Sussex Stakes Tote returns.

Qirat 13/2 a place.
Rosallion 1/100 a place

hadn't realised it paid 3 places, guessing that's the world pool influence, in that case 1.01 was a great return...not!  if anyone needed the evidence to steer clear that race was it.

I guess the reason could be because of the SP guarantee, it would've probably paid 60 or something like that, they covered the payout by shafting the place punters.... or a poor man in Hong Kong stuck 1/2mill on to place expecting to get around evens and got paid out 5k profit!

Its like a Donkeys hind leg, cant see the Tote lasting long under its current format.

ye, if anyone ever had the clout to say' Show your workings' that'd be the end of it.

They flower the market,rather than seed it,which is fine if there objective is to stabilise returns and match sp,but if it’s to game the system then that’s not cricket.

cuth, jeez, keep cricket out of this one!

has the Promoter Westbollix been On ?

If Field of Gold had of been placed then there might have been 3 £1.01 returns as surely the lions share was on him.

don't worry, the gc will be all over it like a rash

Stopped using the Tote, the old Dual forcast which was the first two any order and it reg used to pay double and sometimes x5 the csf now the exacta first two correct order reg pays less than the  csf, it's a total joke.
The PP is a shell of the bet it once was due to dubious goings on.
Yet no one in the media is interested, even on course, the screens are full of total claptrap predicted returns,for me it's no more toat, am csf now, much safer way to roll.
As for the PP, nop, better doing  trebles, fours and an e/w acca, PP is a very bad invest now. Imvho.

Incredible return... Has it mentioned in the RP? I'm guessing not

BandB... As for the Placepot being a bad bet these days, I would agree that with the 28%  takeout plus this secretive seeding stuff, it can be very poor
However, I still play every day, have done for 40 plus years, and there are still certain make ups of races that lean towards decent returns in the ppot

In Ireland just now, 1000 rag 400 to be first 2 on here, tote return €23.90 place

Winner sp 2/1, Exacta €79

makes absolutely no sense with the 4/7f being a skinner. evidently using the same abacus as uk tote returns

You would feel like you've been mugged if you'd bet on the Tote in that race.

there's a scandal here surely, these returns are being manipulated somehow. Must only be pennies going on a 300/1 shot to place in a G2 with only 2 places, rated 80 and obvious pace making duties. Not even an interesting name for those casuals using a pin.

G3 sorry

It makes no sense to bet into pools that are being seeded, except for westberks of course.

The high take out doesn't help either especially in small fields, combined with seeding and the results are what we've been seeing.

From AI WIN: 20% take-out

PLACE: 25% take-out

EXACTA: 30% take-out

TRIFECTA: 30% take-out

SUPERFECTA: 30% take-out

PICK 4 JACKPOT: 30% take-out

PICK 6: 30% take-out

PLACEPOT: 30% take-out

But the highest proportion of the pool should have been going on the jolly, therefore adding to the pay out on the winners. It would be a bit more understandable if the jolly was the other placer.

The parallel with the Sussex is that the long odds on jolly failed to place. Counter-intuitive to everything we know about betting/pool betting. Pay outs should be better if the long odds on jolly is out of the money.

The take out is 20%  25% in Ireland. These figures are much higher than when Betfr*d ran the show.

9 runner race all with an equal chance------each place chance is 3.0  but the tote will pay 2.4 on average (2.25 in Ireland)

7/5  0r 5/4  on a 2/1 chance.

Looks very similar, so are they artificially increasing the dividend on the jolly in favour of the other runners hence the poor returns when its out the frame?

The winner paid 1.40 to place first 2, which is broadly expectation. So it appears desperately slanted against the outsiders.

Unbelievable really, get a 300-1 shot (true win price 1000+) to place AND the long odds on jolly beaten, and your pick up is just over 20 quid. It's not a vastly interesting topic to report on but someone with the right profile should.

Would be very interesting to see the amounts from the public and the seeding amounts, but I some how doubt they'll reveal them unless forced to.

it's the same as playing roulette with 9 zeros

Some casinos in Vegas are playing with 3 I believe !!

vegas has become the biggest rip off ever.

They do use 3 Mr Spock and they use the hotels logo instead of 000 in an attempt to fool the customers.

6/5 on a lot of blackjack tables as well now

I've never been to the sphere--that's the only reason I'd ever go back to vegas.

Another one there at Chelmsford, 18.30

Hello Humphrey 200/1 rag was around 100 to place on here, Tote place return £11

Actually ran a great race, pushed wide then hampered by the winner as well. The jolly did place this time, paying £1.10.

Back in day if I rem correctly the tote uk took 18% out of win pool.

Why the diff % for diff pots I have no eye deer

3.30 Leics

Emma's Letter 2nd

400/1 SP

Tote return - place £11.60

Another one today

Just An Artist wins @125/1

Tote place £10.90

..... Shareholders have to eat imo.

ttt, for Steve Voltage

3.46 Hunt

Laysoft
28/1 BSP: 43.8

Tote place return £4.00