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Winner down aswell.good ground so hardly a slog.
Crazy ,what are the chances.
Many clouds.
Crazy ,what are the chances.
Many clouds.
yes saw that as well love the sport but sometimes its a hard watch
Horrible to see Buffalo struggling. Will never get used to it.
2 horses in one race...jesus.
this is when bbc news will report on racing.
this is when bbc news will report on racing.
Lovely Sunday afternoon viewing for ITV main channel - see them renewing their contract.
Spot on,Aberdonia.More desperate PR for the sport,with everyone trying to defend it.
I have been switching between rugger and this.... taken aback by this. I am now being two faced, whilst understanding what Mick Fitz is saying the life they get, the counter argument they do not get a choice.
At a point like this I do not know the right words, so I will say no more, and hope these 2 horses go to the racing barn heaven RIP.
At a point like this I do not know the right words, so I will say no more, and hope these 2 horses go to the racing barn heaven RIP.
Just interviewing the owner who was oblivious to the horses collapse... absolutely devastating for all concerned, RIP both brave Horses.
3 1/2 miles over jumps it's not racing, it's galloping to a standstill. I love flat racing and yes,
horses break legs but rarely drop from a heart attack. It's one reason I've never had an interest in
the Jumps.
horses break legs but rarely drop from a heart attack. It's one reason I've never had an interest in
the Jumps.
fitzy their bred to do it on paper yes
but in the last race 3 or 4 of them were literally climbing over the fences looked like they,d never seen one before,Under supervision could have been pulled up a lot early carried on and absolutely burried himself at fence top of the hill,they cant tell the jock they've had enough
but in the last race 3 or 4 of them were literally climbing over the fences looked like they,d never seen one before,Under supervision could have been pulled up a lot early carried on and absolutely burried himself at fence top of the hill,they cant tell the jock they've had enough
was another bad fall there not picked up by Comms
The only safe way to have National Hunt Racing is not to have National Hunt Racing.
Ive always preferred flat racing, enjoy NH, but its a war of attrition where horses are pushed into fences and asked for an effort when they are fcked....
All this will be fuel for the animal rights nutters and they won't differentiate between jumps and
flat racing.
flat racing.
Cardiovascular collapses, falls galore, the best horse in France pulls up having bled. These horses no longer have the constitution (ironic word considering the way Constitution Hill has had to be handled with kid gloves) to stand up to the demands of National Hunt racing. The death rate is just far too high. It's days are numbered here.
We normally follow Australia's lead just with a few year's delay.
We normally follow Australia's lead just with a few year's delay.
ive just watched a flat race at Toulouse on the grass under floodlights, middle of November...
take their right about 2 horses dying at navan,but Lisa and Gary absolutely giddy with excitement about the days racing as compared to subdued atmosphere, whatever they say their just btools of thew trade in ire and forget in a nano second especially the lower grade ones,which in Ireland is literally 1000,s
www.gubbage.com for the bleak reality of it all. also horsedeathwatch.com.
Aber..yes Toulouse is in the South of France so turf growth probably better than here however, if we
can have jumps races on turf in the winter, why can't we have flat racing in the winter on turf?
can have jumps races on turf in the winter, why can't we have flat racing in the winter on turf?
It has to go down as the spookiest post-race winning interview ever because Sean Bowen was keen to point out to Alice Plunkett that he was the ONLY ONE wearing a black armband...Minutes later his horse was dead.
We all know these horses are looked after fabulously but is there any other sport where five of the runners were killed in one day? On average one killed every other day during the NH season! I like watching racing as much as anyone else but if the NH side of it was banned I could stomach that more than stomach watching the deaths!!!
I know there was a lot of upset from some of the trainers when their horses were stopped from running in the Melbourne Cup, but when there are days like this you can't blame them taking every precaution in their race that stops the nation and has all the media and country watching.
ITV news all over the fatalities now on their main news programme and it's broadcast on their channel. Not for much longer at this rate.
From BBC website.....fair reporting imo..
Sunday's third and final day of the November Meeting at Cheltenham was overshadowed by the death of three horses.
Abuffalosoldier collapsed after winning the Holland Cooper Handicap Chase, the fourth race of the day.
A statement from the racecourse said the seven-year-old, ridden by Sean Bowen and trained by Warren Greatrex, "was immediately attended (to) by expert veterinary professionals but sadly could not be saved".
They added: "Our heartfelt condolences are with his connections."
Earlier in the same race, Bangers And Cash, from the Ben Pauling yard, also collapsed when it was pulled up after the 14th fence.
In the fifth race of the day, Napper Tandy, trained by Matthew Smith, sustained a fatal injury after falling two hurdles from home.
A British Horseracing Authority spokesperson said: "The losses of Abuffalosoldier, Bangers And Cash and Napper Tandy at Cheltenham today are a tragedy for all connections and the thoughts of all of us at the BHA are with them.
"All three were provided with outstanding care and attention throughout their lives by those who cared for them and nobody will be more heartbroken tonight than those individuals.
"As with all fatalities, we will seek to understand the circumstances behind each incident as we strive to continue to reduce avoidable risk in our sport."
After the deaths of Abuffalosoldier and Bangers and Cash, Liam Kearns, lead veterinary surgeon for Jockey Club Racecourses, told Racing TV: "(In) both cases we call them cardio-vascular collapse, as you can't say at this stage whether it is a true heart attack or whether it is a major blood vessel that has ruptured. But it is of that nature and therefore it is a sudden death situation.
"The vets are deployed all around the racecourse so both horses were attended within seconds and in those situations of acute collapse there are some drugs we can administer but if it is a true cardio-vascular collapse, not a lot can be done.
"It's a high-intensity racing situation. We have similar when marathon runners run or long-distance races are run - there is always a concern that athletes at a high level of exertion can without any previous symptoms present this situation.
"It's a huge coincidence that it happened twice in the same race.
"All horses are thoroughly checked at home before they leave to go to the races, they are monitored carefully when they arrive at the races and trainers and connections love them to bits - no horse would go to the races with any prior knowledge of a situation like this.
"It is one of those sudden things that can strike."
Sunday's third and final day of the November Meeting at Cheltenham was overshadowed by the death of three horses.
Abuffalosoldier collapsed after winning the Holland Cooper Handicap Chase, the fourth race of the day.
A statement from the racecourse said the seven-year-old, ridden by Sean Bowen and trained by Warren Greatrex, "was immediately attended (to) by expert veterinary professionals but sadly could not be saved".
They added: "Our heartfelt condolences are with his connections."
Earlier in the same race, Bangers And Cash, from the Ben Pauling yard, also collapsed when it was pulled up after the 14th fence.
In the fifth race of the day, Napper Tandy, trained by Matthew Smith, sustained a fatal injury after falling two hurdles from home.
A British Horseracing Authority spokesperson said: "The losses of Abuffalosoldier, Bangers And Cash and Napper Tandy at Cheltenham today are a tragedy for all connections and the thoughts of all of us at the BHA are with them.
"All three were provided with outstanding care and attention throughout their lives by those who cared for them and nobody will be more heartbroken tonight than those individuals.
"As with all fatalities, we will seek to understand the circumstances behind each incident as we strive to continue to reduce avoidable risk in our sport."
After the deaths of Abuffalosoldier and Bangers and Cash, Liam Kearns, lead veterinary surgeon for Jockey Club Racecourses, told Racing TV: "(In) both cases we call them cardio-vascular collapse, as you can't say at this stage whether it is a true heart attack or whether it is a major blood vessel that has ruptured. But it is of that nature and therefore it is a sudden death situation.
"The vets are deployed all around the racecourse so both horses were attended within seconds and in those situations of acute collapse there are some drugs we can administer but if it is a true cardio-vascular collapse, not a lot can be done.
"It's a high-intensity racing situation. We have similar when marathon runners run or long-distance races are run - there is always a concern that athletes at a high level of exertion can without any previous symptoms present this situation.
"It's a huge coincidence that it happened twice in the same race.
"All horses are thoroughly checked at home before they leave to go to the races, they are monitored carefully when they arrive at the races and trainers and connections love them to bits - no horse would go to the races with any prior knowledge of a situation like this.
"It is one of those sudden things that can strike."
Well if the dumb RP is going to splash it on their front page on its web site then other news media will pick it up.
Richard Farquhar
@RCFarquhar
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What on earth is
@itvnews
doing showing a replay of a horse having a heart attack mid race?
What purpose does that serve?
Shocking editorial decision.
I'd say it what's you do if you're trying to turn public opinion against racing. It's all one big psy-op with these fockers.
@RCFarquhar
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53m
What on earth is
@itvnews
doing showing a replay of a horse having a heart attack mid race?
What purpose does that serve?
Shocking editorial decision.
I'd say it what's you do if you're trying to turn public opinion against racing. It's all one big psy-op with these fockers.
Seems rather cannibalistic when it's their channel offering the damned coverage!
1st time poster most of the shoite in UK is utterly countless proportions in light of these all weather 9 race cards with 7 h'caps and 1 occasion 8 h'caps out of 9.
All **** lower grade
All **** lower grade
The beeb news bothered to include any horse racing coverage, to report the deaths too - they barely bother with any racing other than that.
Ironically though, still the Grand National channel for coverage
Ironically though, still the Grand National channel for coverage
Seems rather cannibalistic when it's their channel offering the damned coverage!
Yes, you have to wonder how the ITV racing team are reacting to seeing their own channel's news team covering this.
Yes, you have to wonder how the ITV racing team are reacting to seeing their own channel's news team covering this.
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All this will be fuel for the animal rights nutters and they won't differentiate between jumps and flat racing.
This is why you have to support jumps racing, even if your sole interest is Flat racing. If you concede the point that the death of a horse is enough to condemn a sport, then you're condemning Flat racing at the same time.
I was at Salisbury on the evening of 24 July, when the 8yo Atty's Edge collapsed and died of a heart attack as he crossed the line at the end of a 5f sprint. Gina Mangan was in tears. But the point is that it does happen, even in sprints. You HAVE to support jumps racing, because, if you don't, you will lose Flat racing at the same time and for the same reason. Both sports suffer fatalities. We have to carry on arguing passionately that horse racing, whatever the code, is a sport and a way of life glorious enough both for us and for the animals involved that it justifies the burden of those those fatalities.
As things stand, Flat racing is being protected by attention being focused on the jumps. Don't lose that protection.
All this will be fuel for the animal rights nutters and they won't differentiate between jumps and flat racing.
This is why you have to support jumps racing, even if your sole interest is Flat racing. If you concede the point that the death of a horse is enough to condemn a sport, then you're condemning Flat racing at the same time.
I was at Salisbury on the evening of 24 July, when the 8yo Atty's Edge collapsed and died of a heart attack as he crossed the line at the end of a 5f sprint. Gina Mangan was in tears. But the point is that it does happen, even in sprints. You HAVE to support jumps racing, because, if you don't, you will lose Flat racing at the same time and for the same reason. Both sports suffer fatalities. We have to carry on arguing passionately that horse racing, whatever the code, is a sport and a way of life glorious enough both for us and for the animals involved that it justifies the burden of those those fatalities.
As things stand, Flat racing is being protected by attention being focused on the jumps. Don't lose that protection.
Personally I'm far more interested in the flat, but it would be hard to imagine UK horse-racing prospering if you took away Cheltenham and the Grand National.
obviously upsetting when this happens but race horses are solely bred to race so without racing the breed would become extinct
Most of these horses are treated better than a lot of kids in this country and racing needs to do more to publicise this to the general public although I would guess most of the general public are pretty ambivalent to racing
you cant have risk free racing - you can only try and minimise it which racing has tried to do without ruining the spectacle
Thats why I have no issue with the strict checks for the Melbourne Cup as the Australians know best the sensitivities around the race in their own country
You cant appease a group who believe that people shouldnt have pets and would ban the use of guide dogs.
Most of these horses are treated better than a lot of kids in this country and racing needs to do more to publicise this to the general public although I would guess most of the general public are pretty ambivalent to racing
you cant have risk free racing - you can only try and minimise it which racing has tried to do without ruining the spectacle
Thats why I have no issue with the strict checks for the Melbourne Cup as the Australians know best the sensitivities around the race in their own country
You cant appease a group who believe that people shouldnt have pets and would ban the use of guide dogs.
Elliott,shark,Martin,Quinn,mcnally,zahoumi,the 3 day eventer, etc towards the top of the game you've bought in to ed chamberlain/oily bell on steriods if you think horses lower down the food chain are treated better than your kids
you obviously dont know anyone who works in childrens social care
some of the cases you name are from years back. You quote the shark case of him transporting a dead horse when the tarpaulin accidently blew off during the transport. How is this deliberate mistreatment of a horse
Yes not every race horse is treated well but compared to other animals they dont do too bad
Perhaps we should ban people keeping pets bercuase some people mistreat them
some of the cases you name are from years back. You quote the shark case of him transporting a dead horse when the tarpaulin accidently blew off during the transport. How is this deliberate mistreatment of a horse
Yes not every race horse is treated well but compared to other animals they dont do too bad
Perhaps we should ban people keeping pets bercuase some people mistreat them
Perhaps we sould look at the breeding.
A huge number of NH horses now come from Sadlers Wells male lines and a lot of them including Abuffalosoldier are inbred to him. They might be able to be trained to jump but I'm convinced that whilst Northern Dancer brought speed to the table he also brought physical deficiencies.
A huge number of NH horses now come from Sadlers Wells male lines and a lot of them including Abuffalosoldier are inbred to him. They might be able to be trained to jump but I'm convinced that whilst Northern Dancer brought speed to the table he also brought physical deficiencies.
Maybe SS,it’s just that fewer and fewer horses who are nowadays chasing/hurdling are not as “stoutly-bred” as in previous generations of NH horses.
equine deaths in horse racing has fallen over the years hasnt it so the point about breeding isnt a significant factor
Changes to race conditions and courses have more of an impact
2 heart related deaths in the same race is a freak occurrence which I doubt will be repeated again. Has it ever happened before?
Changes to race conditions and courses have more of an impact
2 heart related deaths in the same race is a freak occurrence which I doubt will be repeated again. Has it ever happened before?
chelt fences as soft as everywhere else these days,but we still have MSM,jocks,connections etc bedwetting about winning a race at showcase meeting and some races this weekend as though their were the gold cup,national and derby roll in to one, maybe to many low grade horse are been asked to do things out of their comfort zone in pursuit of that now holy grail chelt win,MSM etc banging on about the crowd etc on Sunday on tv they looked like more staff their than punters stands were empty
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