Stewards Lingfield

3rd was going to win until the double drift

cud be disq..need to sea hd on again.

ATR will show head on after the stewards inquiry has finished

Depends if the stewarts were in on the gambol.

Looks a straightforward toss to me.

certain to go

absolute cert to be chucked on that head on

Lots of interference and will probably be chucked, but at 5.0 to stand I've had a very small tickle.

Has to go. In at 1.28

1.01 to be disq..wonderful price

1.14 now. What price did you bag?

How is this taking so long

only caveat is..would 2nd have definetely have won? im dont honestly think it would have but,winners carried it 6-7yds right and bumped it 2-3 times.

Its such a small 'but', we cant know that as its such significant interference

They've declared dividends on RP website- they only Usually do this after result confIrmed.

I often think when its taking a while to work out that they're only discussing jockey ban & they're not overturning

stands

Standard farce from out stewards. This would have been sorted in 5-8 mins in the US. 24 mins and counting here.

FFS

wow, that's a big decision

Stands - stewards a scorrupt as you can get.

Seems like an obvious one to change on appeal.

wd jamee good call

That was 1.01 to be thrown out - how the hell can that happen.

One can never know what goes on in the human brain as mentioned at 13.36.

Worst decision I've seen for a while. Sure to get it if they appeal but too late for punters.

There need to be financial repurcussions for stewards who blatantly make the wrong decision.

i got lucky..more i watched i thort this wouldnt have won..it wasnt really coming to win the race..had more back on winner than i thort and actually won £200 but still was the wrong decision imo.

the 1.01 backers only have to agree with the stewards the next 99 times out of 99 to recover

only went 1.06..

even though i dont think it would have won you simply have to decide..has a horse being carried 6-7yds right and bumped 2-3 times cost it a neck?  it was gradually closing last few yds but im not 'certain' it would have 100% won.

well worth an appeal that's for sure

Horse Racing > Lingfield 3rd Dec : 1m2f Hcap
Showing 1 - 6 of 6 selections
Selection
Odds    Stake (£)    Bid type    Placed    Profit/Loss (£)
Sunset In Paris
*65.69    7.66    Lay   
03-Dec-24 13:32
7.66
Harlington
*71.02    4.27    Lay   
03-Dec-24 13:32
4.27
Forge Valley Lad
1000    0.96    Lay   
03-Dec-24 13:32
0.96
Lost In Time
*1.20    1,000.00    Back   
03-Dec-24 13:38
-1,000.00
Lost In Time
*1.20    1,000.00    Lay   
03-Dec-24 13:48
1,000.00
Dubai Harbour
5.20    45.95    Back   
03-Dec-24 13:48
192.98
*Average odds:  On  Off                   
Back subtotal:    -807.02
Lay subtotal:    1,012.89
Market subtotal:    205.87
Commission @ 2.00%:    4.12
Net Market Total:    201.75


c'mon jamee post yours.

After rewatching i think the third would have won if not hampered

c'mon jamee post yours.

You're an odd fella, Rico.

Horse Racing > Lingfield 3rd Dec : 1m2f Hcap
Showing 1 - 3 of 3 selections
Selection
Odds    Stake (£)    Bid type    Placed    Profit/Loss (£)
Global Resolve
*966.67    0.39    Lay   
03-Dec-24 13:32
0.39
Mapogo    1000    0.70    Lay   
03-Dec-24 13:32
0.70
Dubai Harbour    5    20.00    Back   
03-Dec-24 13:36
80.00
*Average odds:  On  Off                   
Back subtotal:    80.00
Lay subtotal:    1.09
Market subtotal:    81.09
Commission @ 2.00%:    1.62
Net Market Total:    79.47

Well its going to take me plenty of work to get that back

Dec 3, 2024 -- 1:58PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:

i got lucky..more i watched i thort this wouldnt have won..it wasnt really coming to win the race..had more back on winner than i thort and actually won £200 but still was the wrong decision imo.

WD Rico.

£1.09 without the stewards bet jamee..all adds up i suppose.

tramps on park benches suddenly seen holding on to their bag of  chips with a vice like grip as some Betfair 1.1 backers circle menacingly around them 

First time I've watched it and I'm gobsmacked they didn't reverse the result.

Funny rules we have

An enquiry was held to consider the placings in this race after interference approximately half a furlong out, involving the winner, DUBAI HARBOUR, ridden by Paddy Bradley, LOST IN TIME, placed second, ridden by David Probert and FORGE VALLEY LAD, placed third, ridden by Joey Haynes. The Stewards found the interference was accidental and had not improved DUBAI HARBOUR’S placing, as LOST IN TIME and FORGE VALLEY LAD had lost little momentum as a result of the interference, with the winner always holding both runners and the winning distance being two necks at the line. The Stewards’ deemed the interference to be accidental as Bradley’s mount had lugged right-handed before ducking sharply further right-handed despite his best efforts to keep it straight.

so horse carries another 6-7yds right,bumps it 2-3 times and stewards deem that cost it no momentum.

Just heard the biggest load of rubbish from a steward or whatever he was. The Lingfield stewards should be slung out.

Dont think Chapman could believe what the idiot was saying

Ex jockey Fergus Sweeney

Always holding

Forge Valley Lad was closing the whole straight, stalled with the bump then ran on again, no bump it wins

Dec 3, 2024 -- 4:05PM, in hell wrote:

Ex jockey Fergus Sweeney

Ex Steward as well.

ColeWorldNoBlanket 03 Dec 24 16:06 
Always holding Laugh

Forge Valley Lad was closing the whole straight, stalled with the bump then ran on again, no bump it wins


i disagree...i think winner was holding it when it drifted and would imo of won anyways..but when a horse gets carried 6-7yds and bumped a few times and beaten a nck you'd think in the balance of probabilty you would expect a nck loss to be overturned.

The problem lies within our stupid interference rules. In this case the Stews decided that the winner

'did not improve it's placing' as a result of the interference it caused.

The rule should be changed to the way the French used to have them (before they stupidly switched to

our version for continuity),i.e.If a horse suffers interference and that costs it a placing the

perpetrator should be dq'd and placed behind it.

Clearly the 3rd would have at least finished 2nd if not 1st .

they did that here a couple of yr ago then backtracked.

Rico-Dangleflaps • December 3, 2024 1:40 PM GMT
1.01 to be disq..wonderful price

so horse carries another 6-7yds right,bumps it 2-3 times and stewards deem that cost it no momentum.

...i think winner was holding it when it drifted and would imo of won anyways..but when a horse gets carried 6-7yds and bumped a few times and beaten a nck you'd think in the balance of probabilty you would expect a nck loss to be overturned.


1.01 to balance of probability, make your mind up ffs

won £200..you?

Been out all day, backed the 3rd and in a double with Jackson Street, came on to see the views as haven't seen head on. What made you change your mind?

cant deliberate when betting on impulse..initially like the masses it looked an obv disqualification..so i bet it
then when i carefully watched it a few times i decided

only caveat is..would 2nd have definitely have won? i dont honestly think it would have but,winners carried it 6-7yds right and bumped it 2-3 times.

10 min after stewards announced it was still 1.2 and thort fck it im getting out as i wouldnt be suprised if they decide what i thort..i still think winner would have won and still think it was the wrong decision.

I've only seen the side on view, but agree it's never worth leaving yourself in a bad position with the stewarding as it is nowadays.

So you agreed with them in the end? You think the winner would've won? In which case it was the right decision to leave it?

Any idea how I can see the head on? ATR racing replay isn't on tomorrow, foreign stuff instead.

i didnt have a bet in it but its pretty rare that a winner is slung out  . 6 ish  looked big ,

if it  would have been chucked out rico would have been congratulating himself saying the same **** ,,only tells you afterwards he changed his mind ,walos

I've just seen it on Stateside. A scandalous decision.

It can be asserted that Fergus Sweeney is as useless as a steward as he ever was as a jockey.

Rico-Dangleflaps 03 Dec 24 13:47 
only caveat is..would 2nd have definetely have won? im dont honestly think it would have but,winners carried it 6-7yds right and bumped it 2-3 times.

posted 5 mins before result called.

where in that post did it say that your getting out of any bet rico ,,total bull**** who has it everyway after the result

my point being..the 2nd was alongside the winner 1f out 1/2L down..it wasnt challenging...i think in the balance of probability imo the winner may have held on..although the 2nd was inching closer the last 20yds.

but,surely if a horse is carried 6-7yds right and bumped 2-3 times you'd think 95% of stewards would agree its probably cost it more than a neck..if the distance had been a sh hd it would have went.
but ive seen horses disq for way way less than the ground the 2nd was carried today.

easykc1 03 Dec 24 21:17 
where in that post did it say that your getting out of any bet rico ,,total bull**** who has it everyway after the result

i'd never stated i'd had a bet..idiot.

The third horse would 100% of won that race if it didn't have its momentum checked. The stewards in this country are absolute idiots and they are one of the many reasons why racing is in decline. What most punters want is fairness. We can take it if our horse loses but when it should've won but didn't because the moronic stewards have ZERO common sense and critical thinking skills then we take our money elsewhere.
I probably spend 10% on horse racing now compared to what I did. How many are like me? I bet quite a lot and today's decision is another straw on the camels back of me moving more away from this sport.

If it had won by a head it would have been reversed, that's how daft the rules are. If you cause serious interference you should get chucked no matter the winning distance and any minor interference should be completely ignored. It should be as simple as that but this sport is run by incompetents.

An enquiry was held to consider the placings in this race after interference approximately half a furlong out, involving the winner, DUBAI HARBOUR, ridden by Paddy Bradley, LOST IN TIME, placed second, ridden by David Probert and FORGE VALLEY LAD, placed third, ridden by Joey Haynes. The Stewards found the interference was accidental and had not improved DUBAI HARBOUR’S placing, as LOST IN TIME and FORGE VALLEY LAD had lost little momentum as a result of the interference, with the winner always holding both runners and the winning distance being two necks at the line. The Stewards’ deemed the interference to be accidental as Bradley’s mount had lugged right-handed before ducking sharply further right-handed despite his best efforts to keep it straight.

so horse carries another 6-7yds right,bumps it 2-3 times and stewards deem that cost it no momentum.
for than statement alone they arnt fit for purpose.

It seems racing rules are now that if the horse in 2nd comes cruising up to the horse currently in the lead (and looks like its going to win by 10l). However the leading horse suddenly veers sharply to the right and carries the 2nd horse across the track and slams it against the rails. The 2nd horse recovers and finishes like a train but loses by 1/2 length. The moronic stewards would allow the lead the winner to keep the race. The jockey might get a 3 day ban for careless riding (reduced to 3 mins if it's someone famous)....
I really hate our stewards and the cowards in the media never call them out as they are all public school mates.

Totally agree with Rico on this. But yeah it looks like you can bump and barge the 2nd  throughout the race but as long as it's not closing at the finish result stands

And in this case the third would have finished in front of the fptp without interference imo.

The rest of the world must laugh at us with decisions like that. In the States you can give a horse a slight nudge coming out of the stalls, beat it 10 lengths, but get DQd.

I'd always thought our system was better but with some of dubious decisions in recent times it might be time to take the discretion away from the stewards and treat all interference equally, i.e contact into (or movement into the path of) another horse = DQ.

The American view is a foul is a foul and should be penalised and surely the right way to do things.

But this is Billy Smart.

a foul wasn't a foul by STARLUST in the breeders cup

guys you can argue  about the stewards and result till the cows come home ,it wont make any difference.

1tp, because he didn't initiate the foul, Cogburn took his path so no option but to move out.

I agree. We should follow the US rules. They are a lot fairer and more consistent. Our stewards are also mainly amateur idiots.
Does everyone remember how they believed James Doyles lies when he eased down at Windsor and got beat. Zero penalty. Morons all of them.

sparrow 04 Dec 24 11:45 
The American view is a foul is a foul and should be penalised and surely the right way to do things.

isnt the correct way imo..the rules should be..has it cost another a closer finishing position..if yes.place it behind that horse..simple enough.

That is what they do in America Rico, place behind the horse affected.

a nah sparra marra..

but,should arny be IF its cost the hampered horse from a closer placing or winning.

4.Disqualification.
a. When the stewards determine that a horse shall be disqualified for interference, they may place the offending horse behind such horses as in their judgement it interfered with, or they may place it last.

stupid rules..if a yank hoss bumps another after 50yds how the fck can it bee determined its cost it a closer plaice.

common sense needs applied.

as yesterday..do i think 2nd would have won?  no cant be certain..but ive seen horses drift 2 yds and not touch the runner up and be disq.

Anyone remember Boring Goring at Exeter a few years ago. The most ridiculous stewards case of a horse keeping a race ever.

yes..revered it few weeks earlier for same offence.

Rico... do you think the third would have won without getting hampered?

Scrub that..just read the thread through and you've already stated your opinion

tbh ive never looked at that gray..will now.

yes would have went very close to winning..obv imposs to say for sure.

Yep.

Just listening to the barstewards' podcast there and they highlighted that Fergus Sweeney rode plenty for Pat Phelan when he was a jockey, and whilst they're not suggesting that this might have influenced the decision to let the result stand, they say the potential is there for a conflict of interest when ex-jockeys are given stewarding jobs.

I've just checked and as far back as the RP database goes, at least, Sweeney actually had more rides for the trainer of the runner-up, Dean Ivory, than he did for Phelan!

did Ivory train the 2nd though?

Yes, Lost In Time.

ahh roger ..didnt read properly.