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Reporting that Buick is not happy with the ground after riding in the 1st race
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I would pull him out. How we have got to this situation after months of dry weather is a joke.
It's won twice on good and placed on GF?
Mind there is the consideration that there's the penalty of Buick on it to consider I suppose....
Mind there is the consideration that there's the penalty of Buick on it to consider I suppose....
It would be the right decision to pull him out. Keep him fresh for the Eclipse
Like a mug, I am going to keep the faith
Connections know nothing. It's the best horse
5s to 10s means more for me
Just about to Nap it.
Connections know nothing. It's the best horse
5s to 10s means more for me
Just about to Nap it.
Dunno if it is IdiotTV (sic) or RTV but having that silly paddy t@rt piping up occasionally is pf no real benefit.
bloke in tops n tails behind lydia there looked like he hired them last yr and been sleeping under a tree on course ever since 
Mangan suggesting there is more to this than meets the eye, something we don't know
Non-Runner confirmed
Notice large St James Palace bets going in
Notice large St James Palace bets going in
Whatwould Charlie know aboust stamina?....the guy is clueless ffs.
I would estimate that he is light years in front of you Acey and good luck to anybody backing it for RAscot
Notice large St James Palace bets going in
good luck beating gosden's
good luck beating gosden's
A good price for Field Of Gold if Ruling Court is rerouted to the SJP.
Jun 7, 2025 -- 1:51PM, mrcombustible wrote:
Mangan suggesting there is more to this than meets the eye, something we don't know
on times its nowhere near the "nearly soft" they are quoting
There will be another day for RC. I believe The Lion in Winter will take a huge step forward from his comeback run in the Dante. I think the trip will suit him, but obviously the going is the unknown. At the prices it worth paying to find out if handles it. GL:
Shame really, spoils the race to some extent.
Is Epsom now the new Goodwood?
Is Epsom now the new Goodwood?
If the COTC hadn't watered the Course we would probably be racing on Good ground and the horse would have run(not that I fancied it)
so called pro,s/trainers spending a fortnight telling you he,s not a miler,will stay ok,pulls out next stop ,st james palace ,just taking people for fooking fools .
The Derby the race everybody wants to Win?....Aye tell Charlie that.
Jun 7, 2025 -- 2:18PM, acey deucy wrote:
A Bog fair enough but that is decision is ridiculous.
they realised in the oaks milers get found out
given it didn't rain for 3-4 weeks straight through may would be firm ground at best w/o watering
but he should be aiming for g/f, targeting easy side of good for oaks day is total bs imo
maybe their filly is a stone in front of their colts at home,so deided whats the point,came looking for a reason not to run
Jun 7, 2025 -- 2:29PM, 1st time poster wrote:
maybe their filly is a stone in front of their colts at home,so deided whats the point,came looking for a reason not to run
on form the 2000 is a lot stronger than the 1000
he,s basically ruling out
champions day
arc weekend
most races in ire
going forward and anywhere with gd to sft in the description,
11 days till RA plenty of rain about next week/showers be lucky not have sft in description somewhere at RA
champions day
arc weekend
most races in ire
going forward and anywhere with gd to sft in the description,
11 days till RA plenty of rain about next week/showers be lucky not have sft in description somewhere at RA
think the defeat of the filly drained the stable's confidence - would have been crushing to lose both derby and oaks with guineas winners
He does not need to run. I think Appleby could see delaying a decision would not help any backer or supporter of the horse.
The rain has arrived. Another 40 mins to the off.
The rain has arrived. Another 40 mins to the off.
Bottled it. You don't learn anything from them standing in their box "Aidan O Brien"
Why risk a 2.8 million classic winning horse on ground that it would hate on a khazi of a track. Correct decision made.
Is it a risk? Surely not physically.
People go on about the damage that the utter dominance of Coolmore, Willie Mullins, etc; does to racing but for me nothing does the reputation of Racing more damage than this nonsense - withdrawing a fav. from one of the highest profile races on the day of the race.
Very, very poor.
Charlie Appleby on The Chase - How does one trainer manage to win so many Derbys?
Answers - a. Entering and running as many top class horses as possible. b. Declaring them non runners on the day of the race. c. Licking Godolphin’s rss and doing what you’re told.
People go on about the damage that the utter dominance of Coolmore, Willie Mullins, etc; does to racing but for me nothing does the reputation of Racing more damage than this nonsense - withdrawing a fav. from one of the highest profile races on the day of the race.
Very, very poor.
Charlie Appleby on The Chase - How does one trainer manage to win so many Derbys?
Answers - a. Entering and running as many top class horses as possible. b. Declaring them non runners on the day of the race. c. Licking Godolphin’s rss and doing what you’re told.
I'd not run him either if I was the owner. The horse is a Guineas winner; today's race is 12f. And, with the prevailing ground (soft/tacky), and a possible deluge in the offing the chance of him staying or winning is greatly reduced. There are so many good races he'd run in esp SJP and Eclipse around the corner.
The ground was obviously worse than the official going as plenty of the jockeys concurred with Buick's opinion.
I take your respected word for it TMB. With the emphasis on respected.
However, how potentially getting beat twenty lengths in a Derby on unsuitable going would damage the horse’s stud career beats me.
(having already bagged a classic).
I can’t believe there isn’t more consternation about it. The abuse Nicky Henderson got when he withdrew some of his would seem appropriate in this case too.
Be lucky.
However, how potentially getting beat twenty lengths in a Derby on unsuitable going would damage the horse’s stud career beats me.
(having already bagged a classic).
I can’t believe there isn’t more consternation about it. The abuse Nicky Henderson got when he withdrew some of his would seem appropriate in this case too.
Be lucky.
Everyone entitled to their opinion honcho. No problems there and can understand the disappointment of RC backers. I just think on this occasion and seeing the filly get beat in the Oaks (which I think they thought would bolt up) they took a longer term view for the horse. I would have made the same decision but I realise others would have let him take his chance.
I think it's an insult comparing Appleby to Hendo. Hendo would repeatedly provide positive update about the well-being of a horse for a targeted race, then not declare and/or switch its target last minute eg Lalumba.
Also, Hendo is sponsored by a bookie!
Also, Hendo is sponsored by a bookie!
Oooooh! Get you. No bookies no racing you said the other day. lol.
I said no racing = no bookies. Horseracing has provided a regular profitable source of funds for the bookies; fobt at present for bookies. As such, differentiate and regulate horseracing and fobt.
Nonsensical to run him. Myriad of reasons. Shouldn't be a debate.
probably shouldn't ever have been entered - was never going to win it
I hope we get a deluge of ground-softening rain throughout Monday night in advance of Tuesday’s St James’s Palace.
Jun 15, 2025 -- 6:40PM, LoyalHoncho wrote:
I hope we get a deluge of ground-softening rain throughout Monday night in advance of Tuesday’s St James’s Palace.
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