Philip Byrnes

Pro riders are on horses as soon as they can walk,particulary the ones that come from racing stock,a soft unseat is no big deal as it's something they grew up with.


On a related point there's no comparison with what happened in Wexford to the Annie Power fall at Cheltenham which I've seen being coupled.

From one end of the class divide to the other.
Not Skelton’s finest moment at Warwick.
Too confident by half.

The horse is a horrible,twenty four carat rogue Honcho

eh? 3 runs and won on the snaff lto.

Pulled like a mustang at Worcester and Skelton got dogs abuse on here for holding onto it until the very last moment Rico.
Same today but found little after the last.
It's all about opinions but mine is stated.

ran on well run in..should have been in lead before last..shud have won.

A strongly run race will be its best chance and its in at Worcester on Saturday

Have the creatures been banned yet?

katie price and gemma collins?  from greggs?

Gemma has single handedly stopped the "all you can eat" Buffets

G Hall • June 4, 2025 12:21 PM BST
is Australian racing better ran than uk/ireland?

I know a guy who bets on Australian racing full time,no other source of income, he claims the form is way easier and more reliable,and he lives in UK.

are you talking about stewyb?

no,buzzy b

In Australia the same books who will not lay a copper coin over here are forced to do so

not only that but the stewards are extremely active

eg, if a nag that usually goes off in front isnt going to do so, you have to inform the stewards in advance and this is passed on to punters. if you dont, you are fined and banned

and if you dead-heat you can be banned if they think you should have won outright

aus racing in general is miles better served than we are. ditto the u.s. and france, and hong kong and ..

Making racing straight is important but some of those rules in Aus are way over the top. Horses are not motor bikes. If a horse decides it wants to veer off a straight line or refuses to go past another horse in a close finish, do they fine the horse, the jockey or the trainer? If the whole field starts at a canter and one jockey takes the initiative by taking the lead is he fined if the Stewards were not informed before the race?

swiftly I can well believe your post.  I still prefer Aussie greyhound racing to what we have over here.

The one thing I noticed from watching the Aussie stuff down the years, and I don't know the stats, but it always appears to me that a far greater proportion of "fancied" horses win their races than we see over here, a lot fewer rags tend to win from what I've noticed down the years.

Their dog racing is just so professional compared to the stuff we have to tolerate daily, No fallers interfering with race outcomes, no blankets erected at the wrong time to stop dogs (by a handler who’s not realised they’re going round again), no starting traps needing removed after every start, etc;
It takes a while to get your head around their form sheets but is well worth the effort ( I found ).
Just the inconvenient timing which gets to you eventually.

Duffy

Mate told me that about the fancied horses having a better strike rate a few years ago , how true i've no idea.

That's one reason i never look at it as i'm a double digit & outsider backer only so wouldn't be any good for me.

Our own crooked low class stuff suits me just fine   

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/horse-racing/update-investigation-controver...

This one is a biggie,if connections can make the explanation fly in this investigation well then it's whatever you're having yourself going forwards.

The King has no clothes.

They have no case to answer.Nothing will happen.Who ever was laying Redwood Queen ask them why they didnt fancy it.Redwood Queen was giving a good ride and had every chance too win the race.She was a cheap claim for 6000.

They will get away with it but, while nothing can be proven, there is a case to answer. 6k might be a bargain buy for someone but the connections made a lot more than that from the race.

That is pure supposition

Yes it is but its also true. Lack of evidence does not prove his innocence. He has, for years now, forfeited the benefit of the doubt. He's a repeat and compulsive offender.

Well put visor. Just because it can't be "proven" doesn't mean the creatures are innocent. 1 million percent guilty. Anyone with a working braincell can see the sprog jumped off. 2 lifetime bans AND jail sentences is what's needed here. Message needs to be sent out.

I think that most agree that Byrnes Snr is a thoroughly reprehensible individual who should not hold a Training Licence.
However,the burden of proof lies clearly with the prosecution and no person ever has to prove their innocence

And,I pray to the Good Lord that dickster never gets to serve on a Jury

Uptheirons, on the one hand you are saying that he should not be allowed hold a training licence but on the other hand he should not have to prove his innocence. So which is it?
Its not a matter for a court of law, this is a sport and it has a governing body. He's a persistent blatent cheat. He is clearly not going to lay his own horses using his own betting accounts so getting sufficient concrete evidence together is going to be almost impossible. The stewards know full well what happened but, like all sporting governing bodies these days, they will be challenged in a court if they hand out bans and the court will almost certainly rule in favour of the defendent. So common sense goes out the window and the trainer will continue to make a mockery of the system as he has always done. Getting away with it is a world away from meaning he is innocent.

Nobody ever has to prove their innocence,it is a fundamental basis of justice.
If you cannot understand this you are as thick as dickster

Ok, now if you are so hell bent on giving him the presumption of innocence, can you please explain this I think that most agree that Byrnes Snr is a thoroughly reprehensible individual who should not hold a Training Licence. So why, if innocent until proven guilty, do you believe he should not have a licence?

The wig wearer is the forum idiot. He, like EVERYONE connected with the Sport, KNOWS the 2 creatures are totally guilty. Daddy byrnes doesn't know what "innocence" is therefore should not be afforded it. The judge demands 100% evidence. 99.999% won't do him. He doesn't understand "in all probability" or "beyond all reasonable doubt". Creatures should have been banned as soon as the sprog jumped off. Let's start with say 2 years. Throw the ball into the creatures court. Let him appeal . That will take a long time. Whereas he still must serve some sort of sentence. In the creatures case its guilty EVERY time until proven  innocent.

What has Byrnes done wrong in his training career?

Not sure if you have ever heard of ‘google’, that will keep you going for the morning.

But do you know why he got the 6 month ban?

Yes, I count reading as being one of my strong points.

So what was his reason for getting the ban CaptainCristy if you are good at reading?

Why are you asking me if you know already, just plain stupid. And, just because you are Irish it doesn’t mean you have to defend every fcuking jockey,trainer, rider no matter what kind of rogue they may be.

Just answer the question if you know so much about Charles Byrnes why he was banned for 6 months?
I am not defending Charles just stating the facts.

Read the Guardian article, easily found, totally fcuking pointless when it is there.

It's a matter of public record cloone so why are you asking?

Ok seeing that you dont know I will tell you the reason why Charles Byrnes got a 6 month ban was for leaving his horse Viking hoard unattended at Tramore racecourse.

Regretably,cloone,you omitted to mention that during that time his horse was given a massive dose of ACP.
You would defend Hitler if he were a Paddy

We got there in the end. Obviously they did that as they could ‘prove’ it happened. Short of having a photo of someone with a needle injecting it these things can’t be ‘proved’. Likely you would be defending some of the best known criminals in history on this basis.

You have me wrong uptheirons.If you wanted to look up the caes that was the reason he got the 6 months.
Nobody was ever caught for dopeing Viking Hoard.The way that case was dealt with had alot of questions to answer.Was Viking Hoard the only horse to get doped that year?Was they not a case in Newcastle were one of the Easterby horses was doped to lose?

Horses have been "got at" since racing began and nobody is suggesting that it only  happens in Ireland as it goes on everywhere

If found guilty of louping it should carry lifetime…..

Its a pity the case wasnt handle better.

The very last thing that The BHA and the IHRB want is any aspersions cast on the integrity of horse racing as lack of punter confidence results in lower funding

slickster 12 Jun 25 23:27 
Well put visor. Just because it can't be "proven" doesn't mean the creatures are innocent. 1 million percent guilty. Anyone with a working braincell can see the sprog jumped off. 2 lifetime bans AND jail sentences is what's needed here. Message needs to be sent out.


the hole world knew OJ was gilty.

Ok, now if you are so hell bent on giving him the presumption of innocence, can you please explain this I think that most agree that Byrnes Snr is a thoroughly reprehensible individual who should not hold a Training Licence. So why, if innocent until proven guilty, do you believe he should not have a licence?

It's a good question, irons?

would enniwon on here cheat if training?

stu,if you care to trawl through the thread you will see that I stated that he should not hold a Licence. Unfortunately,he does and it will take a great deal more than people bleating on the BF Forum to alter that.
I hope this helps

I think the question was why do you think he shouldn't hold a licence.

You have a very negative approach to this forum at times I've noticed, and some specific posters, but have not been here very long - were you someone else on here before maybe?

Because he is not a fit and proper person to do so but,that is just an opinion.
Dickster thinks his opinion is a statement of fact.
You may have noticed that I do not suffer fools gladly,stu.

So did you just join recently on here?

What do you think stu?

The Byrnes case should not need to be proven for action to be taken and there is scope in the IHRB rules for this, in all other sports decisions are meted out on officials opinions all the time.

If you want to stick to the "it must be proved" line, then consider what is stopping this sort of thing happening every single day because it can't be proven.

There is very little chance of action being taken against Byrnes Snr imo

graham gibbons was ruined when he lost against freddie even though it could not be proved-it was entirely a matter of opinion and various expert wirtnesses disagreed on whether he was negligent but the judge sided with the plaintiff despite having no knowledge of racing

it certainly wasnt 'proved' and could not be. why couldnt we have the same for byrnes? sad fact is gibbons was punished for the outcome, not the offence. thers a hundred worse examples every week but as nobody is paralysed no action is taken

shane foley could have crippled 6 jockeys in one go at leop a few years ago-even aob was moved to say its was a disgrace and he shouild have got a long holiday

id agree they are going to struggle to get snr byrnes unless either he's messed up or someone talks, one thing that will come into play is even if they think jnr has jumped off, there is an argument to say it could have been the two jocks coluding and the trainers never knew a thing (i know, just saying)

Omerta

about time

only joking

phone records (and recordings or messages) are the only way anyone seems to get caught nowadays but im sure there wont be any

There is more chance of you taking the "pledge" mitolo

im not sure the odds are even that good

Straight as a dye and wins with a 96.0 today

His good friend Tony Martin

another strait as a die winner

I was trying to get dickster in

ttt

Are these 2 creatures not behind bars yet?????

Amazingly secure on the well backed Reverend Hubert

All that fuss for what?

2 weeks ago the investigation was nearing a conclusion according to Racing TV, so hopefully they won’t be around for much longer

I understand it takes some time to get the necessary proof to finally rid the sport of these abhorrent creatures. But it's going on a while. Should not be allowed walk the streets freely.

There is more chance of swimming the Channel handcuffed than a guilty verdict as I told you on day one

That should be of a corrupt act not incompetence

unless they've got something other than the video i can't see how they would risk it

Backing the winner there avoids having to Lay their horse,elise.
Whilst Byrnes Snr is a hideous individual,he never struck me as being stupid

if they could prove they'd done that i think they'd see it as enough to do them, i doubt they will find even that

everybody knows what he did.  we all saw it. 

they'll have covered themselves so impossible to prove.  but we know what he did.

Nobody is debating what happened Hulk.
Proving it is entirely another matter

The IHRB working with their usual speed

hearing set for december .....not see the footage of the incident for a while so just watched it again . looks worse than i originally thought .

How is this creature still allowed sit on horses and ride in races ? Defies all logical belief. We understand it must be proven but we ALL KNOW he's 100% guilty of jumping off on purpose  for monetary gain for daddy. Just another thing wrong with racing be it the UK or Ireland. Do that in hong kong and you would not be breathing 5 minutes later.

Let's hope they are off the track for at least 12 months. It was so blatant it beggared belief. Thsese racing cretins are treating punters with disdain and contempt.

It's high time they go on a long holiday. I hope the IHRB does not disappoint..

Airshot Dean got the lifetime,deservedly……

We shall see

Spineless Ireland and UK anything goes….

Aussie land and Hong Kong look after their fodder……

Any credibility remaining for the IHRB will be lost if they don't act on what we all saw.

Did anything happen regarding the stewards on the day?

ie, the inaction.

been at it for years and never had the book thrown at him.  The Laetitia incident at Cork was over 20 years ago. 

The stewards that day determined that Laetitia had not been allowed to race fairly to win.

Fakenham 2.05 is how you fall off at the last hurdle, Philip!

One was intentional the other was Fakenham

I'd say that's what it looks like when it's accidental (today). If doing it deliberately, that's what it needs to look like.