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hope it isn't a scottish stable
will destroy jumps up here
will destroy jumps up here
Could anyone tell me if the Racing integrity team is still going or if it has a different title. What ever title it comes under, why have they being paid for the last six or seven years?
The Northern Mafia has been going up there since racing began
Yes,it comprises of all Licenced Jockeys and Trainers,Brian
anyone think of a narrthern monkey who,s been AWOL for months
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Jesus Christ there is some big news coming out from the northern jumps circuit about race fixing. This is big.
We’re probs not going to get sued by all the northern trainers and jockeys involved but will let others break the story.
Huge bans for a lot coming, courtesy of WhatsApp chains.
This was posted on twitter on the 30th July
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Jesus Christ there is some big news coming out from the northern jumps circuit about race fixing. This is big.
We’re probs not going to get sued by all the northern trainers and jockeys involved but will let others break the story.
Huge bans for a lot coming, courtesy of WhatsApp chains.
This was posted on twitter on the 30th July
ok boys..name a scottish racing driver and pundit who lives in Monaco and you will get warmer lol..wrong forum perhaps there again ....
Don't try to be a smart arse pieman.
I am fully aware of the suspects but,as I have zero faith in the BHA to run a raffle I will refrain from naming them
I am fully aware of the suspects but,as I have zero faith in the BHA to run a raffle I will refrain from naming them
Ive found 2, David Coulthard or Jackie Stewart. ??
Sooner or later somebody will be sued on here for making libelous claims.
BF would be forced to give full details if required to.
However,as many posters wouldn't have a pot to urinate in,it might be a while yet
BF would be forced to give full details if required to.
However,as many posters wouldn't have a pot to urinate in,it might be a while yet
When are they going to investigate football match fixing, only 2 games in to the Scottish season and some of the decisions are basically cheating. The rangers penalty awarded today was not right.
It did seem strange that a notorious high profile owner who had horses linked to the jockeys stable alluded to on this thread hasn't posted on twitter(x)for 3 months.handbrake on!
Often wondered if there's 10 horses in the paddock pre race, how many connections are actually 100% trying to win. Some horses might be running at an inadequate trip, not be fit enough to win or perhaps the purpose of the run is to keep dropping in the handicap.
We all know it goes on. Anybody who says otherwise is kidding themselves on.
Given some of the dreadful field sizes we get its not too great a leap of faith to think that results could quite easily be manipulated pre race.
We all know it goes on. Anybody who says otherwise is kidding themselves on.
Given some of the dreadful field sizes we get its not too great a leap of faith to think that results could quite easily be manipulated pre race.
"Ive found 2, David Coulthard or Jackie Stewart. ??"
if you believe Twitter/X Jackie is innocent
if you believe Twitter/X Jackie is innocent
Somerset Sam -- "Often wondered if there's 10 horses in the paddock pre race, how many connections are actually 100% trying to win. Some horses might be running at an inadequate trip, not be fit enough to win or perhaps the purpose of the run is to keep dropping in the handicap."
A better question is to step back and ask what "trying to win" actually means. Lots of punters and pundits speak as if it means "expects to win" but if that were so, there'd surely be half a dozen odds-on shots in every race.
Turn it round. How many are actively trying not to win? One or two, perhaps.
The dull fact is that most runners will take a win if they can get it but realistically need everything to go right for them and for something to go wrong for their main rivals: being blocked in at a crucial moment, or on a slower patch of ground, or having a jockey who is not one of the top riders, and let's face it, most of them aren't.
I'd not call those horses non-triers, even though no-one expects them to win.
A better question is to step back and ask what "trying to win" actually means. Lots of punters and pundits speak as if it means "expects to win" but if that were so, there'd surely be half a dozen odds-on shots in every race.
Turn it round. How many are actively trying not to win? One or two, perhaps.
The dull fact is that most runners will take a win if they can get it but realistically need everything to go right for them and for something to go wrong for their main rivals: being blocked in at a crucial moment, or on a slower patch of ground, or having a jockey who is not one of the top riders, and let's face it, most of them aren't.
I'd not call those horses non-triers, even though no-one expects them to win.
They don’t technically all have to be trying to win.
The rule is,the best possible placing.
Clearly given the hcp system,you can’t keep winning.theytarget races where they might have the best chance.
Going,dist,track,weight.
That’s the whole point of form study.
The jockeys job is to achieve the best possible place,or look like he’s tried to get the best possible place.
People moan when they see a jockey not trying to do this.if the stewards agree,he gets banned.
The rule is,the best possible placing.
Clearly given the hcp system,you can’t keep winning.theytarget races where they might have the best chance.
Going,dist,track,weight.
That’s the whole point of form study.
The jockeys job is to achieve the best possible place,or look like he’s tried to get the best possible place.
People moan when they see a jockey not trying to do this.if the stewards agree,he gets banned.
All pro sport is fixed we just got to try and guess when what we bet on is trying to win.
There’s probably been 100k pro sport players across every sport in last 30 years,
Weird how no one has come forward saying it was fixed.
Bit of a wild statement.
Weird how no one has come forward saying it was fixed.
Bit of a wild statement.
so true
i happen to know that liddellpool were ordered to lose against palace and refused to do so but as a compromise were persuaded to draw and then let us see what happens after that as not winning was the aim
i happen to know that liddellpool were ordered to lose against palace and refused to do so but as a compromise were persuaded to draw and then let us see what happens after that as not winning was the aim
Ordered to lose ,who off,an Everton fan.
Right lads,keep it quiet,but lose today,no one will know,there’s only 25 people in the dressing room,it will never get out.
Right lads,keep it quiet,but lose today,no one will know,there’s only 25 people in the dressing room,it will never get out.
Every sport has probably had some form of minor fixing,you said all pro sport is fixed.big leap.
Minor fixing are you having a laugh bookies dont make money out of been lucky and as for balancing the books it s not possible to balance a book with all the weight on one side
So i should be able to take the easy money but you cant because its fixed go to any other sport with no betting and you will get 100 percent win rate fact
all u.s. sports are fixed as is champions league, tennis and golf
nadal threw his last 2 matches just to get a few euro out of his final games as he knew this was the end
federer a renowned fixer also
fury took it easy, joshua fell over and dubois took a dive also. endless
nadal threw his last 2 matches just to get a few euro out of his final games as he knew this was the end
federer a renowned fixer also
fury took it easy, joshua fell over and dubois took a dive also. endless
mitolo 11 Aug 25 22:10
nadal threw his last 2 matches just to get a few euro out of his final games as he knew this was the end
reported to be worth $220,000,000 and **** his last 2 matched to get a few euro?
nadal threw his last 2 matches just to get a few euro out of his final games as he knew this was the end
reported to be worth $220,000,000 and **** his last 2 matched to get a few euro?
Most of these sportsmen earn or are worth more than any bet payouts.
Alright Ronaldo,fancy a quick 2k,just lose on Saturday ,I’ll meet you round back of stand to give you the cash.
Ronaldo,I’ve just earned 2 k whilst you told me.plus will earn 10k walking round to back of stand to get my money.
Alright,alright 3 k. But that’s my final offer.,easy money mate.
Alright Ronaldo,fancy a quick 2k,just lose on Saturday ,I’ll meet you round back of stand to give you the cash.
Ronaldo,I’ve just earned 2 k whilst you told me.plus will earn 10k walking round to back of stand to get my money.
Alright,alright 3 k. But that’s my final offer.,easy money mate.
Stop it ya making s,how of yaself ,its not about one person its the industry thats why it generating so much money and Denise Coates can pay herself hundreds of million a year easy money they paying for the results. IF you ever want a tip dont ask a jockey dont ask a trainer ask a bookie
The bookies don’t know although they have better info,from their own odds compilers,to astute bettors,or even involved bettors,
Again,same argument,what bookies,how many of them,it would leak.
They’ve got a good idea,or a strong possibility,even if wrong,they ll be right more times than wrong,
They want to be wrong,
If you back a horse everyday and never had a winner,at what point would you stop.200 days,2 years 5 years.
They want you to win,occasionally,it’s up to the punter to manage that,which most don’t.
Again,same argument,what bookies,how many of them,it would leak.
They’ve got a good idea,or a strong possibility,even if wrong,they ll be right more times than wrong,
They want to be wrong,
If you back a horse everyday and never had a winner,at what point would you stop.200 days,2 years 5 years.
They want you to win,occasionally,it’s up to the punter to manage that,which most don’t.
Denise makes millions by only letting guessers bet with a 20% built in overround.
They let punters win occasionally you dont understand the laws of probability if you did you would see something aint right,
...I'm not clued up like some of you guys,.. but I must say that it's always been suspicious to me that, in what is supposed to be a competitive " sport"......that at any track, in any month, at any distance, in any code, etc etc....that almost exactly 65% of generalised favourites lose.
Regardless of our own opinions, the stats seem to indicate something other than sporting randomness, ....I would feel that it's more a case of a "pre-structured" industry matrix.......and I DO know from my own experiences, that with any involvment of betting and handicapping ...this whole set up is far removed from a simple and true "sporting" challenge
I would personally exclude Grade/Group 1 races from the general financial "engineering" element of this thesis on my part.
Sorry to bore you all....but I'm bored this morning, and wanted to share my joy !!
Like "Seaside" ,I too will be leaving the forum next month, ...I'm going to Yankeeland for 90 days to stay with my son.....definitely not taking the laptop either ....
Regardless of our own opinions, the stats seem to indicate something other than sporting randomness, ....I would feel that it's more a case of a "pre-structured" industry matrix.......and I DO know from my own experiences, that with any involvment of betting and handicapping ...this whole set up is far removed from a simple and true "sporting" challenge
I would personally exclude Grade/Group 1 races from the general financial "engineering" element of this thesis on my part.
Sorry to bore you all....but I'm bored this morning, and wanted to share my joy !!
Like "Seaside" ,I too will be leaving the forum next month, ...I'm going to Yankeeland for 90 days to stay with my son.....definitely not taking the laptop either ....
There are some bloody idiotic remarks on here [2025 intake especially] can I ask a question if you have a field of say 10 handicappers do you expect the same result every time ? According to some the answer is yes All entitled to their opinion no matter how incorrect. Other sports 100 golfers according to some result fixed, bloody idiots. I could go on but not much point its all fixed we are doomed lol
One sport that goes under the radar here is basketball, in play betting on it is so bad they frequently have to suspend the market. As for racing, if you’ve followed it for long enough you’ll know that there are 2 or 3 trying and the rest waiting for another day, they don’t all get together and fix the result, that doesn’t make sense.
I would guess pre race that at 6-8 of the 10 jockeys will know each other's intentions i.e. if they feel their mount "has a chance" today or not. as a sample of 10 work colleagues the odds are some don't get on while others are travel companions who share plenty of daily chats and where there's money involved who knows what can develop
Easiest thing in the world to find non triers after the event is to watch a handicap debutante hack up off a low weight then check out their previous runs which will be as plain as day , horses have in general ( with obviously some exceptions ) two careers one before the handicaps and a new one when they're handicapped whether it be the first h/cap run , 2nd or even 3rd run.
That's why all form books are bog paper and in the modern game it's better advice to back horses at big prices that may be capable of winning as opposed to backing short priced horse that have already proved they can win the race as every Tom , Dick and Harry will also know , does wonders for the required strike rate if you largely stick to the low grade stuff and ignore the so called festival nonsense.
I'd reckon on over 95% using the latter method so historically you'd have to say that it doesn't work.
Good luck today all
That's why all form books are bog paper and in the modern game it's better advice to back horses at big prices that may be capable of winning as opposed to backing short priced horse that have already proved they can win the race as every Tom , Dick and Harry will also know , does wonders for the required strike rate if you largely stick to the low grade stuff and ignore the so called festival nonsense.
I'd reckon on over 95% using the latter method so historically you'd have to say that it doesn't work.
Good luck today all
Aug 12, 2025 -- 9:17AM, jerseyboy wrote:
There are some bloody idiotic remarks on here
A place in MENSA is surely a formality for abba daba do
Helmut Einstein, thought his name was Albert?
Reminds me of a sports reporter at the Munich Olympics.
Excuse me are you a Pole Vaulter" ?
Athlete " Nein my friend, I am German but how did you know my name was Walter"?
Reminds me of a sports reporter at the Munich Olympics.
Excuse me are you a Pole Vaulter" ?
Athlete " Nein my friend, I am German but how did you know my name was Walter"?
I thought Helmut Schoen was a circumcised german?
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