She's gone!

15 years of lies , corruption and incompetence and then Nigel appears as a viable alternative , impossible to make up so it must be real.

saddo07 Sep 25 13:22Joined: 04 Dec 05 | Topic/replies: 52,937 | Blogger: saddo's blog
I imagine 5% of the contributors to this thread are blinded
enough by bias to sympathise with a tax fiddling second in
line to the top job.

According to the betting - Nigel isn't second in line, he's the favourite.

It restores your faith in Britain as a meritocracy imo

Given a choice of tax fiddlers, the Great British Public currently prefer the one that pulled it off more successfully.

but but but, that's all Labour supporters have as their
heroes stagger from humiliation to humiliation.

theres no meritocracy in labour. people like ratner and david dummy and a host of others wouldnt be there if it was

its is shot throguh with divisive minority interest fanatics demanding special treatment. we have ministers for gaza now

Take whatever victory you can get imo saddo - your tax avoider is more experienced and successful than their tax avoider. Nice, it must make you feel warm inside and full of hope for the future.

Another champagne socialist minister bites the dust, this time for tax dodging then lying about it, you'd have thought The Management would be pretty upset.

Instead, he writes about Farage

Mind you, the Labour party are also utterly obsessed about him.

Mitolo might have a point regarding Gaza, he has plenty of attributes which could make him a candidate for the Labour party with few skeletons not already out of his closet, Gaza as the minister for Gaza?

If it's Lammy, He's probably on his way to Newcastle as we write.

every plumber spark brickie gardener cabbie  etc i have known is a tax-avoider, some have saved themselves huge amounts(landscape gardening is lucrative) but dont hear much criticism of them

^ wtf would I be upset - it's 2025, the least you expect from your politicians is the basic ability to avoid paying their taxes. If she couldn't fiddle something as basic/easy as avoiding Stamp Duty, (when Nigel is publicly giving out free lessons), she has no place in politics imo. I'm looking for some competence from my tax avoiders. Nigel seems to fit that bill - and as a bonus he's now doing a nice line in merchandise too.

Doing a great impression of someone who isn't upset

I can help you avoid giving money to the Labour government. Most likely beyond your budget though :(

Nothing wrong with tax avoidance as opposed to evasion and dealing with HMRC regarding trusts and tax is far from simple and straightforward. I signed over PPOA to my wife around five years ago and it has been a nightmare since arguing about CGT and inheritance tax despite tax experts making clear where they have been wrong.

Stamp duty should be more straightforward but I doubt it is as simple as has been made out for a layperson, not excusing her btw but it seems to me she would have known the consequences for a deliberate act being uncovered?

The person in charge of the country's housing policy, in the government that hiked stamp duty isn't a lay person. And no, it's not complicated if they were, especially if you were told to consult a tax specialist.

mitolo 07 Sep 25 14:04 
every plumber spark brickie gardener cabbie  etc i have known is a tax-avoider, some have saved themselves huge amounts(landscape gardening is lucrative) but dont hear much criticism of them

Certain caravan dwellers who specialise in driveways…..

It's only champagne socialists and those undertaking a career in benefits that are critical of tax avoidance (aside from their own).

Cardinal Scott 07 Sep 25 13:07 
I imagine 2/3rds of the contributors to this thread have not placed a bet on here in last week and/or have £0.00 in their account.


What an absolute tard comment.....Either a IC7 or beginning the transition process. IDIOT

Angela Rayner’s family home was increased in value by more than £150,000 after an “error” by lawyers.

The value of the property in Ashton-under-Lyne was raised from £487,500 to £650,000 in April 2024, official documents seen by The Telegraph show.

Months later, Ms Rayner sold her stake in the home to a trust set up for her disabled son for £162,500 – the same amount as the increase in property price.

The increase in cost meant that their house was worth nearly twice as much as other properties on the street.

The documents emerged just days after Ms Rayner resigned as deputy prime minister and housing secretary after a Telegraph investigation revealed that she had dodged £40,000 in stamp duty.

Her critics said that the latest documents show that she has further questions to answer about her complex property dealings.

The increase in price was made after lawyers from Swiitch, the conveyancing arm of Shoosmiths, the law firm appointed by the court to run the trust for Ms Rayner’s disabled son, wrote to the Land Registry in April 2024.

They apologised for an “original error” that meant the house had been registered at only 75 per cent of its value and formally applied for this higher value to be listed.

The trust was set up after a compensation payout from the NHS in 2020, following difficulties during her son’s birth and subsequent care in 2008.

The increase meant that Ms Rayner’s share was worth £162,500. She subsequently sold it to the trust and used the money to pay the deposit on her £800,000 seaside flat in Hove.

At the time of the valuation error, Ms Rayner was being investigated over questions of whether she paid the correct tax on a former council house she used to own in Stockport. She was later cleared of any wrongdoing.

Ms Rayner has now referred herself to the HMRC over her failure to pay the £70,000 stamp duty that was due on her flat in Hove. She instead paid the lower rate of £30,000.

She quit on Friday after the Government’s independent ethics adviser found she had broken the ministerial code because she had ignored two warnings that she should seek expert advice on the transaction.

The lawyers involved in the purchase of the Hove property, Verrico & Associates, had earlier told The Telegraph that they were being made “scapegoats” by Ms Rayner and had not given her tax advice.

The Telegraph also found that in the past year, no house within a mile of Ms Rayner’s Ashton property has sold for more than £561,000.

There have been 44 property sales on her street in the past five years, the most expensive of which was a three-bedroom, semi-detached home just down the road that sold for £365,000 in 2021 – almost £300,000 less than the value put on her home.

Sources suggested that the true value of the home could be lower than £650,000, though it is understood to be larger than others in the area.

A spokesman for Swiitch said: “At the time of lodging papers with the Land Registry regarding the Ashton-Under-Lyne property, an administrative error was made which bears no wider significance.

“The error was identified, and the matter was resolved satisfactorily with the Land Registry.”

It is understood that the property was valued by an independent qualified surveyor.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/07/angela-rayner-ashton-home-increased-stamp-duty-resignation/

Cider only ‘evades’ taxes, world of difference there Rodney

certainly don't over inflate the valuation of my property to rinse my disabled child

You seem to know the ins and outs of ‘fair’ tax dodging, what a hypocrite.

I do, That's why I knew the real scandal centred around the 'sale' of equity to her child. At least she remains a working class hero (for the champagne socialists currently in mourning).

so does everyone able to. hmrc could have 10 million people to chase after

its your money. the way some talk youd think its borrowed from the state. and when the govt. taskes it from you, it burns most of it, like the nhs i.t disaster and the greatest waste of money ever devised, hs2

cirsty probably doesnt pay any

Only in this case, it's her disabled child's money. Or, was.

Sep 8, 2025 -- 10:38AM, mitolo wrote:

so does everyone able to. hmrc could have 10 million people to chase afterits your money. the way some talk youd think its borrowed from the state. and when the govt. taskes it from you, it burns most of it, like the nhs i.t disaster and the greatest waste of money ever devised, hs2cirsty probably doesnt pay any

Guilty conscience much?

There's just no logical reason to sell part of your own house to your own child. Even at the correct market valuation. Unless you're considering evicting them.

The fact is that someone told her she could get away with it, the same as many others looking for a way to evade tax, only she fuct up or was advised incorrectly.

Man others are not in charge of housing for the government, or in the government that raised stamp duty.

Housing Minister not knowing the rules of her own game......UNLESS when it comes to taxing the chuff out of every normal hard working person already.

Feck her plastic tears and feck the current Government.



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Forget the stamp duty Cider, you are intimating she did something to disadvantage her son which seems contrary to the fact she set up a trust for him in the first place, do you know the provisions of the trust etc?

Pity she isn’t a Tory, next appearance would have been in the House of Lords

Forget the stamp duty Cider, you are intimating she did something to disadvantage her son which seems contrary to the fact she set up a trust for him in the first place, do you know the provisions of the trust etc?


The trust would have been mandatory, with a child being awarded a significant compo. Otherwise dodgy parents might be tempted to spend it on themselves. On the other hand...

Where did you find the mandatory trust laws Cider? You need to swat up a bit before making such statements imvho.

If you could come up with a workaround to extract cash from a child's trust to use for yourself, it would be pretty close to this. Inflate your property valuation, to 'sell' it to them (why?), just before they reach the age where they can make their own decisions under the law. The trustees have a lot of questions to answer, I'd say.

cirsty hasnt noticed the number of utterly useless labour peers in the nuthouse of lords

she just cannot hold back her loathing of any politically difference. entirely typical

and my conscience is clear, as is that of every tradesperson in the uk, all 10m of em

Professionals don't just accidently overvalue a property to the tune of £162,500. Doesn't happen. The over valuation just happened to be the same amount being handed over from the child for the down payment on a property he'll have nothing to do with. And the correct stamp duty due on that transaction is evaded by the person in charge of the housing policy for the country.

I'm pretty sure she's a nasty pice of work and a hypocrite cider - but you haven't half made up some shoite here. The Telegraph article is essentially informing us:

That some lawyers (who were appointed by the court) made a mistake - that when people are planning to sell houses, they have them valued - and that big houses are usually worth more than smaller houses.

It's nice to see however that typically raging champagne socialists are now taking much more of an emollient approach

Well, with any luck the RICS valuation will be published, nothing to hide.

Sep 8, 2025 -- 11:20AM, mitolo wrote:

cirsty hasnt noticed the number of utterly useless labour peers in the nuthouse of lordsshe just cannot hold back her loathing of any politically difference. entirely typicaland my conscience is clear, as is that of every tradesperson in the uk, all 10m of em

‘Tradesperson’, fcukin ell say no more

no you wont

because you know you will be shown up for the hate-filled fanatic you are

I’m used to being asked to use the tradesman’s entrance! Saves pregnancy!

men cant get pregnant. yet

When they’ve a few Chevies like Red has it’s doing the decent thing! Less family credit payouts the better!

You know how she got that liiiispp don’t ya?!

Yeah it’s what happens when you speak with a fork tongue!

Politics is nothing more than a choreographed pantomime. It's one big club. Nothing ever gets fixed while they chip away at civil liberties and continue to launder billions from the public purse to their corporate banking bosses. UK, USA etc. etc. etc.

Agreed. When you make the rules or can move the goalposts as you see fit nothing will ever be accounted for properly.


Feck em

another conspiracy mug joins the forum. he will fit in well

Who wouldn’t fiddle ?

Hypocrites tbh…..

1.01 every single person on here would paddy diddle tbh….including Einstein 1

Accusing others of what you yourself are guilty of is a well known defence mechanism

Projection!

Self-awareness is a virtue, catch it if you can.

Nice insight, that's predominately why the red queen is now toast.

cardigan has a new enlargement thingy. a bit different from the other one

shes not toast. shes too popular with the members who are predominantly of similar mind and she will return

I don't mean with certain Labour fanboys. As much as the liberal media will desperately try to portray otherwise, she is toast with the genuine working class. No way back.

The oracle has spoken.

dunno about the genuine working class as its nearly an oxymoron and why is it important?

i dont want to hear about special interest politics, its divisive nasty and stoopid

bollox to all talk of class its infantile sub-marxist claptrap beloved of dismal academics who have propelled much of this tripe into the public and political domain, with disastrous result

my mp, an idiot who has never had a job, drones on about 'ordinary mworking people', not people she mixes with herself, just the mugs that vote for her. working people, of course, does not include lawyers doctors dentists business people traders entrepreneurs accountants engineers etc

she is also big on 'empowering women from from minority communities' but wont say why they need empowering because she would have to accept they were brutally oppressed to begin with

this sh1te is replete throughout the labour movement and most 'ordinary' people hate it, hence garage and his growing fan base of 'working class' the labour party claims as its own but scorns their concerns about immigration, they dont realise its actually great

false consciousness of course

i had not spoken but have now

give us your insight brainbox

Obvious why it is important?

The liberalist media were trying to claim she was being taken down as she was female and 'working class'.

Now they are all so sad for her as it's a loss for the working class, as if she's a representative for them.

It just shows how warped their thinking is (westminster bubble), and what they really think working class people are. Uneducated, gobby, gaudy, common, illiterate. The only variables missing are the flat cap and whippet. She's actually representative of the underclass, benefit cheats, a ducker and diver, pretending to live in one house and benefiting from living in another. Working class people actually know all about them (underclass), half a chance some of them are family members.

Of course, labels can be put on anyone, and there is no standard definition. Is class defined by your upbringing or you own position, who knows. However in my context it's likely to be people who left school and got a job (didn't go on a funded 3 year uni jolly), probably have to leave their homes to do their job, and don't spend half their time on twatter and don't think about politics every day. People talk about 'cut through', well cut through is when those types of people do talk/think about politics. Raver dodging her taxes has cut through. Like I said, she's toast.

For years she and her life style was funded by the taxpayer.  She is of the TFC - the Taxpayer Funded Class.  Unusually Jeremy Clarkson has got it right.
TFC!  I claim copyright.

Well said Cider spot on.

Why are we still talking about her? She's history, and she's brought this upon herself; she's played the "me, me"  game of someone in the corridor of power. And, she's rightly gone.

When I see her on TV she reminds me of an old slapper who has been on the game too long.

Sep 9, 2025 -- 7:49AM, barstool wrote:

When I see her on TV she reminds me of an old slapper who has been on the game too long.

Anonymity often emboldens people to say things they wouldn’t dare in person, which undermines the integrity of the critique

Yeah, well said acey. Cider is like a beacon of light shining his truth into the forum.

He always brings the facts to the party and is steely in resisting the temptation to be dishonest or deliberately misleading. With the on-line world now seemingly full of blatant liars and narrow- minded, one-dimensional thinkers, he somehow maintains a refreshingly open-mind, enabling him to give a very balanced and nuanced view on a whole range of subjects.

Best of all, his broad range of views make him unpredictable, lending to a sense of wonderment, excitement and anticipation at how he might feel about any given topic.

Just listened to Kemi Badenough interviewed on Sky news , she reminds me of a Conservative politician.

she might be the worst ever leader of the tory party and that is with truss in the market before anyone asks

When she gets out of sixth form there’ll be no stopping her.

When I see her on TV she reminds me of an old slapper who has been on the game too long.

Being a granny at 37 takes its toll.

Humanity Scott says

May we remind him that Ange and the Gangs first port of call was to put the Boot into the Elderly and disabled of the UK

I hope her sons deposit Money is OK I doubt she will be paying the Mortgage on the new Flat , A quick sale needed imo ,and return the lads funds ASAP

Just wear your furry slippers granny you’ll be alright

Millionaire Grifter tries to Skim 40 Large and the Wheels fall off  , She could not get out of the Way Quick enough , I wonder why ?

capitano loves Granny Growler Ange

It really triggers them when another poster gives me some credit. Me thinks 'The Management' is still seething about the expedited downfall of the red queen

I found her to be crass and out of her depth Cider. It's a horrible word, so I'm loathe to use it - but she kind of personified the word "chav" in my mind, I'll lose no sleep.

So if you think I'm the one that is "seething", I'd suggest you read my posts on this thread and then read your own. I don't know what has gone on in your life - but you come across as a seething mass of anger, filled with rage, hate, bitterness and resentment.

I'm no more a fan of the Labour Party than you are - but I suppose it's easy to understand how your rage, coupled with such a narrow minded view of the world could lead you to believe that I am.

I won't pretend I've got the answers. If it was a horse race I'd just put a line through it!
I think the country (and the world) is in a terrible mess - but I know for a fact that Keir, Kemi, Nigel, Ed, etc, don't have the answers either. And you certainly don't!

Politics is broken. You personify it on here. Division is rife, it's more widespread and more deep seated than ever before. Anybody that thinks there's a simple course of action (a set of policies) or a New Messiah that can fix it quickly, is delusional. People are more disillusioned than ever before (imo) and that eventually manifests itself (as it has with you) as anger, turning to rage, turning to hatred, turning to blame. That's how it will be now (imo) for whichever voters are on the losing side of any future elections.

The only solution I can see is that Keir, Kemi, Nigel, Ed, etc admit they just haven't got the answers (individually) and will never be given the time required (individually). So they all come together in some sort of weird coalition for the collective good of the country - call it what you like, a collective of liars or a coalition of the hopeless. But for the good of the country they somehow need to set aside all the nastiness and tribalism and try some sort of collective political "re-set".

Correct TM , in the current climate all you get is nastiness vs fake positivity with a rinse and repeat.

If the last sorry 15 years hasn't put Joe public off politics nothing ever will

I hope after I've gone UK Plc does not degenerate into civil wars between the factions themselves, and the locals like it's happening in the Middle East and Central and South Asia. At the moment there are signs UK Plc is disintegrating slowly but surely eg certain parts up North are mainly populated by a dominating ethnic group; inner City London by a cosmopolitan of ethnic group none of whom are cohesive and UK minded, but possess an individualistic, non-inclusive but insular views.

A broken-up UK Plc will never work.

It’s already broken Impossible and it’s been by design.

Cider • September 8, 2025 10:53 PM BST
Obvious why it is important?

The liberalist media were trying to claim she was being taken down as she was female and 'working class'.

Now they are all so sad for her as it's a loss for the working class, as if she's a representative for them.

It just shows how warped their thinking is (westminster bubble), and what they really think working class people are. Uneducated, gobby, gaudy, common, illiterate. The only variables missing are the flat cap and whippet. She's actually representative of the underclass, benefit cheats, a ducker and diver, pretending to live in one house and benefiting from living in another. Working class people actually know all about them (underclass), half a chance some of them are family members.

Of course, labels can be put on anyone, and there is no standard definition. Is class defined by your upbringing or you own position, who knows. However in my context it's likely to be people who left school and got a job (didn't go on a funded 3 year uni jolly), probably have to leave their homes to do their job, and don't spend half their time on twatter and don't think about politics every day. People talk about 'cut through', well cut through is when those types of people do talk/think about politics. Raver dodging her taxes has cut through. Like I said, she's toast.

Well said, another one today in running for the leadership was playing the I’m working class card today!

They saw Khan, “My dad was a bus driver!” And now they all mimic the creep!

Why not give a 3rd party a chance and see what they can do?

We have had 28 years of pissing away hundreds of billions on illegal wars, bailing out bankers and covid/PPE costs.

The PPE was a joke! They cried when they never had it now they can’t be assssed to wear it!

Go in an isolation ward and see if anyone enters wears the stuff! It’s been left to rot outside!

Slack as, they learnt sweet fa after Covid.

The same person taking food to an open ward will enter an isolation room without wearing anything, doctors included! When asked why they say we’re tested!
Lot of good after it’s been passed on!

How’s this Mandy not been removed from his position?????

Why hasn’t Pump said I don’t want any dealings with this guy?????

Is the PM so weak that he can’t react?????

Although he probably is a blaggard, he is good at his job as ambassador to the greater blaggards in the White House and the timing is not good with the Trump visit in mind.
I expect he will go at some time though.

I don’t want him representing us. There comes a time when , “Sorry” doesn’t cut it.

Sorry for the double reply -  nobody is irreplaceable.

Bad timing it might be but he should never of been put in that position in the first place.

If you can’t vet him how you can you vet the people coming in?!??!?!? ludicrous!

Yes! He’s grown a pair!

Now take his knighthood from the assswipe!

Mandy's gone! His "anal" licking behaviour for Epstein was wealth-blinded and insecurity. His position was untenable once the revelations of his relation with the dead-sex pest was revealed.

Sir Shameless has shot himself in the foot again. I find it inconceivable no dd was done prior to appointing Mandy as UK ambassador to the UK, no doubt to "message" the ego of President Trump.

Good riddance to Mandy!

Good riddance to Mandy!

Nice one!

Randy Mandy with a chuff hole like a skydivers mouth has finally been binned.....a horrible money hungry individual.

Was Mandy not feeding from a bookie's trough post Labour affiliation? He's another clueless Williamson or Dame Covid whose name I've forgotten.

My question is now what it was when the news broke that he’d been appointed.  How and why did Starmer appoint him with his already known chequered history.  He had already had to resign at least once before because of poor conduct.
So, ultimately, it is Starmer’s own judgement which is a a major issue in all of this.
Massive Tory majority = shambles.
Massive Labour majority = shambles.
Yet they are telling us ever louder that Farage is the devil!      .            

The thing with Farage is he does not come across as genuine, knowledgeable or sincere, but as a spin doctor, a snake charmer or a snake oil or 2nd-hand car salesperson. His non-political entourage or funders are also dubious with a personal agenda not align to UK Plc.

Randy Mandy with a chuff hole like a skydivers mouth has finally been binned

He’ll be known as “Yum Yum Mandy” now!

So, ultimately, it is Starmer’s own judgement which is a a major issue in all of this.

Exactly!

Twice now he’s stood by these people publicly - then the next day binned them!

Starmer may as well stop all the bluffing and just give the role to abdul hamza ffs

MANDY and the MINGE both a disgrace, good riddance.

Bigger actual dangers to us are RED ED and RACHELFROMACCOUNTS

They both need to go and it needs to happen fast, else wise our great leader will be trotting off to the IMF

The Gilt Markets don’t lie

I think they might have been there already.

Need the IMF to give us a credit rating thumbs up, rather than a bailout
Either way, interest rates here gonna go up, equals economy stalling or shrinking, equals recession