Each Way betting

Each-way betting should be banned so win-only punters can have better prices.

To be serious, yes it can be profitable but is mainly just a way to lose more slowly. Some bet e/w in the shops to get a good price for the place part and lay the win part back on here. Hence my opening line.

EW on here is a bit better as you get a different price rather than the bookies' "Win or EW" price.

betting win only at BSP would be more profitable long term, unless you've been diagnosed with secondorthirditus. once you think e/w you are already having doubts.

This thread could go on forever and get absolutely nowhere if we let it , majority of punters haven't a clue when to apply each way and when to avoid it like the plague and that will never change.

Hardly anyone who posts on here appears to bet pre-race so clearly little confidence of betting win only or each-way, at least before the race.

If you are betting pre-race so much is stacked against punters I think you would be mad not to take the extra insurance of betting each-way. I had my first double figure winner tonight since the Punchestown Festival. Lambourn was 10/1 for the Derby, but that was subject to a rule 4. Had I been backing just win only I would have been in a sorry state, but plenty of each-way collections have left me ticking over. I think I had 11 double figure priced horses placed at Royal Ascot. Imagine at such a competitive meeting getting zero reward for those?

i backed last winner at goodwood 28,s ew and had a rule 4,backed the 2nd ew at 20,s as well,the winner was a cliff horse backed it ew 4 times this yr,fell in to 6th once at enhanced places at 20,s i think, backed helvic at 10,s ew,
bad maths long run,but cant stomach getting 10,s + horses placed with no return, backed the 2nd and 3rd ew in the 1st at good at 7,s and 14,s so both would have been no pick ups after looking like having the winner

ive moved on to giving up a bit on winning price of golfers and backing them ew 1st 12,got sick of having tied places for 8th and next to nothing back for 50,s shots getting placed 1st 8

got noren ew last week at 80,s 1st 12 would have been a loser at 1st 8

16-1 2nd 1/5odds barely double your money and people shout great selection, good luck making a profit long term.

most of us no we arnt, we like a return on a 16,s placed

plenty of so called pro,s/ winners play ew sub 5 to 1

1tp that's knowing the race make up like Hayden said earlier.

so getting a 16,s shot placed is not knowing race make up,but a 7 to 2 **** placed is,everyone convinces themselves theyve back ew bet to nothing,out run its odds blah,blah

only getting 2,s for a 16,s ew placed, you can have a 100 7 to 2 shots placed the more you get the more your losing, 20% a pop

I was talking more specifically about 16-1 1/5 odds in a handicap where they're all supposed to finish in a line! better playing win only at BSP.

Some each-way bets to nothing can be near that if they maybe only have 1 to beat to place in a maiden/novice/etc and there's a fair chance they can win too. As Hayden has said many times, perfect races for multis if you could get on.

16e/w 1/5 you're not getting 2s you're getting just over evens your stake.

at 7 ro 2,3,s 2 or 3  in every 5 have to win anyway ,or your losing ,so if 50% of them are winning why would you back them ew  and not win only ?

50% wouldn't be winning but 90% might be placing

There has always been debates about this...
I remember years ago when it was one quarter the odds a place, a professional punter I knew would back as low as 2/1 each way... If the race make up was right, he argued that he was getting 70% of his stake back for just placing
I always bet ew in multiples especially with the extra places on some races that the bookies give

Any profitable strategy that works today , you wouldn't get on to any stake anyway on-line , doubt there's many pros out there any more. On-line banned , shops know you, on course win only on bad e/w races, no where left to go!

Exactly, swifty
Try doing an ew double on 2 bad ew races... You'd get on for small in the shops for a while but probably banned/restricted once they realised

Equally Divided is a great option you can do in shops - NOT 1 INTERNET FIRM OFFERS YOU THAT OPTION!

if that bet is in time order can't you just DIY?

if 90% are placing your losing £4 in every £20 on every bet,so at these prices still losing with one winner and if your betting on course minus all your ex,s, so why wouldnt you be doubling your stake on the winner,s,
like mentioned before if enough dont win your going bankrupt/skint  anyway just a little bit slower

reg 70% of his stake back
so he,s swapping £100 notes for £70 notes, anyone can sell £1 apples for 70p on the market,the reason they dont is they eventualy go bankrupt
all your doing is delaying the inevitable, 2,5 out of every 5 of these bets have to win anyway ,nearly 50% so why wouldnt you be backing all 5 win only ? instead of diluting your £ on the winners

the latest punting celeb SD says the same thing on his simon nott interview
argues/says he,s getting 1.6% for getting a 3,s shot placed, he,s not he,s losing 0.4%
he says yep but it might win,but if he,s getting 1.6% back it hasnt won

Betting e/w in low grade handicaps should be avoided at all costs.
Many horses are given a sympathetic ride to avoid placing and an increased mark.

so presumably they wont be winning either then ?

so what does it matter if you back them EW or to win

if we new which ones were NONNERS we wouldnt be backing them EW or TO WIN

If backing around 10/1 I back win only on here anything bigger I back win and 4 places on here I usually back in non handicaps ,mainly group races listed  novices and maidens which the books  usually offer 3 places max ,the extra place on here sometimes  turns a losing bet with the firms into a winner on the place part ,an example yesterday the  good wood group 2 race won by the Cox horse , the murtagh horse finished 4th 4 places on here 3 places with the books a loser with the firms but a winner if backing the 4 places on here .

i consoder myself a social/recreational punter but at 66 for the 1st time ive just used skys new P/L tool and for last months i,m 4.5% in front, but as i consider myself a very  small stakes punter i was shocked at how much i staked,which will obviously be volume rather than size of bets, if you staked 10 x + the size of stakes i normally use which would be under £40/50 quid  and roughly the same voulme i think most social punters would be shocked at their yearly outlay

Yes, turnover figures, beloved of campaigners, can be seriously misleading.

as for the EW debate , ALEX NOREN does the business again 1st 12 last night at 70,s

golf betting with 156 runners is slightly different 1tp! although, in saying that you should've done top 4!

yep but last nights sccoring was an example of why i now do top 12,couple of shots splitting top 20,and multiple ties for top 8 ,dilutes even 70,s shots massively, my top 12 is basicaly a top 8 with cover, and your usually only losing 10 pts ,a 5th of which is 2pts,i always have a couple of £ straight win at inflated odds on betfair to cover them winning ,noren was 135 on betfair

i saved my stake and a few £ ,backing fitzy at 18,s 1st 10 last night,would have been a loser 1st 8 and 1st 6 was only 20,s

is it really profitable though at bad place terms? too many golfers I've never heard of nowadays, especially on the European Tour, I find it a pin job. Used to like a few cross double perms got it up once with Michael Bradley winning the Puerto Rico Open!

extra places are not a good idea unless it is a 6 runner or a 7 runner with a no hoper

always worth looking out for n/rs where extra place races are as you can get 3 places 5 runners and allied to bog its difficult to lose

if each-way was bad for the bookies it wouldn't have lasted a day ....

Until a bookie closes you account you can make long term profits on their extra place races. Pick one ew whose odds are very close to the betfair ew prices. You can almost bet these blind long term.

Another way is to bet ew then place lay and win lay on betfair. I use a spreadsheet and if the expected odds from this type of play are over 10/1 (=net return/net stake)  then I will play the race.

so logic dictates singles must be good for bookmakers because theyve lasted ,
so you cant back ew
cant back singles
multiples for mugs
exchange is singles

what do you bet then ?

nothing lasts if they're good for the punter poster. 

even denise stopped giving you £200 every time you signed a spaghetti hoop up for a new account.

(lot of them in a can btw )

e/w is like dating a trans

only a 1/5 is woman & that's the gob mouth