Field Of Gold - 2000 Guineas

the second will never beat the winner imo

Matt Chapman has studied the sectionals and he's in no doubt as to who should have won the 2000G...Shadow Of Light!

https://x.com/MCYeeehaaa/status/1918726301147451719

Inches from being a **** of a ride and one of the coolest rides you will ever see....Gosden livid.

Murphy’s car insurance assessors disagreed with gosden,after reading his report from his night out.

I was driving along the bury road,and I saw a tree was in my eyeline,I tried to swerve left and right,but the tree made no attempt to get out of the way,I was forced into hitting it,through no fault of my own.i was so disgusted by the trees behaviour that when the police arrived,I refused to engage with them or give them a sample of my breath.
I can’t believe that trees can get away with this type of behaviour.the lady I met only a few minutes before was unfortunately injured,the governmen5 needs to sort out tree behaviour,why should woman be put in such danger if picked up on a night out.

Matt chapman and the bha,totally agree that trees can’t be reckless like this.

I look forward to helping trees and women behave better going forward.

It can only happen at Newmarket, if so, of course with Mr Murphy behind the wheel, intoxicated (indisputedly). This is Mr Murphy's version of Murphy's Law.

Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! and more Me!

Done at bundle 6/1 on the runner up. However, I will give the Jockey the benefit of the doubt. In real time I was not 100% sure he messed up as I thought he would pick up quicker....The more I watch it I stick by it was
just one of those things. Could Dettori/Buick/Moore have got it up possibly? However that it is because they have been done it so many times.
Hope he learns from the experience... remember jockey you owe me a good ride.

Shoemark will be closer to Buick at the dip. I believe this was the major difference between winning and being 2nd. No jockey change needed next time; Shoemark would know better.

from 2f out to the dip it wasnt going forward.

That was a very frank admission and succinct explanation from Shoemark. He rode Field Of Gold with too much confidence; his heart sank when the winner quickened. He said had he not ridden the horse in The Craven where Field Of Gold quickened immediately coming into the dip on good to soft ground he'd have been closer to the winner yesterday.

Nevermind Shoemark there'll be another day; SJP for sure. No betting market as yet.

Well the jockey apologists on here seem to think its was a perfect ride and the best horse won. Despite all words from trainer jockey and experts to contradict this

it quickened in craven 2 out..yesterday it didnt..is he psychic?

anyone who thinks the winner and 2nd came of the bridle at the same time has really serious vision issues and needs to see an optican

he underestimated winner, he probably thought he had them but Ruling Court too good and has clearly improved

I do not think Shoemark underestimated the winner. He implied on the good to firm ground Field Of Gold was unable to quicken like he did on good to soft ground on Craven day coming into the dip, when the winner quickened.

I think the result will be reversed if both horses go for the St James's Palace Stake at Y=Royal Ascot next month.

Maybe the horse will prove itself to be more of a galloper than one with a turn of foot. Might not of seen him if he had gone from the front. All conjecture of course.

Not sure what KS did wrong? He was beaten by the better Horse

I think he's more than a galloper. He quickened in The Craven. The SJP will tell us more. And, Shoemark will be very aware of the horse's attribute given the prevailing ground.

Oh! The winner is going to The Derby. Maybe no meet in the SJP. Could Field Of Gold to the Irish 2000G, then the SJP?

Winner won with a bit in the locker, the second was all out at the line.

5/2 Field Of Gold for the SJP. Anyone?

sectionals are up on RTV website...

7th furlong times when flat to the boards
field of gold 11.32s, winner 11.19s, 3rd horse 11.04s

bar riding a finish from 3f out or riding a keen horse handy with lots of daylight, there's no case to answer on the ride from the sectionals

Whippin Piccadilly • May 4, 2025 2:45 PM BST
Not sure what KS did wrong?

did nothing wrong wp...just an easy pile on by pocket talkers & crap race readers

not forgetting the trainer and the jockey himself on live tv for all to hear,but you no better

ITV interview shoemark saying horse disorganised in the dip on g/f...given he's flat out that's exactly what the sectionals show

May 4, 2025 -- 3:09PM, 1st time poster wrote:

not forgetting the trainer and the jockey himself on live tv for all to hear,but you no better

I've seen the interview & it tallies with the sectionals so save your bs

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

from 2f out till 1f out FOG wasnt closing..on drone it showed it all.

from thew horses mouth
6 lengths behind the position he,d like to have been in after a furlong
rode him with far to much confidence
wish I,d fired him on going in to dip

on here nothing to see couldn't do anything different beaten by a better horse

May 4, 2025 -- 3:17PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:

from 2f out till 1f out FOG wasnt closing..on drone it showed it all.

yes & times say he lost 1.75l on shadow of light & 0.75l against ruling court between 1f & 2f out
confirms what you saw on drone

How’s about the last furlong after field of gold was organised after being unbalanced by the jockey in the 7th furlong?

if on the bridle losing this ground I have a completely different opinion
anyway last post on this subject

I must be the only one on here who still hasn't seen the race.

Difference between the guineas and the craven for F O G was the quality of opposition and the going. The way he quickened in the craven persuaded the jockey he was on a wonder horse. And he may have been but the quicker going and quality of the opposition saw the winning line arriving earlier than his jockey had anticipated 

buy a tele scotty ydc.

Rico is salty at me coz I posted he prefers expensive lays over cheap lays.  He did go very quiet after that race to lick his wounds.

says what he thinks, doesn't filter it

never pre empt scotty..can mek u look silly at times.

did nothing wrong wp...just an easy pile on by pocket talkers & crap race readers


   In fairness Shoemark did say  " If anything I was guilty of being overconfident ".

Watched the recorded interview of the Chapman/Shoemark interview earlier on ITV having been out for the day. Mucho respect to Kieran for admitting in public that he got it wrong, and saying he was too confident and thought he had them all covered. He admitted in hindsight he should have asked him earlier to quicken coming into the dip, but hung on due to his experience of riding him in the Craven, when the dip wasn't an issue, though as it turned out the different ground made it one. If he had  started to ask him half a furlong earlier he would have won imo and others on here. Hindsight is always 20-20 though as we know.

Respect also to the posters who gave their honest and knowledgeable opinions without resorting to abuse and just slagging him off......I don't care how many years the others have been watching racing, you are still just ignorant c..ts.

Well after his boss had said 'we were too far back', which clearly wasn't the case (relative to the winner) as can been seen in this short clip from around 2f out:

https://x.com/HORISracing/status/1918678529685799002

Shoemark was hardly likely to contradict Gosden having had to time to gather his thoughts?

And what he said there regarding being overconfident, was put into context by what he said had happened in the Craven when the colt had handled the dip no bother on that occasion.

Shoemark's quote on the day was the correct one imo:

"Field Of Gold travelled really well but just lost it in the Dip for a few strides and he look his time to find his feet. He stayed on well and he'll be a ten-furlong horse in time."

So, in your opinion, did the best horse win?

ewe cant reason with a losing punter.

Why? Did he back Field of Gold?

most revealing part of his interview was when he said he wanted be 6 lengths further forward through out the race in the position the Harrington Irish horse had,so he didn't set out to ride it from off the pace,ended up there after hooking back after breaking to well

no need for a 7 f trial winner 3 weeks ago to be sat a few lengths behind a horse been aimed at the debt and he admitted it wasn't the plan

CaptainCristy 04 May 25 22:09 
So, in your opinion, did the best horse win?

Absolutely, because handling the dip on fast ground was part of the race. FOG lost, not because of the jockey, but because he didn't handle that part of the track on quick ground, and the clip above clearly shows he was close enough 2f out if good enough.

What were Gosden's instructions prior to the race?

Ride him like you did in the Craven?
Make sure you're in front going down into the dip?
or...He didn't give any instructions?

I'm going to have a listen to the barstewards, see what they made of it.

According to the barstewards, Betfair turnover on the 2000G in 2010 was 5.3 million, on Saturday it was 1.6 million.

FOG couldn't quicken going into the dip,the winner is a class horse and could.FOG will appreciate further,doubt the winner would.shoemark held onto his horse as long as he thought he should but the winner wasn't to be caught.

run it again and same result imo,Buick would beat FOG taking a tow behind and win with better turn of foot.

1st time poster 04 May 25 22:14 
no need for a 7 f trial winner 3 weeks ago to be sat a few lengths behind a horse been aimed at the debt and he admitted it wasn't the plan

the Craven? was 1 mile.

There is always an inherent bias to the horse that won the race, after all you can always point to the result as ‘proof’. On this occasion the trainer of the 2nd makes a highly unusual criticism of the ride (also a self criticism as he is to blame for choosing the jockey) and the jockey himself appears in an interview the day after genuinely mortified by what happened and knowing he was to blame for not following when Buick made his run. The horse made up ground hand over fist in the last furlong, if he had gone earlier he would have won 1/2 length or a length.

Zzzzzz Saturday is history ffs….

Barstewards is a good listen George……Jonjo ex forum member is good humour tbf…

Tbf, ffs, imo I was replying to George sorry to bore you, you are the expert after all.

Zzzzzz Saturday is history ffs….

I'm with you Cristy. First time I've watched again with idiot Chapman and Gosden. Chapman saying they've started oushing at the same time - what utter nonsense - length at least up and pushing much harder and earlier than Shoemark. Sadly, flying along on the best horses in the world, people make mistakes.... that one was VERY unfortunate .... for SOME and very fortunate for others - that's this daft game.... the one no-one forces us to play.

Does anyone know where you can see the Shoemark interview?

cheers RICO in my head craven was 7,

to be honest like the big heritage handicaps on the flat but these group races especially the sprinting division bores me senseless
and yes  to save your fingers ,that would explain a lot

mmmm  the jockey blames himself, so anyone want to change their opinions ?

No

Jockey doesn't want to fall out with Gosden and lose those plumb rides.

In the Craven FOG actually got trapped in and the gap appeared late, but he burst through and showed a great turn of foot.

It is different having a turn of foot for a furlong and maintaining it over 3 furlongs.

Quality of opposition better today.

He was close enough if good enough. He was no further than 2 lengths behind hitting the 2 furlong pole where both jockeys were pushing away at that stage. In The craven he didn't start pushing away until 1.25 furlongs to go. Now you want him to start pushing away 3 furlongs out.


Think he was fortunate to grab 2nd to be honest.

Think the 2 Goldophin horses where battling each other hence FOG pinched 2nd on the line.



Thought Ruling Court had a bit more up his sleeve.

:D

eye conquer wiv mal.

Ma arse.

Ma arse.

sore again? use lube ydc.

Gosden was angry I think he was entitled to be, hopefully they meet again and we can back our opinions with hard cash.

Such is my disinterest in watching flat racing i've only just checked out the race replay tbh , a rematch will prove nothing regarding last Saturday as another day , bit more improvement , different ground and track so will prove nothing.

Only view i've got is to say nobody has a clue what Buick had up his sleeve and how much more he could have found if required , it's all conjecture and one thing many have learned over the years is that following unlucky losers rarely ends well long term once the " unlucky " factor has been absorbed into the price.

Good points Hayden the best unlucky loser for myself was Dancing Brave, despite criticism Greville Starkey received, Shahrastani was fav to beat the brave in King George but Shahrastani had bolted up at the Curragh after Epsom.
There is always another day in sport.

Dancing Brave: the previously unbeaten French star Bering and a host of other Group 1 & 2 winners Triptych, Sharastani, Shardari,Darara, the German thunderbastard Acatenango all trailing in the wake of his finishing kick in the 1986 Arc.

THE best horse not to win the Derby. The best horse I ever saw.

In TV interviews following the 1987 Arc, Pat Eddery said that Trempolino was the best was the best horse he had ever ridden. Short memory tosspot.

Best I seen too whallop, I think jockeys are told to overrate horses who win big races by connections, stud value thing I presume.
Before Dancing Brave won guineas a lad told me "Defeat is an impossibility"
Also the horse who finished second went on to be champion sprinter Green Desert.

formoftheace 05 May 25 08:49 
Barstewards is a good listen George……Jonjo ex forum member is good humour tbf…

Indeed, ace. They tended to go with the majority view regarding how the race went, but aired the alternative view too, but what really got Jonjo's goat, was, not for the first time, Gosden throwing his jockey under the bus, and asking what does that do for his confidence?

Gosden said this, Shoemark said that (as if he was ever going to contradict his boss once the dust had settled ).

Well Gosden said FOG was too far back, and I posted the clip from around 2f out which showed FOG right on the winner's tail and seemingly travelling the better, but rather than acknowledge that he wasn't too far back as the video evidence proved, you just want to keep on believing what the suited 'figure of authority' told you had happened, which is fair enough, because ordinary folk tend to bow to their betters.

However, the good news is that MALAY has nailed it, you can back him with hard cash the next time he runs and if/when he wins, you can start a thread telling everyone how you KNEW he was the best 3YO colt and should have won the Guineas.

Well it was you who said to wait for the podcast and whaddaya know that couldn’t even be bothered debating it it was that obvious the best horse lost.

They couldn’t be bothered that is

"it was you who said to wait for the podcast"

Eh?

I said I was going to listen to it (which I do every Sunday evening), and didn't say anything beyond that. They're entitled to their opinion, as you are, it doesn't change mine.

3 days after the result and 208 replays and untold watches on this thread ........has it achieved anything ? has the result changed? will it change ?...............what a waste of time !

GEORGE.B 05 May 25 20:15 
formoftheace 05 May 25 08:49 
Barstewards is a good listen George……Jonjo ex forum member is good humour tbf…

Indeed, ace. They tended to go with the majority view regarding how the race went, but aired the alternative view too, but what really got Jonjo's goat, was, not for the first time, Gosden throwing his jockey under the bus, and asking what does that do for his confidence?

Yep,exactly George,he kicked ten bells out of Dettori tbh….best left to the office imv..

Most of us remember Daniel Wildenstein…..Buckskin…..” you are a boy” he’s a man’s ride….dreadful scenes tbh…

Big John is ruthless Dettori got kicked out the door....All the success before meant fack all....Jimmy Fortune another who felt his wrath.

it's fine margins , best jocks just make fewer errors

You are right elise and it was a fine margin in the Guineas and one Shoemark should not blame himself for even in hindsight. I hand timed the race replay and at 57 seconds Buick started nudging his horse and maintaining the gap to FOG, at 60.03 seconds he went all out, Shoemark went all out at 60.13 seconds.

Only his horse did not quicken as expected which with the momentum Buick had was the difference, Shoemark was hardly at fault for not expecting his mount to fail to pick up as it did , small fractions.

see both sides, he says complacent maybe, but even if your horse is cruising there's the pace to that point to consider, i didn't think it was run that fast early so making the first run was always going to be a big move to pull back even if his animal would have quickened as he expected

Watch the replay on racing tv, the time is in the display, start counting from when Buick starts pushing, count up to to 10,because that’s when shoemark realised the winner had flown and makes his move

I’ll shock the bones of Cagliari.I think Shoemark should keep the ride at Ascot…..

I'll stick to what i posted yesterday namely..............

Such is my disinterest in watching flat racing i've only just checked out the race replay tbh , a rematch will prove nothing regarding last Saturday as another day , bit more improvement , different ground and track so will prove nothing.

Only view i've got is to say nobody has a clue what Buick had up his sleeve and how much more he could have found if required , it's all conjecture and one thing many have learned over the years is that following unlucky losers rarely ends well long term once the " unlucky " factor has been absorbed into the price.

But having just watched again would add.......

When Shoe started asking FOG to go he hardly gained an inch on RC over the next dozen or so strides which is significant i think , accepting that WB was asking RC the same question simultaneously but had FOG been quicker at that stage of the race surely it would have been a protracted 3 horse last furlong battle as opposed to a match , RC had seen off the stablemate snugly in my view come post time and just to reiterate we've no idea what WB would have found if a new challenge had appeared earlier , so to me the vision of FOG finishing fast and giving the impression of a fast finisher unlucky loser was more to do with the horse unable to go fast enough at a crucial part of the race and the fact he was just running on well vs a horse that had just won another battle and the unlucky factor was an exaggeration.

Realize i'm in the minority thinking the best horse won but it's all about opinions guys , that said it's another of these threads that goes on forever full of subjective views and no conclusion but whichever horse eventually proves best is irrelevant regarding the debate of last Saturday.


Good luck today all   

May 6, 2025 -- 2:53PM, Hayden wrote:

I'll stick to what i posted yesterday namely..............Such is my disinterest in watching flat racing i've only just checked out the race replay tbh , a rematch will prove nothing regarding last Saturday as another day , bit more improvement , different ground and track so will prove nothing.Only view i've got is to say nobody has a clue what Buick had up his sleeve and how much more he could have found if required , it's all conjecture and one thing many have learned over the years is that following unlucky losers rarely ends well long term once the " unlucky " factor has been absorbed into the price.But having just watched again would add.......When Shoe started asking FOG to go he hardly gained an inch on RC over the next dozen or so strides which is significant i think , accepting that WB was asking RC the same question simultaneously but had FOG been quicker at that stage of the race surely it would have been a protracted 3 horse last furlong battle as opposed to a match , RC had seen off the stablemate snugly in my view come post time and just to reiterate we've no idea what WB would have found if a new challenge had appeared earlier , so to me the vision of FOG finishing fast and giving the impression of a fast finisher unlucky loser was more to do with the horse unable to go fast enough at a crucial part of the race and the fact he was just running on well vs a horse that had just won another battle and the unlucky factor was an exaggeration.Realize i'm in the minority thinking the best horse won but it's all about opinions guys , that said it's another of these threads that goes on forever full of subjective views and no conclusion but whichever horse eventually proves best is irrelevant regarding the debate of last Saturday.Good luck today all

SJP could be the salvation for backers, I believe. He'd even take in the Irish 2000g. I think the time permits too if connections are game.

Agree with Cag, Buick had already generated the momentum, neither of them quickened, they were both horses that were needing to be wound up, the quickening that some are suggesting was so prevalent in the Craven probably was a bit less of that and the fact and a bit more of the field going nowhere late on in the slower ground that made it look more like he was really quickening away.

Timeform verdict somewhat different, saying that Field of Gold should have won 2 lengths at least!

Should have Won no question....And like i said i love Shoemark.

Field Of Gold is 5/4 for the Irish version on 24th May. Money back for his backers? I hope so...just to ease a smile on Mr Gosden's face.

acey deucy06 May 25 10:39Joined: 29 Sep 02 | Topic/replies: 32,270 | Blogger: acey deucy's blog
Big John is ruthless Dettori got kicked out the door....All the success before meant fack all....Jimmy Fortune another who felt his wrath.Plain
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I told ya lads fakin ruthless....I said it should have won no question now i want rico and co to front up and apologise for talkin sh1te ffs.

Best Horse on the day came second, anyone thinking otherwise please contact me as I have some " Magic Beans " for sale.

My opinion doesnt count diddlysquat but for me he waited for ten strides too long to ask FOG to go after the winner.

May 7, 2025 -- 1:08PM, GLASGOWCALLING wrote:

Best Horse on the day came second, anyone thinking otherwise please contact me as I have some " Magic Beans " for sale.

Doubt they are any good. Willie Mullins has bought all the ones that work.

Willie Mullins's needing sticks to help them win, and British trainers getting a brain transplant.

Morons on here ...kenbo & co all proved to be clowns by John Gosden himself jocking off and binning Skidmark lol... mugs

Rico-Dangleflaps03 May 25 23:00Joined: 07 Sep 18 | Topic/replies: 43,902 | Blogger: Rico-Dangleflaps's blog
in the craven which was a slower race it was last 3f out..cruised closer and quickened to win going away..
nothing different today...was 2L down on the snaff going into the last 2f...when he asked it didnt quicken going into the dip..it ran on strongly last fur..it was close enough if good enough..wants 10f

Aye that is why Big John said No.....Collect yer p45.