1000 draw layers in trouble at the cricket

thai is still on

just remember a thai is not a draw ( loads dont know that ),

if it's a thai are all bets void?

Just seen rules, dead heat payout on the 2 'winners', draw bets are settled as losers.

I'd better get down there with some orange paint.

probably, inasmuch that a tie would be settled as a dead-heat therefore any bets wagered as a draw are losing bets.
Engerland will win in any case

Bit crafty really ,given there’s only ever been 2 ties I think in test history,might actually be 1,

And given a tie is effectively a draw,to keep thinks simple,why don’t they just call a tie a draw,

Do they really need a get out clause.a tie must be 1000/1 anyway.

It's not a get out clause swifty , before the 1st ball bowled draw = 2.8 vs tie = name your own price , they couldn't be two more different markets as you know.

Why don’t they just combine the 2 ,and set 1 price for draw or tie.

The "just stop oil" ****s have decided that their principles are not worth further prison sentences.
Barry Hearne threatened to sue if they repeated the snooker atrocity and it has worked (so far).

tossr

It's an obvious distinction. A draw is when time has run out to complete the game, or it's acknowledged early that will be the case. A tie is a completed game where both sides scored the same number of runs. They are quite different.

Excess of £121M Traded and BF will get relatively little out of it as most is Traded money

I can see the difference but if the tie's that rare why not just combine draw/tie as an outcome as cuth suggests above, not sure a dead heat payout is the right way... although with price fluctuations that'll still produce big winners and big losers too with no voids required so right up betfair's street for comms.

Sorry cuth got you mixed up with swifty   

...because it can be compared to coupling as in horse racing which i assume we all agree would be ridiculous and prevent punters from backing 2nd strings at big prices.

You could imagine the reaction if a punter wanted a tie and ended up with 2.8 being coupled with the draw , two totally different markets as they should and always will be.

if those stats are correct of 2(or 1) ties in the whole of test history they'll have a long wait!

Which is a good enough reason to leave things as they are with no complications , it's been brought up now but still big odds to happen.

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Aug 3, 2025 -- 7:56PM, uptheirons wrote:

Excess of £121M Traded and BF will get relatively little out of it as most is Traded money

I do not know what you mean with that statement.

There was around half a dozen tied in the IPL last season so all voided , the average liquidity over the six games would have been around £60 million a match.

It means,Cardinal, that most o the bets are trading positions.
The only commission is on winnings

exactly irons ,people obsessed with the traded volumes, peanuts changes hands (between Indians) and BF make a couple of quid.

You are both wrong!

All of that lot is trading positions and I'll be paying my usual commission on it as will every other market participant.

Aug 3, 2025 -- 8:16PM, swiftynifty wrote:

exactly irons ,people obsessed with the traded volumes, peanuts changes hands (between Indians) and BF make a couple of quid.

Absolutely Clueless statement

what have you staked, what's your P/L figure?

you've traded 2k? you'll win about 100 quid and pay BF 2 quid? the only mistake I made is you're (probably) not Indian

With a username like Cardinal,I think that that is unlikely,swifty

Correct,swifty.

appears the Cardinal has taken a vow of silence for now.

If only,swifty.
It is a fact that commission is only paid on the final winning position on any event

irons, you watching the game? looks like we've found Cresswell's replacement, having a cracking game. With Scarles as back up Emerson can be on his bike.

KWP looking lively along with the rest.
I am pleased|

Only 2 ties in history of tests,1960,1986.

There really is no need to have this market.

Given betfair only offer 1000/1,it’s a con,should be 50000/1.

Does anyone back this,or are they believing they re backing a draw.

Completely pointless market.

Be interesting to know if what percentage of tie backers,ring up asking for winnings when it’s a draw,only to be told,it’s in the rules mate.

Based on the tie market,there should be and option in roulette,for the ball to land on the wire between numbers,as there’s more chance.

2500 tests,so true odds,1250/1

I DO RECALL A TEST  MATCH ONLY FEW YEARS BACK, AND THE DRAW WAS MASSIVE ODDS AND THERE WASNT A CHANCE OF IT HAPPENING , YET THE DRAW ODDS CRASHED INTO SINGLE FIGURES, AS THE TIE WAS ON ,

Hayden,so if want a tie,1000/1
Anyone backing the draw will still collect if it’s a tie,

Like first past post or beat in a photo,except it’s o.ooo1% of happening

The margin is so low,why upset a customer ,saying sorry mate,draw not tie,for the poxy difference,

Anyone daft enough to back a tie,let them have 1000/1,

The money won on this ,will cover the draw tie payout,hundred fold in 2054,when the next one is tied.

Cherries duly dispatched with little difficulty

been an OK tour to be fair, more hopeful than I was

Of course they won't collect and neither should they , amazed the debate is still running tbh.   

Hayden's been laying the tie for the last 20 years!

My max odds lay on any sport is 1.29 swifty so no chance of that.

Put the thread down to a difference of opinion with no abuse hurled which is a rarity in itself   

Laying the tie for 20 years. He must be 5.57 p up given the 4 people who ve backed a tie in the last 20 years.
No doubt they believed they were backing the draw and thought,that’s a big price.

It only offers England,draw and India on exchange options for match betting,why isn’t the tie also listed,if this rule will be applied.

Hayden , cricket betting is far more your domain, I know you do well at it. The game's are a bit too long for me and my betting!

*games  it's contagious on here.

Fair enough mate each to their own , must admit i've tried to get remotely interested in soccer trading but find it pretty tedious so i stick with in-play Cricket , Tennis and American sports.

Can't be bothered much with Horse Racing these days either apart from the bad e/way stuff so i just switch the BOT on and let it trade away.


Good luck tomorrow   

cuth, I can see Hayden's point that a tie is like a dead heat in racing and if you've backed at over evens you'll win on the match

Hyaden it's all about what I think is the nearest to a level playing field with pic speeds, and I think horse racing is still ahead...however far behind it still is!

if you've got bots doing the work for you, good on you!

Good luck to you too!

The main point i've clumsily tried to make is it's similar to coupling horses if you wrap the tie & draw up as one bet , it's ludicrous in horse racing as it stops punters backing 2nd strings at big prices ( like Foyles likes to do ) but in cricket let someone request a tie price if they want one as the rarity of it happening isn't worth the effort of including it in the market , the draw vs tie in test cricket is chalk vs cheese and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same narrative.

Swifty,

Where do I start.

1.its not like dead heat,cos they happen every week,this comes in twice every 150 years.
2.if it’s a correct outcome,why isn’t it listed along side wins and draw on exchange markets for match result.
3. Given the rarity,adding it to the draw odds( which would alter not one jot),seems fair.
4.whilst offering a tie as a one off speciality bet, no doubt,Hayden’s been laying it at 16/1 for 20 years,telling everyone how close the teams are and he can see a tie as a real option.
5.how many people bet the tie,if ask them,half will believe they ve backed the draw and thought it was an offer or just big odds.
6.yes offer the crazy big odds tie ,for those who want it,but attempting to get a skinner once every 75 years is crazy,just pay all draw backers for the tie.
7.even if they change the rules to include tie as draw,they ve nothing to worry about cos they ll all be dead when they have to payout.

Other games different,t20,one day,even county championship.

But for tests,it’s petty.

Has to be the only sport,where a draw isn’t a draw.even though,no one won and they both scored equal point,runs,goals .

Bookies do enough offers ,this is the cheapest offer they can offer,plus no one will be alive if it ever comes in.

Hayden,don’t couple.

Draw is a draw,including tie.

Tie is a tie.

Both odds not affected,unless a o.ooo1% chance will affect odds.

it is like a dead heat in racing, if a team hasn't officially lost you don't expect to lose your bet. As i said if you've backed at over evens you will win on the bet.

as you say just stick the tie in the market, traders would just have to cover it.

Oh ,right
So if it’s a tie,draw backers get dead heat rule,half stake.

It actually makes it worse,fair enough,get something,so it looks like bookie is very kind,but given 2 /2500.its a shocking offer.

Free meal,but if tie,we ll give you a chip.

Swifty,there’s nothing to cover,it’s o.1p.its as close to irrelevant as you can get.

I'm talking about Betfair and the 3 outcome market, no idea how other bookies deal with it.

Far play.but if a tie,then the market dosent pay,strange one,
Like 0 green in roulette,only that’s 35/1 and it’s in the market equally,and it comes in.

The tie is a defo bookies skinner,that’s fine,but it’s so rare,they don’t really need it as a skinner.

Think it’s not been highlighted,because,no one backs it,plus it’s a more realistic option in t20/one day games,and it comes in.

hayden would know far more, but I think in some formats of the games on here, if a tie then all bets are void.

anyway, the forecast is dry all day so I don't think it'll be a draw(!) but it could be a tie! 35 runs, 3( or 4) wickets,  probably a bit of a chance , probably about a 60 chance which is what people are backing on here unbeknown to them!

Yeah,just a quirk for test matches only.
Probably be a tie now,pmsl.
Interesting conundrum.

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interesting elisjohn, I read the dead heat rule somewhere, must've been for sportsbook.

@swiftynifty

I had a dig and yes, it's the BF SB rule:

"In First Class Matches, if the official result is a tie, bets will be settled as a dead-heat between both teams. Bets on the draw will be settled as losers."

(elsewhere it define First Class: "The term First Class matches refers to a match of three or more days' duration between two sides of eleven players, this includes Test Matches.")

I think that's the fairest method, if your team didn't lose you shouldn't lose, well at least something back if were odds on.

You don't lose if the entire market is voided though?

But yes, I have never quite understood why they run Exchange cricket the way they do, means BF losing out on commission, so they must have a good reason to do it.

It's because all bets are voided in the illegal Indian/UAE markets when the match is tied. Most of the money in the Betfair exchange market is hedging money from these illegals, and if the rules were different for a tie, then that money wouldn't come.

It is reassuring to know that BF's integrity remains constant,Screaming

at last screaming comes up with the reality

i did it for a few weeks in dobuy (khazi) and managed to get hit by a tie eng v pak. orrible, particularly as id run up considerable exes and got pickpocketed of a chunk of cash

there are more on the phone in the ground than genuine speccies. dunno how haydn does it as they are lightning

Wonder what odds were India matched at for this win?

Only 6 runs off being a 'tie' in this one!

the tie , lowest i saw was around 8s,  startedoff this morning  in the 30s

80 was top price india. england went 1.01

Cardinal Scott • August 3, 2025 8:22 PM BST
Aug 3, 2025 -- 8:16PM, swiftynifty wrote:

exactly irons ,people obsessed with the traded volumes, peanuts changes hands (between Indians) and BF make a couple of quid.


Absolutely Clueless statement

Cardinal was involved in approx £2k of trades and won 77p. He paid Betfair 1.54p. in commission

Assuming 500 of him did likewise Betfair made the grand sum of £7.70 in commission on £1million traded.

Of course there will be bigger winners and losers but the vast majority will be trades.

The figures are a mirage.

I think I know who's clueless.

swifty you don't seem a toxic fellow so no disrespect but you  and iron are *utterly deluded* and a bit dense if you don't think betfair raked in a massive amount of commission from that test match and more than any other market for that week by a very very long way.


What I got out of it and what betfair got out of me is totally irrelevant.   There would be tens of thousands of participants.

Cardinal,it is you that are deluded if you think that BF made a massive amount there
The amount "Traded" is irrelevant to the Commission paid on winnings only

BTW,Feel free to think otherwise as it makes no difference to me

Cardinal, unless Betfair ever released commissions paid by sport, I guess we'll never know. But using you as an example of 1 customer, I think you've helped confirm what I still believe the true numbers are.

Anyway, agree to disagree, all the best.

Yes swifty , turned over £36 , 9 draw bets .....profit £2-77 . Very enjoyable mind .

ye, was a cracking series, profit's a profit paulo.

my bets on this test was over £ 30.000 , i didnt risk this amount, but i traded loads of bets , backing draw eg for 100 or more quite often at say 7 and then laying back at 6.8,   the draw was my big winner , but i did win on india £481 , the commission i paid was £9.60 at 2%

elisjohn, so another 30 of you = a £million traded for commission total of about £300. Betfair are definitely not making fortunes from it, more confirmation of what I thought.

you must've been pleased seeing Woakes coming out in a sling then?!

ps i really ideally wanted the thai,     i had big odds on the series finishing 2-1

what was the shortest the tie went in the end? 60 at the start of day 5, did it get to single figures?

2-1, you needed rain and the forecast was a bit iffy!

PLAYER A BACKS 10K at 4.1 matched by player B
PLAYER A LAYS 10K at 4.0, matched by player C

selection wins...

PLAYER A wins 1000 minus £20 commission
PLAYER B LOSES 31K, pays 0 commission.
PLAYER C wins 30k, pays £600 commission.

Betfair make £620 from PLAYER A's 2 bets.

yes, if PLAYER C is happy to let it all ride, which I doubt. Anyway unless we know him we'll never know!

and even then I don't speak Indian!

START OF 5  TH DAY TIE WAS AROUND 38 ON HERE WENT INTO SINGLE FIGURES AROUND 8  WHEN 6 RUNS NEEDED

The shortest price on the draw if i recall correct was  2.74 few days before match started

swifty, ellis - do you mean the draw, rather than the tie?  Or is this a different market?

longbridge, the draw is in the match odds , the other is tied match , yes 2 different market.   ps if the match had been a tie then on the exchange all match odds bets would have been voided

the tie, the draw was around 150 near the end of play on day 4, needed rain all day on day 5. It was backed into 60, we are assuming by people thinking the tie was a draw.

swifty, i layed the draw before start of yesterday morning at 46, im sure it went into 30s, i backed the tie at 16 yesterday around 11.00

do you think that was tie/draw confusion or the London forecast?

definetly,  loads still think tie/draw is the same

add in dead heats, voids etc.

@elisj

"longbridge, the draw is in the match odds , the other is tied match , yes 2 different market.   ps if the match had been a tie then on the exchange all match odds bets would have been voided"

Thanks, I knew the second bit but not the first hence my confusion - I follow cricket a bit but rarely bet on it.  Thanks again.

just to confuse you more, on  one dayers etc, the market do have match odds and another on  match odds including the tie and yes another on  tied match, yes 3 separate bets ,

@elisjohn

Thanks - I think I have seen Math Odds without the Draw, I do not think I have yet seen one with the Tie, will keep an eye out.