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before Trawlerman. Think I know the answer but it's one for the oldtimers I think.
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Looks like Gladness.
I'm not QUITE that old though. |
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I would say her. Interesting she won the Gold Cup first ( both 1958 )
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Plenty of geldings couldn't run in Gold Cup for a long time. Sea Pigeon might have had a go but I don't think he wanted that far but would have loved the ground.
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Didn’t lester pig got ride it ??
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Was it Gladness ?
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Sorry Salmon, didn’t read your post
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She won the Goodwood Cup in between the 2. She carried 9-7 in the Ebor and won by 6 lengths in a field of 25. It was the highest winning weight for 75 years. Bottomweights were on 7-0. The year before, she ran 2nd in the Irish Lincoln with 10-0.
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Anybody know what was the last horse to win the Epsom Derby and the Ascot Gold Cup when neither was held at Newmarket.
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Ormonde?
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A bit after ged.
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Isinglass, Persimmon?
Ormonde didn't even run in the Ascot Gold Cup. His wind went as a 3yo, and he ended up running over 6f. Never beaten though. If it hadn't rained so much at York in 1958, a horse would have won the Coronation Cup, Eclipse, KG&QE, Ebor and Arc that year. Vincent O'Brien entered Ballymoss and Gladness in the Ebor, but Gladness preferred soft ground, and Ballymoss didn't like it, so Ballymoss was taken out not long before the race. He was still walked round the parade ring beforehand, as Vincent knew plenty of people wanted to see him, so he got Larry Wargen, a Newmarket apprentice who had travelled another horse to the meeting, to ride him round. Ballymoss and Gladness were in the same ownership, and their owner was leading owner in Britain that year, with just the 2 horses running for him. Gladness had been 20/1 for the Ebor before Ballymoss was taken out. She went off 5/1 fav. |
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Persimmon is correct.
There wer a couple who did the double in WWII when both races were held at Newmarket,though Ocean Swell did win at Ascot in'45. The other one was Owen Tudor who funnily enough became the foundation sire for a long list of sprinters,Cadeaux Genereux and Bahamian Bounty among them. |
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King George winner running in the Ebor would have been rather unusual I would guess ! I know Ballymoss was 4 but I think they have taken interest from the build-up /race by banning 3-y-o's. They latterly rarely got in but nice to have the option. I know it was for pattern b0ll0x.
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It was all about the money. The Eclipse that year was worth £11,600, the Ebor £10,200, the KG £23,000.
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interesting numbers ged. I suppose the Ebor is worth about the same in today's values but others have shot up
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The Ebor took a big jump in prize money in 1957. In 1956, it was worth £2,835, but in 1957 it was £10,214, and similar in 1958. In 1957, the top 2 in the weights were Hornbeam and French Beige, who'd been 2nd and 3rd in the previous year's St Leger, with Hornbeam winning the Voltigeur at York beforehand. Hornbeam was beaten half a length in the '57 Ebor with 9-4. In '58, he was 2nd again, but Gladness beat him by 6 giving him a pound. He also finished 2nd to her in the Ascot Gold Cup.
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Not sure how valuable the Ebor is.
Would have to be worth over £200k to the winner. |
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300k
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There you are. Today's owners shouldn't be whining about prize-money. Should be a bit more proactive.
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Mill House's jockey Willie Robinson rode in Gladness' Ebor, at 8-8. He was 24 at the time, so no kid.
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