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22 Apr 25 20:09
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Ladbrokes have stated their decision to withhold payment on a winning bet worth six figures placed by a stable lad last year is "entirely consistent" with their terms due to an ongoing investigation by the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (IHRB).

Stable lad Dylan Phelan placed a €30 each-way double on Rocky's Diamond in a maiden hurdle at Limerick and Diamond Nora in a mares' maiden hurdle at Ballinrobe on April 19, 2024, taking prices of 80-1 and 125-1. Both won at starting prices of 22-1 and 16-1, resulting in a potentially life-changing payout of €319,440 for Phelan, who works for the trainer of both horses, Declan Queally, at his Waterford stable. However, Ladbrokes have declined to settle the bet on the basis that both races were under investigation by the IHRB after the raceday stewards at Limerick and Ballinrobe inquired as to the apparent improvement in form shown by the winners and referred the matter on to an IHRB referrals committee.

In a statement on Tuesday, the IHRB confirmed that "winner all right was given on the day following both races" and that the investigation "is now nearing its conclusion and a decision will be taken shortly as to what further action, if any, will be taken". It also confirmed Phelan was not the subject of said investigation.

According to a letter sent in June by Ladbrokes to Phelan, a copy of which has been seen by the Racing Post, an attempt was made on April 22 to collect the bet, which the letter said was due to pay €100,000, the maximum daily payout limit for a wager placed over the counter in a betting shop for the type of races Rocky's Diamond and Diamond Nora won. However, Phelan was blocked from redeeming the bet and has not been paid out. Describing his frustration over the past year, he said: "It's been some emotional rollercoaster. Some good days thinking about it, but mainly bad and plenty of sleepless nights. "It's tough on the head and not easy, it's a fair burden to be honest. I had a few small bets on the same horses, nothing crazy, with other bookmakers and I got paid out."

He described the rationale behind both bets, noting that the Queally stable was out of form when the two horses finished down the field on the same Gowran card five beforehand in a month where the stable had one winner from 17 runners and none placed. "We had been disappointed with a couple of horses at the time and we hadn't many winners," he said. "Diamond Nora won a point-to-point at Ballindenisk that January and had been disappointing afterwards, but I thought she turned a corner. Rocky's Diamond ran a lovely race beforehand at Gowran when he was only a baby and I just thought he was improving and looked better going to Limerick. "I know he's turned into a very good horse, but no-one knew that was going to happen, he exceeded all expectations. I took a chance and it worked out, that's it. "There's market movers the whole time and they moved a little bit, but Declan's horses have a big following and plenty could have latched on.  "At the end of the day I placed a couple of bets and I got lucky, that's the bottom line." 'My head is fried'

The saga could be set to roll on, irrespective of the findings of the IHRB investigation, as Phelan said: "We’ve launched High Court proceedings but we’re waiting on a date. I can't put into words how frustrating it has been. It's going on too long and my head is just fried with it." In a response provided to the Racing Post, Ladbrokes said they take integrity matters "extremely seriously" and that the approach taken is consistent with the bookmaker's terms and conditions. "The IHRB is conducting an ongoing investigation into these races and we are awaiting the outcome before settling bets related to this investigation," said a statement from the firm. "When a sporting governing body is investigating the integrity of a sports event on which we have taken notable bets, we will await the outcome of those proceedings before settling bets relating to the matter under investigation. "We take integrity matters in sport extremely seriously and our approach is entirely consistent with our terms and conditions and how we would approach any sports event under investigation."

HAPPY TO TAKE THE BETS AND THEN WELCH WHEN IT COMES TO PAYING OUT...

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By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 20:34
The IHRB is conducting an ongoing investigation into these races and we are awaiting the outcome before settling bets related to this investigation

ongoing investigation for over a year LaughLaugh
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 20:38
we need to find a way not to pay out.

well Fergals next door neighbours great auntie works for the IHRB ... i could have a word
By:
comingupthehill
When: 22 Apr 25 20:38
Their is no investigation into the races,it’s ladbrokes investigating wether he’s breached their terms etc.
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 20:40
Their is no investigation into the races

The IHRB is conducting an ongoing investigation into these races
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 22 Apr 25 20:40
so assuming the IRHB findings are concluded with no further action ladcrooks will have to payout..obv in court they wouldnt have a leg to stand on.
not sure what other outcome could be if they aint found anything by now.
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 20:41
2 other firms have already paid him out on same bets ...
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 20:43
sour grapes cos the got caught with their pants down laying 22-1 and 16-1 shots at 80's and 125's


must've stung like a b!tch .... Cool
By:
the dealer
When: 22 Apr 25 20:44
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdYs8atH/
By:
comingupthehill
When: 22 Apr 25 20:44
Most punters should be on the side of ladbrokes here.

If anyone tries to fleece the bookies,through any dodgy means,it impacts on regular punters,it’s loose change to ladbrokes,but why should they just take it,

The kid works in a stable,has placed his bets in a selective manor,found 2 massive odds.
This guy isn’t your mate who goes to the races with you.

I hope he’s 100% genuinely got lucky,and good luck to him.but it’s well worth an investigation.
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 20:48
This guy isn’t your mate who goes to the races with you.

laddies ain't your mate either.
By:
comingupthehill
When: 22 Apr 25 20:49
Hulk,
I don’t think there ever was an iRhb investigation,think ladbrokes just said that as a stalling tactic,their is no investigation on going by iRhb..

2 other firms paid out,a lot smaller winnings.

Think they re looking at whether he’s breached their own terms,betting on behalf of someone,etc.

How long has he had account,
How many bets on that account.

Need more facts.
By:
comingupthehill
When: 22 Apr 25 20:50
H7lk.

Laddies are more my mate than he his,cos if I go racing laddies might give me money if I have some winners,he won’t,laddies can only do that,if they ve not lost 300k on a dodgy bet.
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 20:52
make 300k from the FOBT's in half an hour ....
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 20:52
£25 a spin on the slots ...
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 20:54
how many "dodgy" losing bets do they take a year ? 

do they refund all those steaks ??
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 20:55
you were in here 3 weeks ago we've been trying the get in touch with you.

that double you put on, the one where they finished 12th and 17th, that was deemed dodgy so here's your £100 back.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 22 Apr 25 20:56
horses obv aint been off till that day...125/1 chances dont go off 16/1 unless they're FTO or look no hopers.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 22 Apr 25 20:57
cant see what he has done wrong, shoulda been paid out caught em with their pants down ,they offered the prices he got the value ,would they have refunded him if the bet went down ?
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 22 Apr 25 20:58
clearly crooked and he knew it, but crooked previous non triers happens everyday, so pay the man. didn't he try getting on several different times? why not just give him the 100k max pay out once and be done with it
By:
Coneygree1971
When: 22 Apr 25 20:59
Terrible PR for Ladbrokes. Just feeds into the bad image that bookies have.
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 21:00
125/1 chances dont go off 16/1

sounds like a big move but £5 each-way at 125/1 with most firms will be enough for them to chop it into 40's
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 22 Apr 25 21:01

Apr 22, 2025 -- 8:59PM, Coneygree1971 wrote:


Terrible PR for Ladbrokes. Just feeds into the bad image that bookies have.


bookies have been a joke for years. let you bet if you are bad, if you are good close you down in no time and ask you for your DNA test to get your money off of them

By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 22 Apr 25 21:01
wel aye ulk.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 22 Apr 25 21:02
getting a bit like insurance claims take the money ........when a claim comes in how can we get outta paying !
By:
Justbplaced
When: 22 Apr 25 21:05
How long has he had account,
How many bets on that account.
if they ve not lost 300k on a dodgy bet.

the letter said was due to pay €100,000, the maximum daily payout limit for a wager placed over the counter in a betting shop for the type of races Rocky's Diamond and Diamond Nora won

Why would the gentleman need an account for an over the counter bet and why €300,000 when they said the maximum daily payout is €100,000 for the type of bet in question?

I'm confused.
By:
comingupthehill
When: 22 Apr 25 21:07
But he didn’t have a double when they lost
Plus he’s backed them again with other firms
The key here,is in shop.

He’s physically walked to put less stakes on to other shops.why would you do that,unless going under radar,so why did he feel the need to do that.given the odds.

This wasn’t a random punt.calculated.
By:
spyker
When: 22 Apr 25 21:08
The kid works in a stable,has placed his bets in a selective manor,found 2 massive odds.


How many of these bets he does lose then, how much was he down up or err don't you know? You must at least know what car he drives?
By:
comingupthehill
When: 22 Apr 25 21:09
Given the logic on this thread,they fleece punters.

If he’s got a long list of 100/1 shot losing doubles,then fair enough,pay him.
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 21:09
probably find he's limited to 1p on a 9/2 shot next time he logs onto his laddies account ...

like 99.2% of their clientele
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 22 Apr 25 21:10
skoda fabia vrs.
By:
comingupthehill
When: 22 Apr 25 21:10
Spyker.

I think ladbrokes are more interested in the guy who drove his car to drop him off at these shops.thats the crux
By:
uptheirons
When: 22 Apr 25 21:11
When is a winning bet not one?
I give you VLV on here
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 21:12
if you take 11/2 about a 4/1 winner at laddies your account will come up for discussion at the monday morning briefing and that'll be the end of you.

he got 125/1 about a 16/1 shot LaughLaughLaugh
By:
uptheirons
When: 22 Apr 25 21:12
Pure supposition on your part comingupthehill
By:
comingupthehill
When: 22 Apr 25 21:19
Iron
Its pure supposition it’s a genuine bet.i posted,need more info.
Hulk
It’s in shop,so no account.
By:
hulk23
When: 22 Apr 25 21:25
can a shop lay a bet with a 300k liability without authorisation ??
By:
uptheirons
When: 22 Apr 25 21:27
The bet, if genuine,should be paid in full.
I smell ratto here regarding the stable lad but,it is for the Bookmaker to prove it
By:
uptheirons
When: 22 Apr 25 21:30
Laddies have been had over regarding the prices laid and they don't like it.
Tough titty imo
Pursue them through the Courts
By:
comingupthehill
When: 22 Apr 25 21:31
Think it’s stakes that flag authorisation,

The fact he’s not kicked up a fuss,till now is another clue.

You’d be sat outside ladbrokes  HQ,throwing paint on them every morning if you knew it was 100% genuine.
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