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I know wrong trip , ground etc but they said he was the second coming..
Not after that he isn't.
Arise the new King of the 2 mile chasing division. The older horses won't live with that one.
Nicky said one time that we wouldn't see the likes of Sprinter Sacre again in his lifetime , well, I think he might just have found a suitable replacement.
A joy to watch and if that doesn't put a christmas smile on every national hunt fans face then they are in the wrong game .
Constitution Hill yesterday and Sir Gino today, well done seven barrows.
Roll on Cheltenham.
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Not after that he isn't.
Arise the new King of the 2 mile chasing division. The older horses won't live with that one.
Nicky said one time that we wouldn't see the likes of Sprinter Sacre again in his lifetime , well, I think he might just have found a suitable replacement.
A joy to watch and if that doesn't put a christmas smile on every national hunt fans face then they are in the wrong game .
Constitution Hill yesterday and Sir Gino today, well done seven barrows.
Roll on Cheltenham.
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Staying hurdler
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The only people who should be disappointed with Ballyburn are those who were silly enough to think he was a two-miler. Unfortunately, the trainer was one of them.
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Dont agree. The trainer will have known he wasn’t a two mile chaser. Maybe connections didn’t think that and chose the race.
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They know now if they did.
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Totally concur with onetens OP.....took my breath .....a total joy
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Only One Sprinter SACRE
Sir Geno is his APPRENTICE  |
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Ballyburns owner stated the trainer chose the race "For the trip" eric muppet. hth
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I'm so lucky , you are right. Notice though please, I said he might have found Sprinter Sacres replacement. Not that he has found.
There is nothing worse than people comparing a horse to an all time great like Sprinter who achieved so much and was a world beater over a lifetime and the young pretender has only had 1 run over fences. Sir Gino looks like a worthy apprentice to the great Sprinter Sacre. He's certainly in the right hands to have a long and flourishing career and who knows, in 2 or 3 years time if he has won the champion chase and tingle creek back to back we can start to compare them. As we have seen with Constitution H , anything can happen and they can go wrong in an instant. . |
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SS was a brillant jumper!!!
And did it with PANACHE Genio does not give me the same vibes Still remember SS first chase win at Donny Had the biggest ante post bet for the Arkle afterwards Only got 7-1 Times have changed |
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Btw I don't see how Ballyburn's bubble was well and truly burst, as DD says the horse is not a 2 miler over fences, we both stated the same last year so not an after timed opinion. He is going to be a quality staying chaser imo and a possible serious Gold Cup contender.
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thought Nicky said last year it wasnt worth going chasing if you couldnt stay 3 miles re CH
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gino skied half the fences certainly not a natural but obviously got engine
2nd v weak in betting |
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Isleham , yes he probably did because re CH , because if you aren't winning the champion hurdle repeatedly, the only step up in the world worth making would be to win the Gold cup. The top hurdling prize and the top chasing prize.
No point going for anything in-between as that would be a downward step. |
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Every year there is a novice hurdler who wins impressively at the festival, and everyone think he is the next big thing.
Ballyburn last year, Impaire Et Passe the year before. But in truth it is only occasionally we get a good one like Constitution Hill who can go on and prove it in open company. |
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What about Mystical power (Annie's son) he was only out for race course gallops so far.in fact he might be out for a gallop tomorrow
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4 very good horses in 2 races, 2 of them had to lose. If they avoid each other at the festival they'd make a tidy Acca.
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Yes , and that is the beauty of the festival in days gone by and why it should not be diluted any further.
We don't want them to be able to avoid each other. We need them to meet in order to have a champion . Otherwise we have what's been going on for the last few years and one superior horse in each race , odds on and nothing to take it out of ots comfort zone. Far better for racing as it is a far better spectacle when they do meet and look at the excitement it creates when they do. You only have to look at the threads that have been viewed thousands of times and generated hundreds of replies this last week to see that. |
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You lot know damn all about racing.
Yes, Ballyburn repeatedly jumped left and had nothing left, and the Mullins barn is bang out of form with three winners from 47 runners according to the Racing Post, but that's just nonsense. No, if you look at RPRs, Ballyburn ran to 158, his best ever apart from his Cheltenham Festival win. So STFU because the only other explanation is pundits getting carried away with Sir Gino and needing to boost the form to justify the hype around Hendo's winner who apparently improved by 10 pounds. It's lucky 100/1 rag Brookie ran to form. |
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Every year following christmas results some Cheltenham festival races are apparently done and dusted , winter vs spring comparisons are often worlds apart.
Good luck today all |
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"No, if you look at RPRs, Ballyburn ran to 158, his best ever apart from his Cheltenham Festival win". I look at how quick he is and how he jumps. His festival win was 2m 5f. That's his trip if he "ever jumps "
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weak in betting like plenty of willies this xmas I'll be long on ballyburn short on gino going forward opposite to most
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back up in trip almost certainly will be
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No, if you look at RPRs, Ballyburn ran to 158
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Not sure bubble burst just yet.
Better over a bit further and Sir Gino looks absolutely top top draw. |
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Stewarts got it right, Ramruna's sweeping statement about everyone but him not knowing anything about racing and then quoting RPRs!!! Anybody using what is one individuals assessment to make such a statement suggests if ignorance is bliss he must be as happy as a pig in the proverbial or as thick as for not reading all before shooting off a presumably big mouth?
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CagliariG -- you missed that my post was sarcastic. I was taking the rise out of the pundits, like the Racing Post, telling us simultaneously that:-
1. Mullins is going through a bad patch 2. Ballyburn ran its second-best race ever in order to justify the hype around Hendo's hoss How can both be true at the same time? Perhaps Sir Gino is the second coming but maybe, just maybe, he beat an out-of-sorts Ballyburn running at the wrong trip. |
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You're covering your own backside tho! Which is it for you. He's as exceptional as he looked, or flattered by stuffing a horse with a big rep himself, being run over the wrong trip ?
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top class horses can run well over the rong trip.
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bubble burst walofs.
bally was 15L in front of rubard who's a solid 148 OR..townend was easing bally well before the last..it ploughed thru the last what cost it lengths..gino is 4yr old,was spectacular yest..could easily be another sprinter sacre..and is now easily a 165 OR chaser..bally pushed out and without the last fence blunder would have been beaten mebbe 5-6L which was close to 158 no danger. |
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Nobody knows what Rubaud is worth over fences. In fact between the front three in the market they had only one run over fences between them. The time stands up to scrutiny. Yesterday wasn't about weights and measures though, as the inexperience I allude to suggests. The impression was significant, and Gino could not have done much more in that respect.
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I disagree Rico, the bubble was burst.
The horse was unbeaten except for his first run over hurdles and had an air of invincibility around him due to the way he won at Cheltenham and the way the pundits spoke about him. He was talked about in the press as if he could be on the best ever. He had had a run over fences prior to kempton so had an advantage over Gino but he was out jumped and out pointed throughout the race. |
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Seems like you also need a lesson in reading oneten, can you give any examples of pundits or anyone else predicting he was going to be a two mile chaser? Ran at Kempton because 2 races he would have run in lost from the programme.
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has Man Citys bubble burst becos theyve been beaten?
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bally will win any 2m chase if gino is absent.
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I'd be amazed if he runs in another 2m chase again.
He doesn't jump well enough and has shown he doesn't have the speed to contend with a true 2 miler. I would think Mullins will step him back up in trip. |
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Really good chance City won't be top 4 Rico. After winning it 4 times it's as good as burst for who knows how long.
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Mullins said: "Sir Gino is just an out-and-out two-miler, he has the Flat pedigree and is bred to run on the Flat, whereas our fellow is bred to be a three-miler but people were counting him as a Champion Hurdle horse before we made the decision to go over fences. Now it just looks like he wants a trip.“
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"people were counting him as a Champion Hurdle horse" So it was my stupid fault for listening to them he didn't say !
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has Man Citys bubble burst becos theyve been beaten?
can lay them at 11/1 to be relegated. think they've got enough quality within the squad to avoid the drop. man utd on the other hand, look like a mid-table Championship outfit |