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Members of the Rail, Maritime and Transport (RMT) union are carrying out rolling action over pay and "fatigue management", and have asked for a 32-hour week.

"fatigue management"  LaughLaughLaugh

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By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 07 Sep 25 16:57
sorry wrong forum
By:
Regbutler
When: 07 Sep 25 17:04
Yes, more money and less hours
Thought it was a big ask when I read it
By:
impossible123
When: 07 Sep 25 17:19
I've always found the Tube drivers protesting about a lack of pay and working conditions astonishing. I believe some drivers get as much (if not more) than a junior doctor (about £35k per annum) without the studying, the passing of exams, possessing the necessary qualifications eg good A-levels, Uni grades, student loans, etc.

How difficult is it to drive a train underground aided by computers and the latest technology eg sensors, cameras, etc,? The controls are non-physical involving no-lifting of objects, no straining of eyes or feet, etc.

How stressful can that be? Also, it's a fairly close-shop ie selection is mainly cronyism or nepotism; outsiders seldom get a look-in eg graduates.
By:
uptheirons
When: 07 Sep 25 17:22
"How stressful can it be"?
Ask a driver that has had a suicide jumper before their eyes,implausible
By:
DIFERENT GRAVY 12
When: 07 Sep 25 17:39
London is a khazi, tube stops affected are Rejection Bridge, Backstabbing Central & Shattered Dreams Parkway.
By:
saddo
When: 07 Sep 25 17:39
Easier to get over the trauma with a bigger wage?
By:
uptheirons
When: 07 Sep 25 17:41
Nothing to do with the money,saddo.
Merely an answer to implausibles usual posting before thinking
By:
saddo
When: 07 Sep 25 17:51
Greedy unions spotting a chance against a weak government.
By:
jasstardust
When: 07 Sep 25 17:59
agree,pisstake it soundslike n agree how hard can itbe to
drive a train as said aided by computers etc, suicide jumpers
part of the package,just like drive down motoway n jumpers off
bridges probs same stats...
By:
uptheirons
When: 07 Sep 25 18:02
There are more pricks on here than in a secondhand dartboardSad
By:
saddo
When: 07 Sep 25 18:05
Only one of them being abusive so far though.
By:
Stringvest
When: 07 Sep 25 18:06
Come on you Lions Wink
By:
saddo
When: 07 Sep 25 18:07
Sort him out, stringy.
By:
s.kenbo
When: 07 Sep 25 18:09
I’m sure the last time these strikes happened it was said on here that the drivers are on £60/70k a year. Cushty job if so.
By:
uptheirons
When: 07 Sep 25 18:16
I have no view on the merit of their pay claim.
As I said,it was answer to implausibles post
By:
mitolo
When: 07 Sep 25 18:36
the staff at my tube station aint impressed. its the cushiest of jobs. all they do is go or stop. the risk of sucides is tiny and they get plenty of perks. none of em would earn so much anywhere else. i used to know one and he was a top twerp and was sacked for being drunk, long overdue

id sack em all but you cant
By:
impossible123
When: 07 Sep 25 18:39
Driver-less trains are coming. They are already in operation in Singapore. The main cause of a train accident is human error eg the one involving a tram in Croydon when there were 7 fatalities. The driver was exonerated of all blame nevertheless, driver fatigue and disorientation were cited as probable causes of the accident.


Driver-less trains are the way forward. The savings are humongous, safety enhanced and a much reduced chance of trains on strikes. Tough! But, it's the way forward.
By:
uptheirons
When: 07 Sep 25 18:51
I sincerely hope that you travel on a driverless train,implausibleLaugh
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 07 Sep 25 18:55
£35k per annum  nearer 60 k Per anum Imp not bad bad for holding a Knob for a few hours a day
By:
saddo
When: 07 Sep 25 19:04
I think you can earn a fair bit more for doing that, nanny.
By:
impossible123
When: 07 Sep 25 19:10
This is it! No traffic jam except on the very rare occasion of a signal failure. And, you know what? The trains are air-conditioned or well ventilated. I was on the Tube, DLR and Great Northern. They were a joy to travel in compared to the old rickety ones in the late 80's. Everything is push button; free wifi; tap-in, tap out - no more fishing for coins, etc.

Even the travellers smell better.
By:
Hayden
When: 07 Sep 25 19:15
saddo   Laugh
By:
s.kenbo
When: 07 Sep 25 19:23
Tres bien, Saddo. Laugh
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 07 Sep 25 22:22
My younger brother is a train driver and his basic is £92K.
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 07 Sep 25 23:13
The Pilots of the Gauge are Certainly well paid Slip
By:
impossible123
When: 08 Sep 25 14:32
A full-time tube driver earns about £68k according to Google, and up to a possible £80k and more with overtime, shift allowances for unsociable hours, and for senior roles. This is a humongous amount for doing an ordinary and non-taxing job.

How much training is a tube driver given? Can a bus driver progress to a Tube driver?
By:
CROPSICK
When: 09 Sep 25 11:10
London is an absolute s@@t hole, went there two years ago and vowed never ,ever to go back again even if Khan licked my knackers.
By:
impossible123
When: 09 Sep 25 13:29
'CROPSICK', I think that's a bit strong.

London is progressively heading to and resembling a town in the 3rd world or S Asia. There are many ghettos in London, I agree. But, there are nice bits too eg Dulwich Village, Cheam, Cuffley, etc.
By:
elise
When: 09 Sep 25 13:46
Can a bus driver progress to a Tube driver?

why don't you ask at work?
By:
impossible123
When: 09 Sep 25 13:53
????????
By:
uptheirons
When: 09 Sep 25 13:53
Laugh
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 09 Sep 25 13:55
Dulwich & Herne Hill are easily the best areas to live South of the river.

The house prices though are completely insane.
By:
impossible123
When: 09 Sep 25 15:31
I'd rather live in Dulwich Village than say one of the big mansions in Regents Park or in one of the luxurious pads in Mayfair; Dulwich Village represents friendliness, family, culture and community; the other two are soul-less and fake. 

I'd park my car in Gallery Road with impunity. The locals (joggers) are courteous and friendly.
By:
SlippyBlue
When: 09 Sep 25 22:13
I'm a ten minutes walk to Dulwich picture gallery, the park is really lovely as well.
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 Sep 25 08:11
been reading all summer on social /media and photo,s of empty tubes ,because khan has destroyed london and no ones using the tube,now they cant use them everyone is missing them,cant get to work,tourism down, SO WHAT TRANSPORT WERE THEY USING DURING SUMMER,WHEN APPARENTLY THE TUBE WAS DEAD AND NO ONE WAS USING IT ?
driverless trains will still have a trained TUBE driver in the cabin,and if you think TFL are going to replace every tube with a shiny 2025 model from singapore ,you need to get out more, what happens when driverless tube/signals etc break down in the tunnels ?
By:
TameTheTiger
When: 10 Sep 25 18:36
I WAS IN LONDON A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THE TUBES WERE ABSOLUTELY RAMMED WITH PEOPLE, STANDING ROOM ONLY
By:
TameTheTiger
When: 10 Sep 25 18:36
sorry for caps Blush
By:
Regbutler
When: 10 Sep 25 19:41
Slippy and impossible talking about Dulwich...
Dulwich Hamlet FC have become a bit of a "hipster" club... Famous old team, now playing in Isthmian League Premier, which is step 7, 2 leagues below National League...
Are getting crowds of 3,000 plus... Incredible, some league 2 clubs would be happy with that
A mate said it's more of a social thing than hard core football fans
By:
Catford Toteboard
When: 10 Sep 25 20:31
Reg, Im a local and mate of Slippy's. I've been to the Hamlet a few times and it is, indeed, a hipster club. Lots of the support are young professionals who have moved to London and cant follow the clubs they support out of London and want somewhere to take their kids. Lots of kids at their matches and a good atmosphere.
The club and its support are left wing. The first sighting of a Refugees Welcome banner was at their ground.
Historically, they were fiercely amateur and had the last player to represent England as an amateur.
well worth going to a match there.
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