top jockey in trouble ?????

Extel

Chris Dixon on the Racing channel did not ask any awkward questions when interviewing the miscreant

mrc..

Chris Dixon (and his ilk) will NEVER ask any awkward Q's...

he's part of the industry...

more chance of Man U winning next years EPL title tbh.

The jockey winning on Miss Information. You couldn't make it up

The horseracing presenters have no shame. The named jockey slammed his car into a tree badly injuring a young lady passenger; he also refused to give a specimen to the police when requested. Yet, these presenters at ITV Racing and those at the course will not ask the jockey concerned (he's been named in the newspapers) about the latest on his lady passenger, and why the jockey has not given a specimen to the police.

These presenters are spineless; their silence has been bought!

impossible...

if you haven't known for years they are spineless i have no idea what you've been listening to tbh.

Chamberlain doesn’t hide tbf….

This is when we need McCririck or Clare Balding. They are not afraid to ask prudent and impertinent questions about horseracing.

Pay attention when a fancied one is beaten……big Ed.   “ what happened there guys “…..

fairly obvious Murphy has agreed to interviews as long as crash isn't mentionedf so instead of ITV.ruk telling him to shove they've spoiled themselves by interviewing him and ignoring racings big story of the week,despite mentioning it earlier

saxon farm!  Lolololol.

https://www.racingtv.com/watch/on-demand/interviews/776955

It’s a little quirk in the innocent until proven guilty system.

So registered alcoholic mounts pavement drunk,kills 3 kids.
He’s over the limit,bailed to attend court,but the next day does the same again,because he’s technically innocent till his court date.

Surely ,over the limit,or failure to provide,should mean,instant ban ,which can be deducted from court ban,like being on remand.

Some people are held on remand for months,years,then the case is dropped,it’s just tough.they can’t do anything.

So surely,a instant driving ban could be done,and if it turns out ,not guilty,then tough.

People on here castigating presenters for failing to grill oisin about his private life . Why should they ? It's a racing programme . He is erudite when discussing his mounts and their races . That's what the people who watch the programme want to hear .
You lot should buy the rags to get your vicarious thrills and not expect them on a racing programme

In this case a failure to provide a specimen when requested by Police after a motor accident is as good as guilty without bar a court appearance and adjudication. As such, I think an immediate ban on driving ought to be automatic and legally valid.

Fullset, you seem very keen to protect a driver resposible for putting a young girl in hospital with a broken back, the driver has already committed an offence in the laws eyes by refusing to give a sample so why the bha are allowing him to still ride is beyond me.

BHA,nothing to do with them.

The law is at fault here.

What if he crashes again tomorrow,kills someone,then refuses to provide.

Most people are suspended from jobs etc,until investigation completed,drink driving is black and white,over or under,failure to test is classed as over,
There is no defence in court,unless faulty equipment ,weird dna etc.
Like I said about remand,should be instant ban,then that time should be included within the ban.for the very odd case it’s overturned,then ,tough

I think there's the safety and integrity aspect of the jockey's action. The jockey concerned has a history of substance and drink abuse. His work involves riding horses at high speed which is definitely a safety issue, to his fellow jockeys; his repeated transgression of substance and drink abuse contravenes integrity, judgement and responsibility of a fit and proper person in his profession.

As such, I think horseracing presenters should ask impertinent but relevant questions pertaining to his motor incident where a female passenger was injured, and his refusal to provide a specimen when requested by Police.

Penzance,so if he was arrested for raping a trainers child,it’s not to do with bha,innocent till proven guilty etc,nothing to do with racing.

At what point does private life impact on public life,giving it’s a tv sport.

Maybe each case should be on merit.

So yes,1 jockey slightly over limit,no crash,can carry on.

But history of this,plus crash.

Unless he fails a breathe test on track they can't stop him riding.
Just like if it happened to a brickie,it's nothing to do with work,
he will still be able to lay bricks.

BHA,nothing to do with them.


That doesnt surprise me given the vast amount of differing authoritys, so who is ultimately responsible for allowing him to ride on.??

But brickies don’t lay bricks on itv ,whilst Matt chapman swoons over his technic with the trowel

Chapman getting stick on social media for not speaking out. I'm the very last person to back him up in anything but I understand where he's coming from when he says they can't say anything as it's a police investigation.

But he rides horses at speed competitively in a confined area in public which is a hazard in itself similar to driving a car on a public road whilst under the influence of drink or an illegal substance

.... So it is the BHA then. ??

Plus they can’t breathilise him cos of his piles

BHA statement from February 2023 regarding Murphy being granted a licence to ride again:

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/press_releases/bha-statement-regarding-the-licence-of-oisin-murphy/

"While the full conditions will not be made public, they include the need for Mr Murphy to remain sober and avoid the use of any illicit substances or social drugs. To monitor this, Mr Murphy will be subject to an enhanced testing regime both on the racecourse, and through the providing of hair samples for analysis at random times of the BHA’s choosing.

Mr Murphy must also engage in regular contact, through his own medical professionals, with  Dr Jerry Hill to ensure his ongoing fitness to ride. These conditions will be reviewed after 12 months, as well as being subject to alteration or amendment should the BHA consider this necessary during the course of his licence.

If any of the conditions are not met, the BHA reserves the right to seek the suspension or the withdrawal of Mr Murphy’s licence as applicable."

Racing tv are happy to announce that a leading top flat jockey will be joining our presentation team for this years ascot meeting.

He’s clearly going to get a driving ban,so it’s going to be a strange situation,where he’s banned,but able to ride,given his history.

They clearly have to breathalise him before every meeting,this might help him,but you can see a situation where he doesn’t turn up.

How do trainers and owners feel,riding first lot at 6am,
He’s obviously well loved,cos everyone bends over backwards for him.

He’s clearly going to get a driving ban,so it’s going to be a strange situation,where he’s banned,but able to ride,given his history.


Exactly, thats the bit I dont understand, as regards the drink and drug testing thats something every jockey has to adhere to. ??

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/fail-to...

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/causing...

to quote Chappers, lucky,chamberlain etc etc when defending jocks riding horses pished or drugged up,who in their right mind would get on 2 tonne of horse under threat influence of drugs,drink etc
THE SORT OF JOCKS THAT GET BEHIND THE WHEEL OF A CAR AFTER A DRINK ,PUTTING ANYONE IN AND OUT OF THE CAR IN DANGER,
THEM SORT OF FOOKING JOCKS

I believe the named jockey under the influence of a banned substance for driving and who put a young female passenger in hospital because he smashed his car into a tree was the instigator and cause of an on-track racing incident in the future the BHA will be sued for every penny going. Unfortunately, until this happens the BHA will not act as the regulator of horseracing.

Will the Hong Kong Jockey Club be as relaxed as the BHA in this matter?

He had the look of a troubled person today tbh….

not used to going 8  hrs without a drink with eyes of the racing world on him

But, he seemed super info-giving and complying with Ollie Bell. How long before the whole thing about his drink related motor accident involving an injury to a young female passenger and a tree is under the spotlight of the media and possibly the BHA?

The inevitable is only postponed.

Ask Freddie Tylicki about the damage a drink can do on a racehorse!
Good luck to you Freddie - hope your new life/business is thriving.

Was anyone under the influence of drink in that life-changing incident with Mr Tylicki? I thought it was loose ice/ground.

https://www.wrigleyclaydon.com/blog/2021/12/28/jockey-sues-fellow-racer-for-...

Mr Tylicki won the case. Had he been compensated £6m? Was Mr Gibbons under any influence of drink or a prohibited substance?

think witnesses under oath said they could smell it on him and he had a record of getting young jocks to do alcholpish test for him

Wow! If so the BHA already has a precedent yet has taken no action against the jockey who put a young lady in hospital due to a drink-driving accident last week.

I think one does not need to be test-positive to behave differently if under the influence of drink. The drink will probably increase one's heartbeat, and be anxious too. It could also give the impression one is in control when the opposite is more likely.

You're sounding the prosecuting counsel,impossible...or the expert witness called by them..

not been charged, not sure how he thinks people can act when they wouldn't actually know what he's facing charges wise, just let the police do their job

We do know the possible charges as they were stated by Thames Valley Police

arrested for causing serious injury by dangerous driving and failing to provide specimen for analysis.

and they are not confirmed, they may change and be worse, he was arrested bailed not charged

Let's hope no attempt to switcheroo the driver of the accident. Not willing to provide a specimen is always a giveaway. Piles induced?

not likely is it? the police arrested him, they'll have dna from airbags and seat belt marks on the occupants if that comes into play which is also part of the investigation and they will do some of that because they have a seriously injury and it could even have been life threatening

Yes fairly impossible i'd say to get away with that nonsense with the technology today , many years ago Cecil tried that " It wasn't me driving " caper but at least he confessed to the not too dissimilar crime the following day.

id be amazed if they are not doing cctv of his route and stops for the hours prior, not just driving but pubs, food etc, payments on his card, they will put something to cps and i wouldn't be surprised if the final version of this looks even worse for him

Why refused to provide a specimen? Unless it could come up with something else too eg charlie, fentanyl, etc. The drink driving charge will be a slam dunk case. A stay of execution for about 6 months to be confirmed in court.

doesn't change anything he's going to get done for it, he made a decision on the night and it will get dealt with, he doesn't get off does he, it's just a different charge to dd

How he is allowed to carry on riding is beyond astounding, forget about innocence until proven guilty or whatever you want to call it.

There is a possibility that there is an issue with the individual that would hinder his ability to do his job safely which would provide a danger to himself and others if the issue is shown to be genuine. Surely on the grounds of safety the individual should be stood down whilst the investigation is carried out.

One can only imagine the fall out should the unthinkable happen with the authorities standing on watching.

It is ironic that the mere wiff of noise from the animal rights mob and the BHA collectively sh1t themselves and jump to attention but here with a situation that potentially is far far worse they do diddly squat.

it's not drink driving, it's failing to provide

duffy, it's because he hasn't been charged with anything as yet, it's the way the law works

Lot's of instances where investigations are being carried out individuals are prevented from working.

Why wait for a trial,just let the BF Forum try and convict him

bha are not one that will act to ban him from riding in a sport until they know what they are dealing unless he fails a test on track and you can bet they are all over him given daily the risks and the fallout if he has an issue

i do think if the clamour to get him off track increased in the media they might be forced to make a statement or even stand him down but they'd have as many issues with that, seeing him charged puts them in a better place

The jockey might have disagreed to provide (his prerogative) a specimen, but the coppers could say the jockey's breath smelled of alcohol, displayed visible signs of drug use, etc; failing to provide will not go down well at the magistrate court.

Never does he will get max ban and fine,little deterent to some though...

Declining a breath test is accepted as an admission of guilt in Law

Refusing to provide a specimen of breath, blood or urine for analysis
You may get:

6 months’ imprisonment
an unlimited fine
a ban from driving for at least 1 year (3 years if convicted twice in 10 years)

doesn't matter if they can smell alcohol, he's failed to provide

I got a year ban for refusing.

sry 11kv same time

If you don't provide a breath/sample you are automatically  charged with failure to provide, so in that sense he has been charged surely.?

No deterent,unless you need to drive for work.

He’s almost certainly been charged with some things.

Just being nosey kenbo why ?

Impossible did you suffer a head injury as a child or was it later? Btw the police could say he was falling over but without a breath sample or drug scrape have no evidence to charge him with either of the DDs.

Long story really, 11kv. I was bladdered, but wasn’t driving, even though I was in the drivers seat when the cops approached the drivers side door. The rest is guessable.

they have passenger seats on bulldozers?

Kenbo, it explains you're Fantasy picks lately

Having said that, I've blown it this week now

I’ve got 22 points from 12 players this week! Couldn’t get that low if I was trying!

oisin's going for 22pts on his licence

begs the ? if Murphy is prepared to front it out with plod after a serious accident,how many times has the sports champion jockey fronted it with the so called jobsworth alcohol/drug testers on course,if its random testing maybe Murphy other top jocks  has a designated date/day when they no they will be pulled and now their free after that till given another date, surely the best answer for Murphy with his record would be to agree to be tested everyday,unless that already happens

I think that would be a result for him!

A spoiled individual riding  for people who were probably spoiled rotten during the upbringing imo….tbh.

Once a brat always a brat tbf..

The teeth and tweed brigade who hunt foxes are similar ilk….tbh….I think the naughty boy rides with them….

I think the jockey could refuse to provide a specimen post an accident even if the Police suspected the jockey was driving eg the jockey did not admit to driving or committing the accident; was in the passenger seat (when the Police arrived) despite smelling of alcohol.

However, if proven, the penalty will be more severe eg a lengthier driving ban and mega cost (no issue here) imposed. Nevertheless, at that time of the morning of the accident, his breath smelling of alcohol and with a book of rides in the afternoon it can only prove unfavourably, and detrimental to his riding career with the BHA.

I think the woman’s parents will have asked her what happened,almost certain to tell them exactly what happened…..

Watch with interest…..

No sh1t, Sherlock!

lots of jocks with addictions making the weights is crippling for many of them, tough sport

People used to refuse breath test to avoid Drink Driving on their License

kenbo used to have a man with a flag in front of his steam car who'd take a test for him

Drunk drivers should be fired up to the fkn moon tbh….

Stopped by plod and sitting there stinking of stale booze slurring a load of Pee….ffs

Hanging Judge Aceform has spoken

it's hard to justify drink driving though, how do you when someone may have lost a loved one?

should add substances as well i guess

The Law will prevail and contrary to 1st time  poster's statement,you cannot front it out with the police or BHA demand for a breath test

Powder and booze and any other kind of dirt used by the silly people tbh….

Wrap them in orange and throw the key in the sea….

Cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen; cannot do the sentence, don't do the crime; lying = kidding yourself = chicken coming back to roost.

Any updates on this accident.

Doubtful if the woman is not connected to horse racing…..she’ll probably be treated as fodder…

Have any pundits made reference to this incident?
I would be more than surprised if they did.