Constitution Hill to run at Punchestown.

Looks like it's over for constitution Hill,stateman very good again

Won’t see him in public again.

Can we drop the "GOAT" nonsense now. And also start giving State Man some respect (not as a great, but as a very good horse).

slow into stride, ballooned the first, in fact never showed it's normal fluency over the hurdles. Stale or sour, not the same horse there for sure.

Don't be a prick Kriskin,the horse is finished

Quite right,In Hell.Henderson’s PR disastrous.

Just like at Cheltenham looks like he just doesn’t want to know anymore.

May 2, 2025 -- 6:50PM, uptheirons wrote:

Don't be a prick Kriskin,the horse is finished

Ur some expert with the some of the stuff u state on here.  Keep quiet

i watched on RTE...Mangan tipped CH , Ruby and Davy Russell, State Man....

if they are going to persist a change of yards isn't the worst idea, guess they'll see if anything shows up but the lights went out along way from home

Send CH to Willie.....

Strontium\, enough of the nonsense. He's become the Hawk Wing of the jumps game.
Bored with the narrative, lets move on and they can do what the hell with the horse.

May 2, 2025 -- 6:52PM, elise wrote:

if they are going to persist a change of yards isn't the worst idea, guess they'll see if anything shows up but the lights went out along way from home

100% spot on

cant blame the horse jumped the 1st like he,d been taught to jump the  mini fences at home, they,d wrongly decided he was good enough to win if he just got over the hurdles, didn't even want to start,Bowen nearly fell off at the 1st,another monumental balls up from team hendo

state Man, watching again, runs with his head down, a real trier as well as a very good horse...Another french horse mind...

Horse didn't look as though it wanted to line up. Not a good look. Still think if they were confident in him they would have msfe the running. Horse looks as though he's happy to just lob around behind horses.

If he where mine I would send him to a good flat racing yard.

Hurdling is no longer for him.

They can then tell you if he is up to winning group races over the longer distances after a few months.

If not just retire him.

At his peak C Hill would have beaten any hurdler, imo
But his health has let him down.
Just bad luck.

Over to do the bookies a favour emptying peoples pockets

Is it posdible that because the horse hasn't been run that often he's got used to an easy life and has decised 'sod this'?

It's a shame we didn't see more of him when he was fit and well, remember the talk of him going over to take on Honeysuckle at Punchestown after the Supreme win as a novice....bet they wished they had now, it's that type of thing that we'd now be discussing now the time has come to consider where he sits....unfortunately we haven't got a big enough body of work to sit him alongside the greats.

Hendo most prob will come out with the excuse,heart fibrillation,bet Uknowbet knew.

Agree entirely Duffy.

Height of disrespect to the horses and connections who best him previously from Henderson saying that the horse was still unbeaten as it had fallen twice.

he's just flicking through the excuses handbook to see if there's a 2 falls and a submission version

The 2 falls have destroyed the horse imo,it doesn't know whether to stick or twist at every obstacle.

This may sound disrespectful. I think it's time to switch the horse to another stable. If so, may I suggest H de Bromhead. It's more competitive in Ireland.

Quite ironic and racing's equivalent of chasing your losses, when the horse was right and everything was under control we barely saw him, now he looks shot to bits, he's had three runs in under two months!!!.

They are desperately trying to re-establish his position without realizing that they had ample chance to do that long ago when the sun was really shining.

good point duffy.  Ascot Gold Cup next. He didn't want that far at his best.

I fear you are spot on punchestown.   Nicky won't have it though you can bet on that.

Three runs?
The horse is finished,end of subject

If any consolation Constitution Hill achieved a clear round. I think it's time he retires or a change of stable.

do you ever stop to allow your brain to catch up?

Change of Stable?
You beggar belief Implausible

You are assuming implausible has a brain elise

Ludicrous suggestion.  The horse is done.  Nothing will change what is now fixed between his ears.

Fast forward 6 months when he beats some trees hard held at Newcastle and ITV Ed tells us it's an incredible training performance.

Was heart over head for me and felt a little sad watching the latter stages of that race. I really hope that his story doesn't end today.

Whatever happens I would never back the horse again

Never say never ....I for one live in hope.

May 2, 2025 -- 7:18PM, tanglefoot wrote:

Hendo most prob will come out with the excuse,heart fibrillation,bet Uknowbet knew.

Found to have abrasions on a leg or legs apparently

I have also been found to have abrasions to my balance but,the horse has clearly gone

I assume every horse that jumps a hurdle or fence has cuts of some kind afterwards

I doubt very much whether that performance was simply down to jumping issues although the one at the first was so awkward it is possible he pulled or tore a muscle. We might know soon enough what was wrong if physical but if psychological how do they tell?

As for retirement, at his age and low mileage it would not make sense when novice chasing and/or flat races to be won are an option.

Looked reluctant to jump off,ballooned the first and surrendered quickly in the straight.
Certainly  not in love with the game now

I am relieved that Nico was unable to take the ride for obvious reasons

That is another question they will have to consider, did the jockey change have an effect? An imponderable but unless he shows reluctance to work or not show his normal zest then it may be that it is the actual racecourse line up that is an issue for him, if there is an issue.

Was obviously understandable but the whole approach to the race was to make sure he didn't fall at any cost. That nervousness communicates to the horse. Personally, I disagree with the majority view that he wasn't beat at Aintree when he fell, for me he was. But Punches was his first complete blow out, which most horses have over a long career. All those things combined, end of long season, running in another country, negative approach, coming off two heavy falls.

It was Hendo's mistake alone. Constitution Hill (CH) should never have embarked on the Punchestown venture. I understand it's hindsight but one cannot escape the fact CH has had two successive bad falls prior.

You touched on it, hindsight. It's always hit or miss at the festivals after Cheltenham, if they ran there. But you only know after they've run! But it wasn't just that with Constitution Hill, with lots of additional questions to answer. But those questions would still have been open if he'd run or not.

The Punchestown "soiree" was an ego-saving exercise by Hendo. It was a comedy of errors by Hendo.

Lulamba his other charge at Punchestown is friendless in the 16:50. He's drifted out to 15/8 from 5/4 last night.

Ego to NH is akin to intelligence with you impossible i.e Does not exist!!

Utter drivel.
The horse hadn't had a race at Cheltenham or Aintree and Hendo thought CH was in good form. Why shouldn't it run?

To implausible

That was sad to see.....No way back....Not no how.

just to add to the rubbish that gets spouted out one way or another booby Walsh,Nico ,hendo were in the camp  of,IE,the horse hitting a few birch hurdles in stead of chelt/aintree rubber ones would teach him to respect them,some now putting forward the very reason he got cuts/scratches of the birch as a possible reason for a lamentable run,probably booby,Nico and hendo
as iposted 24 hrs earlier watching Bowens 2 rides on Thurs for whatever reason hendo/connections  had decided this horse still had a stone + in hand and would win as long as it stayed on its feet going the married mans route
from the evidence weve seen in 2 runs he has very little or nothing in hand of lossiemouth Kemp/aintree and Mullins/Townsend have always said.felt and campaigned state man as though he,s still a fair bit better than lossiemouth,
its allagame of opinions and supposed good judge Gary O'Brien didn't think state man was home and hosed at chelt and thought CH was still on snaff at aintree and thought he,d dot up at punch,
WRONG
WRONg
WRONG
imo

A complete co*k up by connections of Constitution Hill. If the horse could talk post Aintree he'd say something like "I was slightly unsighted when Nico pulled me out (to the right) to jump the hurdle. As such, I hit the deck. I was only winded, but I suffered a mini-concussion nevertheless. I should have been rested then, and not gone to Punchestown to jump a different set of hurdles."

"For this, I practised over mini-fences. I jumped the same at Punchestown; I ballooned them, which was embarrassing."

"I think I need a change of scenery. I'm confused."

Fair summary but I would add "I have had enough of the hurdles lark. I might give it a go over fences but if they show me a hurdle again I will refuse to start".

state man backing up on what we were about to see at chelt and lossiemouths 2 runs against  CH and Townsend/Mullins believe of where lossie and state man stand at home,suggests  CH falls his the fact that he probably wasn't beating state man at chelt or on fri

Only £94-3 left now for the Arkle , will keep me interested .

Unless it's the Gold Cup which he'll not stay judging from his 20f hurdle race at Aintree last season against Sharjah he's unlikely to go chasing; the Arkle could be against Lulamba or Sir Gino (not both I reckon) if the latter is not Champion Hurdle bound.

Personally, retirement or a change of trainer next season. He might not be so lucky with fences.

You can have your own odds about a change of stable,implausible

I wouldn't count on Sir Gino ever seeing a racecourse again.

Sir Gino? That would be awful, if so.

Why speculate?
It is not as if you would back any Hendo horse A/P,is it?

imbecile123

How the hell can Sir Gino run in next seasons Arkle?

nice to be vindicated and few will now disagree 

Saxons Farm you stole my thunder,I was scrolling down slowly to expose the 24 carat plonker again

Sorry Bentring!

Whatever you lads do, please dont tell 123 why Sir Gino cant run in next seasons Arkle, let him continue to embarrass himself!!

Scratched from Gold Cup and turned out to grass . Now theres a surprise ...

I really don't know why Ascot was ever mooted as there would be every likelihood of fast ground
whereas the far more sensible option of tackling two French Group 1s (Cadran & Royal Oak) has
always made a lot more sense as cut in the ground would be almost guaranteed - I can't believe
it hasn't been suggested.

Also, preparing for Ascot would probably be redundant (as he'd likely forego that option) as well
as it interrupting a typical Summer's rest for a NH performer.

Still having tests before being turned out according to Nicky.

This was never going to happen. Purely gimmick and diversion. What a waste of the owner's money! Money could have gone to a food bank or a soup kitchen.

It is taking them an awful long time to realise that their pride and joy is no longer a superstar but a problem child who has fallen out of love with racing, at least over hurdles. Whether a long rest and a move to fences will rekindle his enthusiasm is a big question.

Nicky always takes an age to realise that one of his horses is in decline. Happens with betters/forum posters too - people have fixed views over the ability of top horses, whereas in reality they improve then decline, at different rates. Until Punchestown, many peoples' view of CH was the horse from the Supreme, even though that was 3 years ago. That was all reinforced by his acolytes in the media. People want a great horse to remain great, but with very few exceptions, their peak is short-lived.

It was little to do with CH declining.The horse didn't want to jump off and appears totally out of love with the game.
Whether he comes back or not is anybody's guess next season. Whatever happens he will not be slowed down with any of my hard earned.

Good points strontium   

Spot on uptheirons. A horse should be judged on what it has done in the last year max. Anything longer ago is a bit like forecasting the weather.

Gone from one of the greatest hurdlers i have ever seen to an absolute fakin liability...Sad really.

The saddest thing about the whole thing is that from being what we all thought of as one of the greats, his legacy will now be one of ridicule, through no fault of the horse but the circus created by connections the horse has become a meme and when we discuss him in the future the first reaction for many will be a roll of the eyes....which is sad, but understandable.

Let's hope he can get off the canvas like Tyson Fury (R12 v Wilder) and roar back next season
Sprinter Sacre-style, as his legacy is in tatters at the moment...which is a tragedy.

Only a change of scenery will rejuvenate the horse. The same trainer can only mess him up more eg mollycoddling him (stop and start) when he was invincible; the trainer being egoistic despite the horse had 2 successive falls, and playing away. That was mental!

I have concluded that it is impossible to be as stupid as implausible who must be a BF plant

That's an insult to plants.

acey, just think.  If you'd kept your tent dry - sorry powder - we would have hailed you as a genius!  You read the future mate!  lol.
Best wishes.

Someone said it above - CH will win the Fighting Fifth, beating a bunch of 140-rated handicappers. Hendo will then be proclaimed a genius.

The Stayers division is an incrediblely weak division bar Kryprios and the Ascot Gold cup should have been the aim for CH from day 1 this season. Obviously he couldn't go for the race with the preparation of 2 heavy falls and a trip to Ireland!

The horse wouldn't get two and a half miles on the flat in a horsebox imo

I keep getting told this Uptheirons but I completely disagree with those "opinions" it's not a fact, it's just other punters opinions

https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31855787/maries-rock?post_id=564311691#564311691#flvWelcomeHeader

For the record the horse (Entrancement) won a French G3 on her next start

It's only an opinion but Nico said the horse would not get 3M  after it won at Aintree but that was his opinion which Hendo agreed with

Only the horse will tell us if he's still up to it, or interested. The trainer could not; his many waffles only muddied the water unnecessarily.

He barely gets 20f over jumps crawling, how the fook will he get the trip going much quicker for much further, forget Kyprios, the whole gold cup field would laugh at him.

Do you mean "laugh at Hendo"? Constitution Hill has no say where he goes. Maybe he'd say Mr Mullins' plz.

Beaten a neck on debut over 3M in a ptp where no doubt inexperience beat him. Let me guess, this would only equate to him staying a mile on the Flat? lol Clueless!

I think his tank was near empty when beating Sharjah at Aintree over 20f. Otherwise, he'd be popping over fences and aiming for the blue riband race at Cheltenham.

"staying" is relative, I definitely wouldn't stay a marathon but I might be able to walk it...... nearly winning a 3 mile point on debut is not comparable to running in an Ascot Gold Cup against group 1 stayers.

Correct, using the PTP run as guide to if it stays 3miles isn't a strong formline. The horse that beat it only ever won over 2 miles

It wouldn't stay well enough to get in the frame imo

Why argue? The horse is not running

Gut feeling tells me Chill would be outclassed in a Gold cup flat race.

Guessing like everyone though and pure conjecture