to other operations and hints at the dreadful state that the UK challenge is in.
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and id bet anything that no coolmore group1 winner this season would have won any group1 in the 70s to late 90s
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Coolmore are producing horses like biscuits on a conveying belt from McVities and at costs considerably lower than any of their competitors. If the horse is not an own breed Coolmore would have obtained a share at a massive concession in association with others.
I like Italy who'll be up in distance to 8f. But, he's also in the Futurity Stakes at Doncaster though. |
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There must be a point is reached with so many entries from the first stages, and the accumulative fees involved for stages, that it may be more financially viable to just wait til the 5 days and pay the supplementary fee for your best 1 or 2 horses that are fit and ready? But then i presume this may be countered by limiting the prize pot which takes into account the entry fees?
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To frighten the opposition off?
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The UK opposition generally frighten themselves off Irons
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UK trainers have won 5 out the last 7.
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Karl and eve wont be frightened
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You might be right elisjohn but that says something about every horse in training now not just Coolmore’s.
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elisjohn, I think one of their two 3yo 10-12f fillies may have won an Oaks, Nassau or Yorkshire Oaks on their best form in those races this season. The rest I agree with.
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Nostalgia is always the biggest influence when comparing an era , also known as " The good old days "
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though, arguing against myself, was the Nassau a G1 in "the good old days"?
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Became a group one in 1999 Donegal
In recognition of united winning the treble  |
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 jimnast. They'd have been waiting a long time had they been following Everton Jimnast! Be a Listed now. |
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Impossible, would you not worry about Italy
Handling the dip, hanging, and not settling?? Looks to have lots of ability ? |
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The Dewhurst has always been over 7f.
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'ponchoslament', to be absolutely frank I do not have the ability or knowledge to read or even realise whether a horse will be more suited to a particular type of track. I only go on its ability and potential unless an astute race leader or experienced punter brings this up.
I can see Italy has a tendency to race a bit free, but hopefully this will be addressed before the Epsom Derby next year. I see him as my candidate for the race after the fiasco and disappointment with The Lion In Winter. And, since you brought this up Epsom might be even more testing than Newmarket. I think Italy would be more likely Futurity Trophy bound at Doncaster than The Dewhurst. |
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Impossible thst horse wouldn’t get a mile n and half
In a horse box?? Races like a mile is it’s maximum?? |
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If so, I've done my money (again)!
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LOL, I think so mate
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I think I'll need Fact To File to do me a favour in the King George at Kempton on Boxing Day. Or maybe Aventure or Jan Brueghel to come up trump in The Arc.
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Impossible there’s a stat that says no horse has won the derby having been beaten 2 or so times @ 2
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Trip isn’t the main issue, lack of Klass
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Oh dear !!!
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Stats are there to be broken but his next run will be the 5 th of the season?
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The grey and the Godolphin colt both been beaten since turning him over
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Oath
Masar. |
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How many did Masar lose Penzance
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3
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To save me looking up, I recalled the stat and oath was yonks ago.
Have said before I’ve lost all my paperwork with this info and will make sure I update. Thanks man |
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Either way it’s not a good stat having lost 3 already and only two having bucked it.
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You have the maximum number of runs at two too?
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i can think of another that lost 4 times at 2 and won a derby so i'd bin google and do some homework
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WOE
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Masar must be an exception having lost 5 times in total before the Derby! Had to look it up, beaten at 5/6 in Meydan on his first start as a 3 year old.
Why are people so negative Elise? It’s not about google it was a recollection of stat and I welcome the updates. Was a long time between Oath and Masar. |
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i'm not negative i think you're a k*ob
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