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You're one of the worse culprits to be fair.
Post your p&l patter is your default. No wonder the forum is quiet.
No reasoned debate, just angry wee guys posting p!sh.
Post your p&l patter is your default. No wonder the forum is quiet.
No reasoned debate, just angry wee guys posting p!sh.
the irony drippin from you is some laugh wanxershaft
youve been the forum fooktard for many years now you clown
youve been the forum fooktard for many years now you clown
oh jesus wept..the forums gretest fcktard appears instantly.
It's quite likely that a lot of the posters who made this forum interesting to read and to join in with the discussions are probably now "In the morgue". Most of us are in our 60/70s and possibly 80s and the younger ones have b@ggered off to Twatter or whatever it's called now. My daughter never comes off Tic Tac, endlessly scrolling through the nonsense, yet she still can't tell the difference between Bottle and Top of the head.
stick to the wife beating wanxershaft you mug
Noxys back with his same ol boring pish patter, 6 Months from his last post ( figure it out for yourselves ) ... Potless or banged up ? probably both imo.
Noxys back with his same ol boring pish patter, 6 Months from his last post ( figure it out for yourselves ) ... Potless or banged up ? probably both imo.
Starmer will be sending ye lads to Ukraine if you are half as aggressive in real life.
Thats because on a stunning sunlit winter's afternoon virginia water was a slightly better option than my computer screen!!!
it is a bit cliquey on here, but I'm here for the long haul
DIE LINKE 17 Feb 25 16:03
Starmer will be sending ye lads to Ukraine if you are half as aggressive in real life.
I'm interested to get mitolo's opinion on this, if he has one, and does he think more young Brits should go out to the eastern front line?
Don't know if this got much coverage on the television news but evidently some newspapers did report on this 18-year-old's death.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/03/briton-18-killed-by-russian-drone-minutes-into-first-mission-in-ukraine-report
Starmer will be sending ye lads to Ukraine if you are half as aggressive in real life.
I'm interested to get mitolo's opinion on this, if he has one, and does he think more young Brits should go out to the eastern front line?
Don't know if this got much coverage on the television news but evidently some newspapers did report on this 18-year-old's death.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/03/briton-18-killed-by-russian-drone-minutes-into-first-mission-in-ukraine-report
crappen! you mug. first up, i demolished his nonsense at every opportunity. 2nd-if you think theres any similarity you are a poor judge. he was a massive putinite, for a start
more notable is you dont dispute what i said
ive said it before, i dont look at links. wasted too much time on tendentious ones that annoy me, as they are a distraction and spread nonsense
i dont know if any should, but if they are so outraged they couldnt be stopped, particularly if they have ukrainian heritage
doubt there will be many signing up for putin. but its a sideshow and only detracts from the awful reality of mass-murder of civilians and destruction of a country in an illegal war
more notable is you dont dispute what i said
ive said it before, i dont look at links. wasted too much time on tendentious ones that annoy me, as they are a distraction and spread nonsense
i dont know if any should, but if they are so outraged they couldnt be stopped, particularly if they have ukrainian heritage
doubt there will be many signing up for putin. but its a sideshow and only detracts from the awful reality of mass-murder of civilians and destruction of a country in an illegal war
An 18-year-old British man was killed in a Russian drone strike, just minutes into his first mission after volunteering to fight in Ukraine.
James Wilton, from Huddersfield, in West Yorkshire, was 17 when he left the UK to fight against Russia, flying from Manchester to Poland before crossing the border into Ukraine.
Wilton, who had no previous military experience before travelling to Ukraine, was killed just minutes into his first mission, on 23 July last year.
“I’ll never get over this. I didn’t want him to go but his heart was set on it. He wanted to help Ukraine,” his father, Graham, told the Sun.
“I’ve been told bits of the story of how he died, but have struggled to deal with it and wish we could have swapped places because he had his whole life in front of him.”
Before boarding the plane, Graham told the newspaper Wilton had spent an hour saying goodbye to his mother, Kerrie-Anne, 44, who had also tried to dissuade their son from going to Ukraine.
Wilton, whose parents are separated, had two sisters, Sophie, 22, and Sarah, 21. He had finished a two-year course in animal welfare and land care before deciding to travel to Ukraine.
He was cremated in Ukraine after his death on the eastern front, with his father travelling from the UK to attend the funeral.
“He was such a laid-back, polite, easy-going and likable young man – I’ll always be proud of him. I brought his ashes back home, but might go back to scatter them there. I think that might be what he would have wanted,” Graham said.
“It’s taken a while to process James’s death. But I think it’s time that some kind of public tribute was paid and it’s good to be finally talking about what happened.”
Wilton’s friend, a US volunteer fighter and medic named only as Jason, told the Sun he was with him when he died.
“It was James’s first and last mission,” he said. “We had to cross an open field with no trees, no cover, nothing, to resupply other soldiers. “I was team leader and there were six of us traversing in groups of two, 20 metres apart. Myself and James were the last two.”
Jason described seeing Wilton stop in the field, before then also noticing the drones flying 20 metres overhead.
Jason survived the attack, but lost his foot four days later when he stepped on a landmine. “I extracted my friend James from the battle and he died. It’s hard not getting emotional about it, but seeing that made me want to try harder to help others,” he said.
“He was the youngest in our group and we all felt protective towards him and I suppose I came to see him like a little brother.
“I think he had thought to himself ‘I’m not doing much with my life, I want to do something bigger for the greater good.’ I still miss him and I’ll never forget him.”
A Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office spokesperson said: “We provided consular assistance to the family of a British man who died in Ukraine.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/03/briton-18-killed-by-russian-drone-minutes-into-first-mission-in-ukraine-report
James Wilton, from Huddersfield, in West Yorkshire, was 17 when he left the UK to fight against Russia, flying from Manchester to Poland before crossing the border into Ukraine.
Wilton, who had no previous military experience before travelling to Ukraine, was killed just minutes into his first mission, on 23 July last year.
“I’ll never get over this. I didn’t want him to go but his heart was set on it. He wanted to help Ukraine,” his father, Graham, told the Sun.
“I’ve been told bits of the story of how he died, but have struggled to deal with it and wish we could have swapped places because he had his whole life in front of him.”
Before boarding the plane, Graham told the newspaper Wilton had spent an hour saying goodbye to his mother, Kerrie-Anne, 44, who had also tried to dissuade their son from going to Ukraine.
Wilton, whose parents are separated, had two sisters, Sophie, 22, and Sarah, 21. He had finished a two-year course in animal welfare and land care before deciding to travel to Ukraine.
He was cremated in Ukraine after his death on the eastern front, with his father travelling from the UK to attend the funeral.
“He was such a laid-back, polite, easy-going and likable young man – I’ll always be proud of him. I brought his ashes back home, but might go back to scatter them there. I think that might be what he would have wanted,” Graham said.
“It’s taken a while to process James’s death. But I think it’s time that some kind of public tribute was paid and it’s good to be finally talking about what happened.”
Wilton’s friend, a US volunteer fighter and medic named only as Jason, told the Sun he was with him when he died.
“It was James’s first and last mission,” he said. “We had to cross an open field with no trees, no cover, nothing, to resupply other soldiers. “I was team leader and there were six of us traversing in groups of two, 20 metres apart. Myself and James were the last two.”
Jason described seeing Wilton stop in the field, before then also noticing the drones flying 20 metres overhead.
Jason survived the attack, but lost his foot four days later when he stepped on a landmine. “I extracted my friend James from the battle and he died. It’s hard not getting emotional about it, but seeing that made me want to try harder to help others,” he said.
“He was the youngest in our group and we all felt protective towards him and I suppose I came to see him like a little brother.
“I think he had thought to himself ‘I’m not doing much with my life, I want to do something bigger for the greater good.’ I still miss him and I’ll never forget him.”
A Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office spokesperson said: “We provided consular assistance to the family of a British man who died in Ukraine.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/03/briton-18-killed-by-russian-drone-minutes-into-first-mission-in-ukraine-report
irrelevant. what point are you making? as i said, you cant stop them
now then, what do you think of putins action over the last 3 years? thats a bit more important, but ive not noticed anything excepty excuses from you. 'nato expansionism' one of them despite the fact putin has said over and over ukraine is run by nazis and hes liberating it. do you know his mind better than he does? no. you dont believe it so come up with a better one
now then, what do you think of putins action over the last 3 years? thats a bit more important, but ive not noticed anything excepty excuses from you. 'nato expansionism' one of them despite the fact putin has said over and over ukraine is run by nazis and hes liberating it. do you know his mind better than he does? no. you dont believe it so come up with a better one
My point is this mitolo, why haven't *YOU* gone to the eastern front yourself to fight the good fight against evil?
thats a specious and silly non-point but still the best you can come up with
becuase i dont want to. simples. but putin is evil, and theres plenty of evidence of this. do you think so?
putin is the nastiest mass-murdering dictaor since stalin- yes or no? easy question
becuase i dont want to. simples. but putin is evil, and theres plenty of evidence of this. do you think so?
putin is the nastiest mass-murdering dictaor since stalin- yes or no? easy question
So someone has to fight Putin, whether it be British teenagers or whoever, so long as it's not you?
why should i fight for a country not my own? should anyone fight him? ukraine? yes is my answer. they have given it a good go so far
and you are making things up again. i never said british teenagers should
putin is the nastiest mass-murdering dictator since stalin- yes or no? easy question
and you are making things up again. i never said british teenagers should
putin is the nastiest mass-murdering dictator since stalin- yes or no? easy question
I suspect the footage of the uniformed 'press gangs' forcibly dragging middle-aged to older men off the streets in Ukraine, allegedly to be sent to the front line, may suggest that Ukraine has lost enough young people, so how many fighting-age people do you think Ukraine has left to fight?
As for your 'Stalin vs Putin' question, what numbers do you have?
As for your 'Stalin vs Putin' question, what numbers do you have?
loads. as usual, you ignore what i said. im not saying vs, im saying hes is the worst since stalin, who is the 2nd worst of all. you seem keen to avoid answering. putin is the nastiest mass-murdering dictator since stalin- yes or no? easy question
putin emptied his prisons to provde cannon fodder. now hes using north koreans
dunno how many left. you seem remarkably unsympathetic. what do you think ukraine should have done after being invaded? ive accused you repeatedly of being a putin fanboy and youve never disputed it, and worse, have made excuses for his brutality
putin emptied his prisons to provde cannon fodder. now hes using north koreans
dunno how many left. you seem remarkably unsympathetic. what do you think ukraine should have done after being invaded? ive accused you repeatedly of being a putin fanboy and youve never disputed it, and worse, have made excuses for his brutality
dunno how many left. you seem remarkably unsympathetic. what do you think ukraine should have done after being invaded? ive accused you repeatedly of being a putin fanboy and youve never disputed it, and worse, have made excuses for his brutality
That's news to me, have you got the relevant posts to refresh my memory?
dunno how many left. you seem remarkably unsympathetic
That's a bit rich coming from someone who above posted that the death of the Huddersfield lad was "irrelevant".
That's news to me, have you got the relevant posts to refresh my memory?
dunno how many left. you seem remarkably unsympathetic
That's a bit rich coming from someone who above posted that the death of the Huddersfield lad was "irrelevant".
i omitted europe in my question. just in case you try that wriggle
i didnt say his death was irrelevant. i said your point was. you constantly ignore whats gone before and say what you like. thoroughly dishonest. are you unsympathetic. seems that way
ive asked several times for your opinion of putin. never got it. you say nato expansion is at the root of the war. putin says its ukrainian nazis. you dont think anyone should supply weapons that ukraine is screaming for and particularly british ones. why not? if your attitude had been adopted in 1939, when 2 countries invaded poland, we would have let them get on with it
and this has been going on 3 years. im not going through your history as you do mine. your credentials have been made clear to all. blame the victim. a neutral observer will see this clearly
you could state plainly what you think of the war and putin himself. i have but you wont
ive asked several times for your opinion of putin. never got it. you say nato expansion is at the root of the war. putin says its ukrainian nazis. you dont think anyone should supply weapons that ukraine is screaming for and particularly british ones. why not? if your attitude had been adopted in 1939, when 2 countries invaded poland, we would have let them get on with it
and this has been going on 3 years. im not going through your history as you do mine. your credentials have been made clear to all. blame the victim. a neutral observer will see this clearly
you could state plainly what you think of the war and putin himself. i have but you wont
I've told you before but you fail to grasp it.
All I need to know is that the same forces supporting the Gaza genocide and telling us we have to fight Russia, are the same forces behind the covid plandemic. I don't trust any of them. So when the likes of Peter Hitchens (who would agree with you about Putin) highlight NATO expansionism and how the West has antagonized Russia eg the 2014 coup d'etat, I'm not going to argue with them, but you're free to.
https://x.com/bobscartoons/status/1819405458005754343/photo/1
All I need to know is that the same forces supporting the Gaza genocide and telling us we have to fight Russia, are the same forces behind the covid plandemic. I don't trust any of them. So when the likes of Peter Hitchens (who would agree with you about Putin) highlight NATO expansionism and how the West has antagonized Russia eg the 2014 coup d'etat, I'm not going to argue with them, but you're free to.
https://x.com/bobscartoons/status/1819405458005754343/photo/1
I must have missed the bit when Ukrainian terrorists crossed into Russia and murdered innocent civilians and took hostages thus causing retaliation?
Or maybe also missed same terrorists firing rockets across the border for years?
Covid has a lot to answer for, time for the tinfoil hats before it's too late!!
Or maybe also missed same terrorists firing rockets across the border for years?
Covid has a lot to answer for, time for the tinfoil hats before it's too late!!
why would nato expansion incite russia to invade ukraine? no nato country is ever going to invade or cause war unless it was necessary,surely.
Suppose Rico, there was a potentially hostile power had at least some control over Scotland and Wales, military bases and bio-labs, for example being built, and this had been building over many years which included a coup d'etat, and the English govt warned, that unless these two countries remained neutral, there would be trouble.
What then once red lines are crossed?
What then once red lines are crossed?
assuming for argument's sake that Wales and Scotland were independent countries.
but if ukraine joined nato..how would they become a threat to russia?
So Rico, when the Soviet Union wanted to put missiles on Cuba in the early sixties, how was that a threat to America?
when russia said it was to deter usa from invading cuba,but,russia and cuba were run by despots,usa never has been.
You sure about that? You've just lived through a period where populations (the USA included) were placed under house arrest and told in order to have their freedoms back everyone had to have a potentially lethal potion injected into them.
Starmer went out of his way to tell people the AZ jab was perfectly safe - it was later quietly withdrawn, and if that wasn't enough, he wanted to mandate the potions for all. You were living under tyranny Rico but you failed to realise it.
But then again, am I right in saying you only had one jab? So you evidently smelt a rat?
Starmer went out of his way to tell people the AZ jab was perfectly safe - it was later quietly withdrawn, and if that wasn't enough, he wanted to mandate the potions for all. You were living under tyranny Rico but you failed to realise it.
But then again, am I right in saying you only had one jab? So you evidently smelt a rat?
starmer or trump could never make a decision to invade a country of their own volition.
You sure about that?
Following a failed attempt to appeal to the United Nations for a mandate to invade Iraq, the United States, along with forces from Australia, Denmark, Netherlands, Poland, and Great Britain launched Operation Iraqi Freedom on March 19, 2003. On May 1, 2003, President George W....
Who really made the decision?
Answers on a postcard...
Following a failed attempt to appeal to the United Nations for a mandate to invade Iraq, the United States, along with forces from Australia, Denmark, Netherlands, Poland, and Great Britain launched Operation Iraqi Freedom on March 19, 2003. On May 1, 2003, President George W....
Who really made the decision?
Answers on a postcard...
"why would nato expansion incite russia to invade ukraine?" Because the next step would be missiles based there ?
George B, i was just wondering if there was any thread, any discussion in any circumstance in which you wouldn't think it appropriate to bring your thoughts about the Covid pandemic into it?
6 covid vacs and a few flu jabs in the last 6 years. Never had a cold or any other respiratory infection since.
Indeed sageform, know many people who have had all the jabs with no effects afterwards, but imagine if you'd died between having your first covid jab and now. Pretty sure the covid deniers would have you down as one of their statistics to prove their claims. Anyone unfortunate enough to have had a stroke or heart attack or any serious lung infections since will no doubt be down to having the jabs in the conspiracy theorists minds.
Absolutely right stewarts, lord knows what planet they live on. My wife lost her sister and niece in the very early days, both front line medics and extremely fit sportswomen. My wife worked throughout the pandemic in clinics and hospitals and had a frontline view, we both had all the vaccinations and yet in October just gone she contracted covid. Very mild and I was clear on every test so safe to assume the vaccinations worked imo.
stewarts rise, if you had bothered to read the thread properly then you would have the answer to that.
Good for you sageform. You're evidently very good at playing Russian Roulette.
Amazing innit, that the only person on here who claims that their wife lost their sister and neice in the very early days, is the forum's very own Walty Mitty.
Anyone with family members who've developed a serious neurological condition, turbo cancer or died prematurely in the recent past?
Good for you sageform. You're evidently very good at playing Russian Roulette.
Amazing innit, that the only person on here who claims that their wife lost their sister and neice in the very early days, is the forum's very own Walty Mitty.
Anyone with family members who've developed a serious neurological condition, turbo cancer or died prematurely in the recent past?
You are the one with neurological issues George, you cannot comment on any subject without bringing Covid or a conspiracy theory into any conversation, as for Walter Mitty, all you require is a mirror!! HTH
GEORGE.B 18 Feb 25 00:04
You sure about that?
Following a failed attempt to appeal to the United Nations for a mandate to invade Iraq, the United States, along with forces from Australia, Denmark, Netherlands, Poland, and Great Britain launched Operation Iraqi Freedom on March 19, 2003. On May 1, 2003, President George W....
Who really made the decision?
congress and the cabinet.?
You sure about that?
Following a failed attempt to appeal to the United Nations for a mandate to invade Iraq, the United States, along with forces from Australia, Denmark, Netherlands, Poland, and Great Britain launched Operation Iraqi Freedom on March 19, 2003. On May 1, 2003, President George W....
Who really made the decision?
congress and the cabinet.?
Following a failed attempt to appeal to the United Nations for a mandate to invade Iraq, the United States,
That is it, they went ahead and invaded anyway on the basis of a lie, a million dead, mass migration, area destabilized.
That is it, they went ahead and invaded anyway on the basis of a lie, a million dead, mass migration, area destabilized.
yes i realise that george..wouldnt have been solely down to bush tho.
If you go into a poorly ventilated room full of people you have an odds on chance of catching something. If you keep to yourself the risk is minimal until grandchildren under 10yo arrive when they are usually infectious.
Feb 17, 2025 -- 3:55PM, GLASGOWCALLING wrote:
stick to the wife beating wanxershaft you mug
send ya missus to mine noxy al show her a real man and 9".
Catching up on 2 days of posting on this thread alone, should show everybody why the forum's dying on its @rse
Thanks for the advice sageform , i've just made a couple of phone calls to prevent my single digit grandchildren ever darkening my door again
Noxy still not mastered the art of copy and paste, figures I suppose.
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Catching up on 2 days of posting on this thread alone, should show everybody why the forum's dying on its @rse
Sam's got a bit of time on his hands, tractor must have broken down
Replies: 159919 Feb 25 14:14
Catching up on 2 days of posting on this thread alone, should show everybody why the forum's dying on its @rse
Sam's got a bit of time on his hands, tractor must have broken down
Feb 19, 2025 -- 3:45PM, werbie wrote:
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boy geaorge- 'the west has antagonized russia'
putin has engaged in cyberwar assassination cable-cutting invasion of georgia and still has a chunk of it, likewise moldova, which will be next, smashed up chechnyia and syria, interfered in elections worldwide, spread lies and disinfo via media it bans at home and crushed all protest and opposition. it should be fabulously wealthy but putin and his cronies own it and use its resources for their own ends
putin has stated repeatedly that ukraine is not a state and he intends returning it to russia. you wont deny this but ignore this incontrovertible truth in favour of fanciful 'what ifs' about the uk and cuba, so demented are you to avoid facts and reality. must be the west to blame. not the brutal dictaor, its the free world upsetting him. sweden and finland didnt join nato to annoy russia
you cant have a discussion with this idiot-he has the mind of an infant and knows nothing, hence his suscepibility to conspiracy theories
putin has engaged in cyberwar assassination cable-cutting invasion of georgia and still has a chunk of it, likewise moldova, which will be next, smashed up chechnyia and syria, interfered in elections worldwide, spread lies and disinfo via media it bans at home and crushed all protest and opposition. it should be fabulously wealthy but putin and his cronies own it and use its resources for their own ends
putin has stated repeatedly that ukraine is not a state and he intends returning it to russia. you wont deny this but ignore this incontrovertible truth in favour of fanciful 'what ifs' about the uk and cuba, so demented are you to avoid facts and reality. must be the west to blame. not the brutal dictaor, its the free world upsetting him. sweden and finland didnt join nato to annoy russia
you cant have a discussion with this idiot-he has the mind of an infant and knows nothing, hence his suscepibility to conspiracy theories
you cant discuss anything with bg because he doesnt know anything and relies on links from loonytube, which putin kindly supplies for him
nor is it wise with rasputin because say the wrong thing and you will have a sudden mysterious heart attack, fall from a tall building or ingest weapons-grade poison
nor is it wise with rasputin because say the wrong thing and you will have a sudden mysterious heart attack, fall from a tall building or ingest weapons-grade poison
the planet is a mysterious place toto...believe folk hall unless ewe see it yasell.
I can ask pertinent questions, don't you worry about that, madtolo.
So who's going to fight Putin?
We know you've ruled yourself, ya ol' yellow belly.
You expecting the Ukranians to fight to the last person?
More British teenagers to give their lives?
Funnily enough, Peter Hitchens did write about this in his Sunday column.
So who's going to fight Putin?
We know you've ruled yourself, ya ol' yellow belly.
You expecting the Ukranians to fight to the last person?
More British teenagers to give their lives?
Funnily enough, Peter Hitchens did write about this in his Sunday column.
if we were invaded id expect us to fight until the end. you dont want ukraine to do the same
if nobody stands up to him, he will carry on. adolf was allowed too much leeway and look where that led
never mentioned british teenagers. you did, as a distraction from the relaity you ignore. the war was inevitable when putin tore up the constitution and made himself dictator. this is why he did it. if you knew anything about his capture of state power for his own ends youd know this, it has been well-documented. tell us whence you derive your opinion? which scholars do you recommend? which political commentaors? which students of geo-politics? which news outlet? any russian dissidents living in fear have you read? get a move on because there wont be any left soon. ive a metre of books on this subject. i can recommend most of em, and have already but its a waste of time. conspiracy mugs are immune to evidence. and boy are you a mug
if nobody stands up to him, he will carry on. adolf was allowed too much leeway and look where that led
never mentioned british teenagers. you did, as a distraction from the relaity you ignore. the war was inevitable when putin tore up the constitution and made himself dictator. this is why he did it. if you knew anything about his capture of state power for his own ends youd know this, it has been well-documented. tell us whence you derive your opinion? which scholars do you recommend? which political commentaors? which students of geo-politics? which news outlet? any russian dissidents living in fear have you read? get a move on because there wont be any left soon. ive a metre of books on this subject. i can recommend most of em, and have already but its a waste of time. conspiracy mugs are immune to evidence. and boy are you a mug
mitolo 19 Feb 25 18:50
if we were invaded id expect us to fight until the end. you dont want ukraine to do the same
No I wouldn't, you clueless idiot. You have lived under tyranny in this country and continue to do so. Under the covid tyranny people were placed under house arrest for 23 hours a day and tricked / bullied into having a potentially dangerous potion injected into them.
More recently there have been people jailed for protesting, people jailed for posting words on social media, people jailed (like the teacher in Ireland) for refusing to comply with gender ideology.
You think you know it all but you're just a coward who knows f*ck all.
if we were invaded id expect us to fight until the end. you dont want ukraine to do the same
No I wouldn't, you clueless idiot. You have lived under tyranny in this country and continue to do so. Under the covid tyranny people were placed under house arrest for 23 hours a day and tricked / bullied into having a potentially dangerous potion injected into them.
More recently there have been people jailed for protesting, people jailed for posting words on social media, people jailed (like the teacher in Ireland) for refusing to comply with gender ideology.
You think you know it all but you're just a coward who knows f*ck all.
bizarre
i suspect those being killed home and abroad by putin would happily submit to such comparatively benign restrictions upon their liberty
you simply refuse to accept the reality of putins inhuman behaviuor and constantly whizz off to your favoured subject, despite its utter irrelevance
i suspect those being killed home and abroad by putin would happily submit to such comparatively benign restrictions upon their liberty
you simply refuse to accept the reality of putins inhuman behaviuor and constantly whizz off to your favoured subject, despite its utter irrelevance
such comparatively benign restrictions upon their liberty
The government's own report in 2020 estimated lockdowns would cost over 200,000 lives.
"benign restrictions". Righty ho.
As I said, you think you know it all but you know f*ck all.
How many lives did the West's intervention in Iraq, Libya, etc cost?
But let's have some more Western intervention in Ukraine and see how much more death and misery 'we' can cause?
The government's own report in 2020 estimated lockdowns would cost over 200,000 lives.
"benign restrictions". Righty ho.
As I said, you think you know it all but you know f*ck all.
How many lives did the West's intervention in Iraq, Libya, etc cost?
But let's have some more Western intervention in Ukraine and see how much more death and misery 'we' can cause?
you know that was a facetious response to your silly and irrelevant post. you are forever avoiding uncomfortable truth. its always 'whatabout' something else
putins 'intervention' in several places has caused colossal death and destruction. accept its his fault and not ours and then maybe you can talk of other wars
but you wont. alaways seeking to justify his mass-killing by blaming others. he doesnt. he said hes uniting ukraine with russia and hes got a chunk of it. stop appeasing the brute. you might calm down
there would be no death and misery if he hadnt invaded. 500 000 corpses. you wont have it, despite all evidence
putins 'intervention' in several places has caused colossal death and destruction. accept its his fault and not ours and then maybe you can talk of other wars
but you wont. alaways seeking to justify his mass-killing by blaming others. he doesnt. he said hes uniting ukraine with russia and hes got a chunk of it. stop appeasing the brute. you might calm down
there would be no death and misery if he hadnt invaded. 500 000 corpses. you wont have it, despite all evidence
So how does the conflict end?
Regime change in Russia after tens / hundreds of thousands more deaths (which could include people in this country too either by British soldiers dying in conflict or Russian missiles fired onto British soil)?
Regime change in Russia after tens / hundreds of thousands more deaths (which could include people in this country too either by British soldiers dying in conflict or Russian missiles fired onto British soil)?
brilliant
completely ignore whats gone before, wipe the slate, now what do we do?
you could accept you are wrong, and are at the very least guilty of being easy on the evil canute from the outset?
the conflict hasnt ended and wont unless ukriane runs out of manpower or weapons, or both. but that wouldnt solve it as its very likely to be a long guerilla war from the periphery, which would in itself become difficult as ukraine has a very tricky(to put it mildly) relationship with its neighbours. the only reason they are on its side now is because the alternative-russia- is a lot worse
thers no easy solution now its gone this far. war-weariness has made it easier for trump to step in and act as peacemaker. an appalling prospect. if the evil west had given ukraine the kit it demanded from the outset, putin would have backed off, fearing humiliation, and rightly so. despite russias massive defence spending, and it dwarfs everyone elses, it is so corrupt it cant be trusted to do what it says. it is likely his forces would have had to withdraw pdq. the 'special military operation' was supposed to last a fornight, according to the fsb/svr. but here we are 3 years on because putin did what all dictators do, surround himself with yes-men too terrified to tell him the truth
if anyone else dies on this conflict its putins fault. its his war. no civilian president would have invaded ukraine
the chance of russian missiles here is nil, unless they are the big narsty ones and if we get to that its too late
completely ignore whats gone before, wipe the slate, now what do we do?
you could accept you are wrong, and are at the very least guilty of being easy on the evil canute from the outset?
the conflict hasnt ended and wont unless ukriane runs out of manpower or weapons, or both. but that wouldnt solve it as its very likely to be a long guerilla war from the periphery, which would in itself become difficult as ukraine has a very tricky(to put it mildly) relationship with its neighbours. the only reason they are on its side now is because the alternative-russia- is a lot worse
thers no easy solution now its gone this far. war-weariness has made it easier for trump to step in and act as peacemaker. an appalling prospect. if the evil west had given ukraine the kit it demanded from the outset, putin would have backed off, fearing humiliation, and rightly so. despite russias massive defence spending, and it dwarfs everyone elses, it is so corrupt it cant be trusted to do what it says. it is likely his forces would have had to withdraw pdq. the 'special military operation' was supposed to last a fornight, according to the fsb/svr. but here we are 3 years on because putin did what all dictators do, surround himself with yes-men too terrified to tell him the truth
if anyone else dies on this conflict its putins fault. its his war. no civilian president would have invaded ukraine
the chance of russian missiles here is nil, unless they are the big narsty ones and if we get to that its too late
How can the conflict end? Here's what Peter Hitchens thinks...
We in Britain have lived in peace, safety and wealth for the past 80 years because of a huge act of appeasement and betrayal by our mighty, brave, patriotic and warlike leader, Sir Winston Churchill. His friend and ally, the much-admired President Franklin Roosevelt, joined in.
At the Soviet seaside town of Yalta, in the Crimea, in February 1945, these men handed the heart of Europe to Josef Stalin, the Soviet tyrant and mass-murderer.
In return, they believed (correctly) that the lands to the west of the line drawn across the continent at Yalta would be free. They knew beyond doubt that the great and famous cities of Prague, Warsaw and Budapest would sink into a twilight of secret police terror and communist misery.
And they did it for you and me. They did not think the peoples of Western Europe or the USA wanted yet another bloody war, another ten years of rationing, death and danger.
In their hearts, they knew this meant leaving the states they had betrayed to their fate. Moscow could and did send its tanks trundling into Prague and Budapest to extinguish any outbreaks of liberty, and we would do nothing.
Please tell me if you would have preferred the colossal European war, which was the other choice. Of course you wouldn’t. I mention this because I am often told that peace now between the West and Russia would be ‘appeasement’ and it would be so wrong that war would be better. Are you sure?
Neville Chamberlain’s earlier betrayal of Czechoslovakia at Munich in 1938 is always dragged out of its glass case at such moments. This isn’t the place to discuss it, but the view of political and media ‘experts’, who get their history out of GCSE picture books isn’t worth much. Such people have never been east of Ipswich and don’t know whether Vienna is west of Prague or the other way round. I do.
I’ve made the journey between them (and plenty of others in the same part of the world, which is why I laugh at their ludicrous beliefs about foreign policy). I’ll only say that if we had gone to war with Hitler in 1938, as everyone now claims to think we should have done, we would have done so with hardly any Spitfires (the first production Spitfire came off the assembly line in the spring of 1938).
We are even more naked now. The Navy that saved us at Dunkirk has been reduced to a malfunctioning flotilla. Much of it can barely put to sea. We spend more on Housing Benefit than we do on the RAF. Our boasted nuclear missiles plop lifeless into the sea when we try to fire them. Our Army is a shrivelled remnant.
So it is lucky for us that Vladimir Putin is not in fact a modern Hitler. Mr Putin’s drunken, press-ganged slob armies cannot even capture Kharkhov, 20 miles from Russia’s border. Perhaps this explains the ceaseless bombast of our senior spooks and treacle-voiced retired generals, thundering on about how ‘we’ must fight for Ukraine. By ‘we’ they mean Ukrainians, not them. Do these heroes in safety, far from any front line, do this precisely because they know the truth?
For the truth is that this a brainless, avoidable conflict. I’ve explained here before how various American idiots and fantasists strove for years to make a war in this region, and eventually succeeded.
They did so because the Russian regime they faced was even stupider than them. It became so nasty and foolish that it was successfully provoked into an illegal invasion. And now what? Here’s another big war started by the USA, which it looks as if the USA cannot be bothered to finish.
In Vietnam, and then in Iraq and Syria, the USA has spent billions on dimwit wars, and then pulled out leaving others to mop up the mess. President Trump’s recent big-power bullying of his own peaceable neighbours has perhaps made the President more sympathetic to similar Russian behaviour. No wonder.
The USA would never have put up with a hostile military alliance on its borders. Mr Trump’s main interest has now shifted to China, and Washington’s war party is looking the same way. Those in Europe who have spent the past few years posing as military musclemen – while relying on the Pentagon to supply the actual muscle – must now show how committed they really are to pushing NATO ever eastwards. What is it all for, exactly? Beats me.
Look, the only power worth having, in life or in foreign affairs, is the power to stop others from pushing you around. Lots of countries, several of them our allies, such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt, are appalling torture-chamber tyrannies which murder their people. I have visited nearly 60 countries in my life and I disapprove of the way they order their nations. But it is none of my business, just as it is none of theirs how we govern ourselves.
In the end, the job of our statesmen is not to pose as saviours of the planet, but to keep their own people in liberty under the law, with peace, order and prosperity. If peace is to come in Ukraine, then it will now involve appeasement, because there is no other realistic way to end it.
You may not like that, but do you honestly prefer unending war which might one day stretch into our territory? The greatest appeaser in our history, Winston Churchill, understood this. Why can’t our modern leaders, who ceaselessly claim to admire him?
We in Britain have lived in peace, safety and wealth for the past 80 years because of a huge act of appeasement and betrayal by our mighty, brave, patriotic and warlike leader, Sir Winston Churchill. His friend and ally, the much-admired President Franklin Roosevelt, joined in.
At the Soviet seaside town of Yalta, in the Crimea, in February 1945, these men handed the heart of Europe to Josef Stalin, the Soviet tyrant and mass-murderer.
In return, they believed (correctly) that the lands to the west of the line drawn across the continent at Yalta would be free. They knew beyond doubt that the great and famous cities of Prague, Warsaw and Budapest would sink into a twilight of secret police terror and communist misery.
And they did it for you and me. They did not think the peoples of Western Europe or the USA wanted yet another bloody war, another ten years of rationing, death and danger.
In their hearts, they knew this meant leaving the states they had betrayed to their fate. Moscow could and did send its tanks trundling into Prague and Budapest to extinguish any outbreaks of liberty, and we would do nothing.
Please tell me if you would have preferred the colossal European war, which was the other choice. Of course you wouldn’t. I mention this because I am often told that peace now between the West and Russia would be ‘appeasement’ and it would be so wrong that war would be better. Are you sure?
Neville Chamberlain’s earlier betrayal of Czechoslovakia at Munich in 1938 is always dragged out of its glass case at such moments. This isn’t the place to discuss it, but the view of political and media ‘experts’, who get their history out of GCSE picture books isn’t worth much. Such people have never been east of Ipswich and don’t know whether Vienna is west of Prague or the other way round. I do.
I’ve made the journey between them (and plenty of others in the same part of the world, which is why I laugh at their ludicrous beliefs about foreign policy). I’ll only say that if we had gone to war with Hitler in 1938, as everyone now claims to think we should have done, we would have done so with hardly any Spitfires (the first production Spitfire came off the assembly line in the spring of 1938).
We are even more naked now. The Navy that saved us at Dunkirk has been reduced to a malfunctioning flotilla. Much of it can barely put to sea. We spend more on Housing Benefit than we do on the RAF. Our boasted nuclear missiles plop lifeless into the sea when we try to fire them. Our Army is a shrivelled remnant.
So it is lucky for us that Vladimir Putin is not in fact a modern Hitler. Mr Putin’s drunken, press-ganged slob armies cannot even capture Kharkhov, 20 miles from Russia’s border. Perhaps this explains the ceaseless bombast of our senior spooks and treacle-voiced retired generals, thundering on about how ‘we’ must fight for Ukraine. By ‘we’ they mean Ukrainians, not them. Do these heroes in safety, far from any front line, do this precisely because they know the truth?
For the truth is that this a brainless, avoidable conflict. I’ve explained here before how various American idiots and fantasists strove for years to make a war in this region, and eventually succeeded.
They did so because the Russian regime they faced was even stupider than them. It became so nasty and foolish that it was successfully provoked into an illegal invasion. And now what? Here’s another big war started by the USA, which it looks as if the USA cannot be bothered to finish.
In Vietnam, and then in Iraq and Syria, the USA has spent billions on dimwit wars, and then pulled out leaving others to mop up the mess. President Trump’s recent big-power bullying of his own peaceable neighbours has perhaps made the President more sympathetic to similar Russian behaviour. No wonder.
The USA would never have put up with a hostile military alliance on its borders. Mr Trump’s main interest has now shifted to China, and Washington’s war party is looking the same way. Those in Europe who have spent the past few years posing as military musclemen – while relying on the Pentagon to supply the actual muscle – must now show how committed they really are to pushing NATO ever eastwards. What is it all for, exactly? Beats me.
Look, the only power worth having, in life or in foreign affairs, is the power to stop others from pushing you around. Lots of countries, several of them our allies, such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt, are appalling torture-chamber tyrannies which murder their people. I have visited nearly 60 countries in my life and I disapprove of the way they order their nations. But it is none of my business, just as it is none of theirs how we govern ourselves.
In the end, the job of our statesmen is not to pose as saviours of the planet, but to keep their own people in liberty under the law, with peace, order and prosperity. If peace is to come in Ukraine, then it will now involve appeasement, because there is no other realistic way to end it.
You may not like that, but do you honestly prefer unending war which might one day stretch into our territory? The greatest appeaser in our history, Winston Churchill, understood this. Why can’t our modern leaders, who ceaselessly claim to admire him?
A good read GEORGE.B Starmer better choose the right side quickly or what will Trump be calling him ?
Feb 19, 2025 -- 2:24PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:
noxy infiltrates every descent fred.
you said i wasnt seen in 6 months mr fooktard???
No fighting age Ukrainian male should be in this country if they want British soldiers to go there. Are there any British cabinet ministers kids likely to be anywhere near the front line?
Feb 20, 2025 -- 1:43PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:
yes..6 mths in slammer for Libel?
my god you are you dumb fooktard
according to you a person not seen for 6 months infiltrates every thread?
a special king of wife beating mug you are
now log off and log back in a glascunt to reply wanxershaft
10 divisions of fighting age males have crossed the English Channel in small boats in the last few years surely they would welcome a good fight in Ukraine for British citizenship.
Not sure I want all of the former USSR back under Putin's control (or his successor). If America won't stop that happening then who else will? I don't disagree with all you say above but did Putin make any attempt to negotiate a deal BEFORE he invaded Crimea or later on before he attacked the rest of Ukraine? Surely that is the only civilised way to recover land that Russia considers theirs. He might even have had some sympathy if he had tried to explain why he wanted it. But of course we now have 2 tyrants. Putin wants all of E. Europe back while Trump wants Canada, Panama and Greenland. Just another cosy business deal in the eyes of both and to hell with anyone who lives there.
Fu(king clown
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