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R.IP.
nice fella
R.IP.
nice fella
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Kauto even
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Did you know him personally ?
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I remember him balding with glasses ?? Seemed a nice enough guy in interviews back in the day.
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Don't think he was balding, had snowy hair as i recall, RIP also owned Mastermind didn't he?
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Pumpkinhead and Elsworth weren't fans.
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Used to play at his golf course
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I remember after Kauto Star won the £1 million bonus at Cheltenham CS came in the Betfair hospitality box and let everyone have their pic taken with the Gold Cup. Made a lot of peoples day. He came across as a decent bloke, didn't seem up his own harris.
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Once in a lifetime
Made his |
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Played golf with him a few times. Nice man and very down to earth.
Told me story why he fell out with Pumpkin. Really shocking greed. RIP to great gentleman. |
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Sad News,them were the Days.
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I think i got my wires crossed....Apologies.
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It's been a long Day.
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The Queen,Hen,Terry,Jim and Jim......
RIP Clive. |
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Aye posted wrong pic.
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Wasn't the row to do with what was going to happen to KS after his retirement?
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No, nothing to do with that.
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It was Bin Bagged.
All a bit ridiculous |
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Give us a clue Hibore.
The story they put out was what Bin Bagged said about KS |
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It was about how a horse cost before and after it left France. I’ll leave it at that.
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Was Fat Dan involved
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Or TM
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Thanks Hibore/ makes sense
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It may be totally apocryphal but the story was that Clive and Anthony Bromley (dead ringer for Viz character Student Grant) went to France to buy Garde Champetre.
Only they got gazumped by Frank Berry & JP. So they ended up with Kauto. One horse won umpteen G1s inc 2 Gold Cups. The other won the X-Country. One is minded when Barcelona were in for Beckham but got Ronaldinho instead... |
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No, that story is not quite correct the latarps.
I dont think it is from memory, but you can check it easily enough. Garde champetre was sold for fortunes at the time through the ring at I think Donny , but you need an RP sub to check sales. From memory GC cost something like 360 but might have been 400k even, I just remember it was a lot at the time. Sorry I can't remember more.. |
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I don't have an rp sub so can't check sales info to see if my memory is correct but your story is definitely just a "story" and not correct as GC was racing in france in 2003 and started in uk 03, and Kauto was racing in france until mid 04
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And I know GC went through the ring and Kauto definitely didn't, he was a private purchase.
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I stand corrected,
nice story tho. |
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The most famous chaser since Arkle left his box in Ditcheat after eight years amid tears and scenes of great emotion.
Owner Clive Smith and trainer Paul Nicholls effectively ended a partnership that had spanned nearly a decade when the five-time King George winner and twice Cheltenham Gold Cup hero walked through the stable gate and boarded a horse box bound for a new career in the dressage arena. Relations between Smith and Nicholls had been strained for some time, but matters came to a head when the owner announced plans for Kauto Star’s post-racing career at a press conference promoting Kempton’s King George VI Chase in London on Monday, without apparently warning the trainer Nicholls interpreted this as the last straw and their relationship, which had also enjoyed outstanding success with the champion two-mile chaser Master Minded, was finally rendered irreparable. In a statement, made through his sponsor Betfair, Nicholls said: “It is with great sadness that I have to report that Kauto Star has left the yard for the last time.” “It has been no secret that Kauto’s future has been a great source of debate since we announced his retirement. “And, to be brutally honest, this morning I felt the time had finally come for me to take control of the situation, and to start making the decisions. “Now, I am fully aware that Kauto is Clive’s horse and he can do as he wishes, even though I would personally have loved Clifford [Baker] to have looked after him for the rest of his years. “But what upset me and my team here is when Clive announced that he had spoken to experts about the horse’s future – but failed to consult and listen properly to the team that had looked after him here for the past nine years. That really upset us. “So we had a team meeting here this morning. And after listening to everybody involved I rang up Clive, said I don’t want to fall out, but we think it is in the best interests of everybody concerned to take Kauto to Yogi Breisner’s this afternoon so that he could start his new career in the dressage field as soon as possible. |
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27May04
Doncaster May 709 Property of Million In Mind Partnership from Manor Farm Stables Timmy Hyde 530,000 GBG Garde Champetre |
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Relations had been strained for some time…that is the key statement. Nothing to do with Kauto or MasterMinded. It was the next horse he was buying with Pumpkin that caused the problem.
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Thanks Mr c. I knew it was a lot
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Kauto Stone?
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My lasting memory of Kauto Star was not on the racecourse but in his box at Ditcheat. The day after one of his King George wins, I was there with a group of owners to see a horse we had just bought called So Now. I walked into the main yard and Kauto Star was the first head to come over his door and the alert clear eyed, eager expression was of a horse that wanted to run today, not one that had just won a Grade 1 race.
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Ribeiro, yes.
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Reservations about both Clive and Paul, marmite figures each, but would love to know what Ruby really thinks.
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I didn't know him but used to see him occasionally at local point to points so he must have been a true lover of jumps racing.
Not all about the "glitz" of a top meeting. He liked to get out there in the cold and the wet and go and see the horses racing at local pts when he didn't even have any runners. Makes him ok in my book. |
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Ruby could have gone anywhere but he rode for Paul Nicholls for many years. Yes he was also loyal to Willie Mullins but he is Irish after all. The success of the Skeltons, Harry Derham, Harry Fry, Joe Tizzard to name a few of those who have worked at Ditcheat is a tribute to the culture there. As for pointing, that was also part of the Ditcheat culture with Paul and Richard Barber often starting young horses in point to points and they all turned up at places like Didmarton to watch their young horses race.
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"I don't want to fall out" but, lol.
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I thought there was something linking mr Smith, Kauto & Garde Champetre. Just not in France....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/16258179 Clive Smith (a Surrey-based golf course entrepreneur) gives an insight into what it means to be associated with the French-bred horse, the highs and lows, and how he nearly missed out on buying him. BUYING THE HORSE "I bought Kauto Star after being outbid for another horse, Garde Champetre, by JP McManus [jump racing's biggest owner]. "Who knows, he might have stayed in France? One or two people looked at him and just didn't go for him - they thought he was too expensive. "I just missed out on buying Garde Champetre, and was in the frame of mind to be buying horses. I certainly liked the look of Kauto straight away on the tape. He was spring-heeled and had a drive to finish a race off. He went through the field like a knife through butter and I thought he was the one to buy. In the end, Garde Champetre went for about £530,000 and Kauto sold for 400,000 euros, which was about £280,000 at the time." |