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howard
14 Jun 25 10:23
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time and again it's total BS    Ron O  low 4.1    It was 1.3  IR




1¾    6. RON O    <        Daniel Tudhope    7    9-1    33/1    60    -/4.1
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Report stewarts rise June 14, 2025 10:29 AM BST
Think they only consider bets over £100 for IR purposes, don't know where they get the data from but presumably betfair provide it.
Report penzance June 14, 2025 10:31 AM BST
Do they go by a certain amount on a price?
Report GLASGOWCALLING June 14, 2025 10:42 AM BST
If you click on the lo price it says " Betfair prices of over £100 win purpose "
Report The Management June 14, 2025 11:36 AM BST
I'm pretty sure they are just plain getting some wrong - but the prevalence of penny bets is probably also having a fairly misleading/deceptive impact.

There was a horse the other day matched at a high of 520 (for one pence) and also matched at many intervals between 50-500 for pennies as well. The highest price matched for £1+ was just 42. I'd guess (I didn't check) that Timeform will probably have recorded it matched at a high of about 34 (assuming £3+ was matched at that price). That's fair enough (by their criteria) but it shows how thin the markets are now and how deceptive the graph is unless you check the volumes!

In terms of just plain getting it wrong, I tried to lay a horse I/R for £32 at 13.5 (having backed it at triple figure prices pre-race), I got about £11 of it matched for about £135 liability); Timeform has recorded the lowest price matched IR as 22. That's simply incorrect according to their own criteria.
Report swiftynifty June 14, 2025 11:40 AM BST
10p. matched at 1000 = £100, I don't want to see that in the data.
Report The Management June 14, 2025 11:53 AM BST
We're fast approaching the stage where 10 pence will be classed as a "big one" swifty ShockedGrin
Report howard June 14, 2025 11:56 AM BST
Ron O was traded for hundreds if not thousands at around evens and less
Report uptheirons June 14, 2025 12:01 PM BST
There is two thirds of F/A in most of the I/R on horse racing and I view the charts with a pinch of salt
Report howard June 15, 2025 12:39 PM BST
Trainer    (Equip)    (OR)    (Place)
2 (11)    William Carson silk        11. CINDY LOU WHO    <    premium content        premium content    William Carson    3    9-1    25/1    35.12    -/1.01

A load of these where they give the winners low number.  I think we know that. It's the high number we want.
Report howard June 15, 2025 12:43 PM BST
that was a dq. race but they do it with others
Report longbridge June 16, 2025 3:37 PM BST
The last time I checked, the numbers were the same as those here:

https://promo.betfair.com/betfairsp/prices

which only counts those with £100 or more payout.
Report bettinghelp June 16, 2025 4:08 PM BST
£100 matched at evens IR, plus £100 matched at each of 1.9, 1,8, 1.7 1.6 etc. but BF/TF only count the even ton.

You could have a grand matched below 2.0, but it gets ignored cos individually it's sub-£100 liabilities.
Report howard June 16, 2025 4:15 PM BST
thanks betting help  but like Ron O  there's plenty that don't fit their rules imo and are just mistakes. You have to remember the amounts matched though until the IR numbers are put up 24 hrs later
Report bettinghelp June 16, 2025 4:32 PM BST
Yes, there are mistakes too.
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