who wins the arc?

Same here,that’s sure to jinx the horse

al riffa is the sure 100% horse to be placed first 4 so win and place for me,

Shin Emperor. 

Delius win and four places, looks way overpriced to me at 21 on here, finished 3rd to Sosie in the Grand Prix de Paris in July finishing like a train (fastest last furlong), got a little closer to the same horse in the Prix Neil after a break without being asked a serious question, today could be the day.

its wide open just 7 pound between the top and bottom rated ,luck and  who gets a clear run will prob play a big part .

The supplemented Bluestocking has thrived this year and while I would have preferred more rain over recent days
she must still have a big chance, good draw and should be able sit just off the pace with no traffic worries (it could get messy)

12/1 on here with an excellent chance of at least finishing in the first five (2.04) and even carrying those
Dancing Brave colours to victory...

gl chaps

Sosie for me.

Anyone else in Longchamp?
Great value,  gardens 25 euro.... great set up , plenty  of food beers n champagne.
Just shame weather not as good as yesterday.

Al riffa E W n look de vega my two.
Nap kineros

Bluestocking won the fastest trial on trials day,so your on the right race if the winner comes from trials day,which it tends to do.

arc winner rarely comes from verm only 6 winners in total,group 1 in its own right so usually has the fastest time or you could/maybe should say hardest race

Weak race this year we ve been told.

Opening up a fresh strip of ground to the benefit of already favourably drawn horses is the angle in, if one exists.

Drawn 1-7 and close to the pace?

some stats are good others bad, its the nature of stats generally

fillies have an excellent record in Arc 9 out of the last 16 winners
somebody fancies her was 13.00 now into 10.00 means nothing of course
but its not a drifter which would be more a concern

Shin Emperor, impressed at Leopardstown behind Economics and August Rodin over 10f, full brother to Sottsass from a family that go well on soft ground, what's not to like, got 15/2 EW 1st 4.

that should have been recent record in Arc

SUNWAY was 66,s Mon drawn in the car park now 16,s/20.s go figure

Been looking into this... I'm put off by the huge Drift of Look De Vega.. Was drawn towards Al Riffa ew looks good...

Oct 6, 2024 -- 12:06PM, 1st time poster wrote:

SUNWAY was 66,s Mon drawn in the car park now 16,s/20.s go figure

Back to 60 as I write...

Liking the look of Bedtime Story (for some reason) in the first and Ramatuelle In the 4:40... Good luck people.. I going 3 up

Think you’ll need a viagra to get any of them up

Sticking with Mqse De Sevinge.

She’s been on a terrific run winning G1s over a mile, 9f and 10f with her only defeat being on firm ground vs Inspiral.

Fabre has said two things all throughout this year - she’s going for the Arc and he expects her to improve for the step up to 12f so here we are.

She’s a deep closer so the draw isn’t an issue.

And savers on Bluestocking whose done nothing wrong this year and has a great draw and Survie…I thought her Arc dream was over after last time but Clement says he putting a line straight through that run. So what we have is a filly that only just got touched off the oaks and has a traditional French prep for this race.

The French races,and the arc always seem to be fast at the Finnish.
I know that’s their style.

Got to back one that has a turn of foot.
Hence why Aiden hasn’t got a good record,his tend to dominate.

Watching last few runs looking for fast finishers might be best policy to find the winner.hence why fillies have good record,a bit faster on their feet

I see city of troys dirt bid is now been shown on itv network 2 hr show from del mar

Wrong 5k read mate

Thread apologies

bet victor guy looks 11

done most of my bets on this ante post at big prices  around 3 months ago, but its an open race and i fancy another at big odds , just 7 pound between the lot of em ,obviously loads with chances but one i like at big odds is zarakem who is rated 119 just a pound below al riffa and los angeles the top rated at 120 .he seems to run a good race then a bad run next time but he has plenty of ability as a very good 2nd to auguste rodin in the princess of wales at royal ascot shows he can mix it at the top level .
the step up to 12f could bring about plenty of improvement yard in good nick and no stranger to big race success goliath winning the king george in an open race i have had a pop ew 4 places around 66/1 and bigger on here .good luck keep them opinions coming .
selection zarakam 66/1 bog ew bigger on here .

Good luck, Foyles...I actually remembered to look for your thoughts

Longchamp a ploughed field by the looks of it after two races. Sevenna's Knight seems to have little chance at the distance but will be suited by the ground, so will do for me at 66/1.

thanks and good luck tatt

continuous at 25,s ew 1st 5 pour moi , and Delius 18,s ew 1st 5 before attempting an obscure double  the ARC/CHAMPION CHASE

Good luck stormy...you can back at 66 (B356) and lay at 55.00 on here at the moment.

Survie unexposed, getting all the allowances, just nutted in a G1 in front on none other than Tamfana. Tom Marquand on a 160 shot in a group 1. Has a look of a race that anything could happen so a few shekels for fun.

Buick on a 100+ shot as well!

Sunway has a terrible draw but that may not be a major hindrance as he is likely to be dropped in. Ran really well in the Leger despite a pathetic ride by jockey who gave him far too much to do. Thought he was on Pegasus. Going is fine. Softer the better. Has good stamina which may come into play on rain softened ground.

Lightly raced improving three-year-olds usually do well in this race and booking of Oisin a big big plus.

40/1 (ew) 1-2-3-4 with bookies in general

50/1 on here for a win

and 3/1 a Place on here first 5 looks a sporting wager for an interest.

Sixpence ew for I.

The spread of RPR rating here is just 126 to 132 so just one check in running could cost a horse 6lb which confirms that it really could be won by which ever gets the cleanest run through. I have added a £1 bet on Mqse de Sevigne to Bluestocking ante post.

I have Sosie @ 20/1 so my view is somewhat bias. Today I have added Continuous , which is far too big for a horse that has been aimed at the race, stays, and came 5th last year. Also a small saver on Bluestocking, who has raced on  ground  with soft in the description with the following stats ....   3 - 3 - 6.

i liked mqse ds but draw puts me off, left with look de vega and sosie

I have a feeling, elise, with ground this bad, the draw may make less of a difference. We shall see. They are coming wide into the straight and the outside on the back straight can't be worse ground surely.

good luck all

well done ralph

go rossa baby

Get in Rossa

Well done mate,you got it right.

WD NEC, CUTH and ELG - nice pick!

not bad that prix verm form might give it a look next yr

BS for me

Oct 6, 2024 -- 11:39AM, N-east Correspondent wrote:

The supplemented Bluestocking has thrived this year and while I would have preferred more rain over recent daysshe must still have a big chance, good draw and should be able sit just off the pace with no traffic worries (it could get messy)12/1 on here with an excellent chance of at least finishing in the first five (2.04) and even carrying thoseDancing Brave colours to victory...gl chaps

Great shout NC

aye wd winners

well done winners ,penzance

pieces, rossa, inside trap draw & soft ground easy game innit

Bluestocking drawn 3 wins well but Mqse drawn 16 got taken out. That is the Arc in a nutshell. the draw is all important when they are so closely matched.

fair play, Rossa was mad bullish on Bluestocking. Very rare you get a jockey so confident pre race.

Al Riffa and Shin Emperor never really in it

kitchen taps are a million on soft ground

look de vega never sighted

The in running boys were on the ball as well. Bluestocking had already dropped from 12 to 7 today but was below 5 after 10 strides from the stalls when she dropped into second.

Yes, well done all the winners and hope Storm Alert grabbed a bit of the 5 places on here.

Well done winners

The winning owner gets nearly £2.5m. What does Rossa Eyan get?

Not sure in France but in GB the winning jockey gets around 8%. And in very big races an owner may give more such as a share in the horse but that is usually for stallions.

Cheers 'sageform'. 8% is still a stonking £200k = 1/2 a house in most places in the UK. But, Rossa Ryan deserves it. He kept it simple using Moore as a hare.

was at the football (Dons won again) so missed Arc but saw result and finish on sportinglife at HT

a pleasing afternoon overall - nice when you envisage a race and it plays out almost perfectly
got the price, got the draw/position and of course the win, really pleased for Beckett after coming close last year

- well done the other winners

amiss of me to not thank the forumites who said well done

big heads up to sportinlife who had multiple pundits and french correspondent spending 24 hrs Fri/sat telling us to ignore Paris turtrack and look out for record time on sat,ground might be gd to firm by Sunday blah blah,think that's why the winner was available around 10/12,s after decs ,still 10,s sat evening
well done backers one that got away for me

Congrats to winners but I am personally devastated and will never get over it.  Haya Zark was my Frankel, Sea The Stars, Dancing Brave, whatever they meant to anyone else.  I followed his career from day one, his ebullient owner Mrs Odette Fau, a Paris restaurateur and owner breeder, something on the lines of a perhaps less rich Kirsten Rausing, she even looks a bit like her to be honest, and his young up and coming trainer Adrien Fouassier, who it seems took a while to figure out he needed soft ground, which with the late rain, pushed the penetrometer up to 3.8 which was perfect, and I thought Buick had him expertly placed and in contention for an e.w. finish until tragedy occurred.
I do think he would have finished in front of Sosie.

I'd love to watch a replay but I can't and never will.  Yes an unconsidered outsider, easily dismissed, and typically, his death barely reported in the racing media.
He was due to go to stud, Mrs Fau had turned down over 20 offers for him.

I loved the colt and I looked forward all year to this race.

Best of luck next year !..

Condolences,Smoky ,must be devastating for any owner to witness that happen.