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Copy and paste on phone is hardly work on something this Length..great read though.
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Thanks Aberdonia. That was indeed a great read about a remarkable man.
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What a brilliant read aberdonia, very much enjoyed.
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Fabulous tks vm
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What? ^^^^^^
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Thanks very much.
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Nice to see the uncle get a mention. He rarely gets referenced in the Pipe story, but rode 16 winners, and trained for 7 years. John Francome rode a few winners for him.
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What a spoiler Golden Freeze was, was still in contention when being pulled up. It was job done and let's get out of here.
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Good stuff
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I don't think Jenny cared for Martin too much.
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aberdonia is fast becoming one of the more interesting posters on here,i know posts have been made for many years,but lately its noticable how sensible polite and what is an enjoyable read posted on this forum.
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Not that I’m one to blow my own trumpet.
I beat Chester Barnes at table tennis,camber sands holiday park,in the 70s,I was 10-12 years old. This was all pre his pipe involvement. Got a photo somewhere in the loft. I knew he was shrewd,cos he asked,what do you fancy on Saturday mate. I said,phone the phone line,think that’s what give him the idea. |
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Very clever trainer and pushed the rules to the limit. I remember a race at Exeter when a horse I owned a 25% share in called Jefferies was fancied in a 2.4 mile hurdle and Pipe had Dominions Dream in there ridden by a 7lb claimer. The first time the starter called them in, Dominions Dream was 5 lengths ahead of the rest and at full gallop as they crossed the start but the starter called them back. Second time the same thing happened and the starter let it go. DD was 12 lengths clear by the time they had gone 100 yards and beat us 2 lengths. That was the sort of thing they were doing all the time in 1990s and they got away with murder.
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Great article, I read it this morning. Re Make a Stand, I wonder what Pipe's response would have been if Peter Deal had said I'll buy it back for the full price. I wonder how many of those £4k share letters actually got posted. Next time I see Rod Millman, going to ask him about Carrie Ann - I can just see Chester saying incredulously, "They haven't changed the price"
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His son, Lester...wonder why Chester named him that, is a youtube golfer....
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https://youtu.be/uuxUb-s9Zfo?si=Fdf7aJf0DD3T1YRi
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Who can ever forget Corporal Clinger. An old favourite of mine.
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My abiding memory of Martin Pipe, is novice hurdlers being 25 lengths clear very quickly under Scu and coming home unchallenged.....layers would be losing fortunes if he was starting now, before the lesson was learnt...
I was a big fan of Pridwell...Did me many a fine turn. |
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just remembered another favourite, High Knowle. Hopefully ive spelt it right.
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It works both ways, sageform. Back in 1989 the Wonnacotts had a lunatic hurdler called Sakr, trained by Mrs J Wonnacott and ridden by Derek Wonnacoot.
The problem was the horse had only two gears: handbrake-on and turbo. Time and again it refused to line up, until Derek Wonnacott seemed to realize that the key was to charge the horse at the tapes with the choke out, and basically dare the starter not to release the tapes. This meant the horse used to nick literally half a furlong at the start sometimes, including one afternoon at Newton Abbot, where the Pipe/Scu combination had apparently been planning much the same manoeuvre themselves with a horse called Crofter's Nest, which was having its first run for MC Pipe. Cue much complaining and arm-waving from Pipe and Scu in the unsaddling enclosure afterwards, with Sakr having basically maintained the half-furlong advantage for the whole race. https://www.racingpost.com/results/39/newton-abbot/1989-09-08/31109 |
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screaming, you live by the sword..... I am full of admiration for what Martin Pipe achieved but don't assume that it was all done in a "gentlemanly" way. Scu was of course a huge part of it as was David Bridgwater for a briefer period and then the matchless McCoy. Scu was a very matter of fact jockey who was not the best stylist but used his brain. He managed to get Meister, my first decent horse, to win a chase at Worcester but just when the 6 owners involved were expecting him to be smiling broadly, he was frowning as he dismounted and told us that it was never going to make a chaser as it couldn't jump. He did manage to get him round to be second at Hexham but then for whatever reason we switched to Simon Sherwood who managed to win 3 more chases on the horse. Simon was totally fearless and a worthy champion.
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Screaming, that 6/5 fav beaten 93 lengths after chasing Sakr to the sixth.
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It was an official 28.5 lengths, sparrow (have another look). But in reality it was indeed closer to 93 lengths (official distances were a bit of a guess in those days).
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Yes screaming, I mistakenly added all the figures together.
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We've all done it, sparrow. I've never got used to cumulative distances in the form book.
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There will never be another to match or get near Pipes achievements……(punting)….
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![]() Pipe had another go, got beat again. |
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Got within 3 lengths next time..Sakr was a bit of a win machine for all it's kinks.
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Sageform: I've had a look at my betting records for that race at Exeter where your horse Jefferies was 6/5 fav. You'll be no doubt delighted to know I had £1,000 to £60 as a saver on the winner, just in case a Pipe horse went and did something like that.
Mind you, I only won £315 on the race, as I backed six horses in total against Jefferies! I must have thought 6/5 about a J A B Old favourite was a terrible price. I got my comeuppance a couple of months later though, when your horse won at Taunton. I ended up having £309 on the Bill Turner-trained third in that race, as I kept following the price out, plus a hundred tenners on the Bridgwater-ridden rag (pulled up). So, at the end of it, taking on your horse left me £4 in the red. It's never been an easy game, this punting lark. |
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And amusingly, when Pipe's did beat Sakr, another one of Wonnacott's did them both.
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Is the jockey Millie Wonnacott from the same family?
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Sakr had been with Dick Hern (I think) as a youngster. Before the move to the Wonnacotts it went to Paddy Butler, who, in an interview with the Weekender, told the world that this was the horse which would finally put him on the map.
It didn't. |
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Sparrow, we took a look at that question a few years ago:
https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31609341/millie?liveView=0 |
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sparrow 09 Oct 24 12:01
Thanks screaming for the link, trouble was when I looked it up the name David was mentioned as her father which led me to wonder if he was an uncle or similar. |
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that's how exchanges have changed the game
NOT MANY WOULD CHASE A PRICE OUT today,they,d decide someone new something they didn't |
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screaming, which one of Jefferies 4 wins at Taunton was that? He ran there once per season, novice hurdle, handicap hurdle, novice chase and handicap chase and won every time. His only other win was a handicap hurdle at Towcester. He had a few seconds (including last of two finishers at Ascot which was a bigger prize than any of the wins) and tended to pull himself up in front. I read what you say about Jim Old but he was a costly man to take on in his pomp. Nigel Dempster had a horse with Jim called My Purple Prose and he rashly had a bet that it would win 5 races in a season. Jim delivered the bet. Martin Pipe and McCoy beat us again at Leicester with Ask The Butler.
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Reading it again it was the handicap hurdle when Bill Turner trained the third Fawley Flyer for David Chown who I happened to know quite well.
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screaming - Sakr was with Neville Callaghan as a 2yo. Had all duck eggs against his name for him. Reappeared at Brighton as a 3yo for Butler (same owner). Seemed to be a NR quite often for him.
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