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Looks like he doesnt want to take on Delacroix again
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British trainer running in the British Champion Stakes...seems logical
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He thumped Delacroix last time and he’s bottling?!
Will we see Delacroix after the Irish Champion? Let’s see …. The Irish have paid the travel expenses for SHIN Emperor such is their desperation to form a field for this G1. Zarhann is also entered in the Prix Niel. |
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Easy to talk large when you likely know it won’t happen!
 'We'll put the pace on and find out once and for all who the best horse is' - Aidan O'Brien wants Delacroix decider with Ombudsman "I really hope he will come over," replied O'Brien when asked about round three of Ombudsman and Delacroix. "Sheikh Mohammed is probably the greatest sportsman we’ve ever seen and I know our men will be delighted if he comes over. We’d love him to come to Leopardstown and, if he does, it will be a proper race. "We’ll try to run a pacemaker if John doesn’t and we’ll make it very straightforward. The pacemaker will go on and Delacroix can follow him and Ombudsman can follow Delacroix, if he wants! We’ll let them turn into the straight and see what happens from there. For the race and for everybody we want it to happen – win, lose or draw, we’ll be delighted. Run a pacemaker like you did in the POW and King George? Wasn’t there one in the race at York? They know it’s horses for courses - it’s hometown advantage for Delacroix having won there twice this year. |
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O'Brien sends horses for all the top UK races but UK trainers scarcely send over any (especially during the NH season). Would have been intersting to see the 2 clash again but I'm not surprised at all.
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Hmmmm I understand what you’re saying but here it’s easy pickings when he comes, that might be the reason!
I’d say outlining The Champion Stakes, The Breeders Cup and Japan Cup shows a lot of bottle. It’s an audacious plan and one that doesn’t play ball with their shatty ones. Racing Post @RacingPost BREAKING: Ombudsman will not run in the Irish Champion Stakes next Saturday and will now be freshened up for an autumn campaign targeting the Champion Stakes at Ascot, Breeders' Cup and Japan Cup. |
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Hopefully you were on Delacroix before the odds changes that came with the news.
Amnat is still a good yard stick should he turn up to give the race any cred. |
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I just like to see the best horses turn up in the best races, we have too much of trainers/owners avoiding each other and its at the detrement to the game which is already going down the drain fast.
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I totally agree TG AoB has more than one that he could run here there’s only one Colt for Godolphin so you can see why they’ve chosen to do what they have.
I think all those races seem too much, but we’ll see. These trainers cherry pick the best opportunities to win, when you don’t have the amo you have to be more selective. I’m not a fan of NH but understand your dislike of British trainers ambition to travel there. You can understand that reluctance given the power houses based in Ireland. What’s worse for British trainers and racing (like Nicholls) who does run in Ireland is that British owners are now sending horses to Ireland. Eg the King following on from Cheveley Park etc… I forget the other recent owners sending horses to Mullins and not Nicki or Paul. |
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For me that’s a very bad sign for British jumps racing, because it’s not like those guys can’t train.
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Henderson was a prime example with Constitution Hill, wouldnt go over when the horse was in top form and not sure what to expect from it this year.
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It was madness and desperation to travel the horse when they did.
They have their preferred routes or pattern to Cheltenham and can understand why they’ve chosen not to travel before March. Punchestown was an afterthought and not fair on the horse. At the same time Hendo will say that they never sent State Man to face Constituion Hill and sent a scout instead in Lossiemouth. I’m all for trainers who travel and think that it makes for exciting racing, sadly it seems it’s not happening as often as we’d like. |
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I think times have changed this year , Punchestown 2025 - Dereham , Pipe , Jonjo , King , Greatrex and Hendo (2) all had winners .
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Henderson clearly has much to learn from DelaDimwit
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But,he was spot on regarding the Irish Champion race
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Appleby did with Pinatubo and Native Trail to take on Coolmore at their backyard. Hendo is a chicken.
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uptheirons • September 3, 2025 1:36 PM BST
But,he was spot on regarding the Irish Champion race  |
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impossible123 • September 3, 2025 2:52 PM BST
Hendo is a chicken. Wonderfully succinct Impossible! |
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Implausible surpasses even his normal ineptitude
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Ombudsman is owned by a dictator so Gosden may have taken instructions from above.
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As has been already pointed out,why would you want to travel and face the certainty of team tactics by AOB?
If AOB truly wants to find out he could come Ascot. The spacing of Gosden's plan is better for the horse |
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If Delacroix has an easy time in the Irish version he may well run in both.
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O'Brien said: "We want everyone to come. The more runners we have from everywhere means we will have more interest from all over the world. That way our horses and everyone else's can be gauged. It's from now on that the travelling roadshow starts, but we would love all these good horses to come to Leopardstown first."
Without them there’s little substance to the race. |
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This statement makes me think we might not see him, unless he tries the mile at Ascot for extra prestige?
'I can't tell you how important he is' - Aidan O'Brien on Coolmore's Eclipse hero Delacroix "I can't tell you how important he is. The lads have been looking for a Dubawi all their life and he's out of a champion. He's a beautiful big horse with power, strength and everything you want. I am delighted for the lads that he has won," said O'Brien, who was registering a remarkable ninth win in the race. Although his year-older Galileo half-sister Grateful won the Group 1 Prix de Royallieu over a mile and six last year, Delacroix failed to stay the Derby trip at Epsom last time out and Ryan Moore believes the colt has the speed to drop down in distance. "I think ten furlongs is fine but if anything he would probably run shorter," commented the jockey who was winning the race for the third year in a row and the fifth time in his career. "We have always held him in high regard right from his two-year-old days. He is out of a great racemare and by Dubawi and only time will tell how much they can step it up when they race." |
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He’s - 14/1 for the QE11
12/1 and bigger than Amnat @ 8/1 for the Champion. Do the bookies think we’ll see him again?  |
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I can fully see why Diamond has swerved this knowing it’s been their target ;)
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so in 2 consecutive group 0nes,judd and isish champion, 2 of the worlds greatest trainers both saying because the way races were run,would be run,,some of the worlds highest rated horses wont be able to/didnt show their form, but they expect punters to bet on it
come racing their surely bringing racing in to disrepute |
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Gosden has stated quite clearly that the spacing of the races made his decision easy.
I don't for a second believe he has made the wrong call |
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The present trainers (Gosden senior included) are very unlike Sir Cecil and Sir Stoute or Mr Cumani or Mr Harwood. They do not have a firm itinerary for the star charges and often subject to media influence or after thought ie no set target.
Until Field Of Gold runs again and beats a distinguished Gp 1 field he cannot be compared in the same vein as Kingman or Baaeed let alone Frankel or Dancing Brave. Field Of Gold have beaten mediocrities so far. |
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Is anybody trying to do that,implausible?
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In this instance Impossible I have to say that Gosden doesn’t plan for anyone but him and his horses. He’s targeted perfectly races like the Lockinge and has shown brilliant patience to win races with the horses picked for them.
The ground work goes back far and it’s something I look out for. He plotted the POW and won it with a 33/1 shot, he’s under the radar value in the big G1’s. |
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He spent a most of (‘22) running Mostahdaf over 1m 4f then dropped him back to 10f, truly a great. Waiting a year for one race.
The public had forgotten his runs earlier that year at Sandown behind Bay Bridge and had him as a slow horse that was now needing 1m 4f. |
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Gosden has form. He'd So Mi Dar (2f) for the Epsom Oaks. The horse was a no show due to a slight injury. Gosden was adamant she'd be ok for the Irish equivalent. Again, no show, instead rerouted to France a few days later. Similarly, Jack Hobbs who was supposed to be running in the Coronation Cup but ended up in the PoW instead, and finished last. The excuse was the firm ground.
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It’s the master plan to big odds
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These days I take everything a trainer says with a pinch of salt, a larger dose if one is bookie-talking eg Hendo / AOB / Mullins.
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Have you ever considered applying for MENSA membership,implausible
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Deary me i take a look at the Gosden thread and there he is…..
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unbearable would struggle to get into densa
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I have a view Aceform and have experessed it,do you?
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Ombudsman only stuffed Delacroix by over 3Ls LTO.
Now he's running scared |