This is EXACTLY one of the things that is wrong with racing and so easily sorted.

Murderers serve less than 7 Years.

I know Acey and that's whats wrong with this country.

It's like feral Lynch and Betfair Eddie getting their licenses back. Would you ever trust either of them 100% not to do the same again ? Noooo.

They are rotten apples and if you have a rotten apples it will slowly infect the rest of the barrel unless you throw it out.

I am all for giving people second chances oneten.

The gambling commission is still investigating people who put £100 on an election date, but ignores this and the many other examples of cheating.

Racing is bent by default. Owners , trainers and worst of all jockeys. That is because like everything else now a days , it is just a business and anyone involved in business is trying to make money.
The biggest downfall of horse racing is now the betting exchanges , an easy trouble free licence for all involved with the trainers, owners and riders able to make whatever money they want. It doesnt pay for trainers to be honest with horses , especially in the lower grades.

I am too Acey, but for minor infringements . If a jockey is caught backing his mount or the passing of information etc. Or banned under the totting up procedure, or dope tested all fine to have a second or third chance as they are minor misdemeanours that don't undermine the very fabric of the sport.

But owners threatening and instructing trainers and jockeys to lose and bent jockeys losing races to order undermine the whole lifeblood of the sport and shouldn't be welcomed back.
Lifetime ban only way to go to act as a deterrent .

Same with athletics and 100mts sprinters - would you want to run against them after they've served a ban for drugs or would you feel cheated if you lost to them ?

Sorry but I believe some things dont deserve 2nd chances if they threaten the very integrity of the sport.

It's very interesting to hear other opinions.

Agree with oneten for this kind of offence.

Any owner threatening a jockey and/or a trainer to lose any race should be warned off indefinitely regardless. There should be no half-measure for a behaviour of this kind. As in this case the individuals are bad for racing entirely with no mitigation.

No loss to horseracing UK sadly for 7-years only. The punishment is extremely lenient for their behaviours.

acey deucy 12 Sep 24 14:37 
Murderers serve less than 7 Years.


name 1

I was thinkink Manslaughter tbh.

Betfair,s USP was it was the purist form of betting,betting your opinion against a fellow punter, that falls away when you could be betting against connections provy to inside info you arnt
defenders of Betfair say that's always been the case,but Betfair wasn't sold to people saying that was always the case,although possible how many connections/stable hands etc worked out the maths  and went around the ring /betting shops betting every other horse in the race to win ?

To threaten a jockey and/or a trainer to lose a race in horseracing is equivalent to 1st degree murder. This crime could carry the death penalty in some countries.

My Mother threatened to kill me plenty times.

God Rest Her Soul.

'acey', that was "motherly love" for you.

Yes but just because somebody threatens to kill you does not necessarily mean they will kill you if you get ma drift.

Oh yes 'acey', if for money. 7-years is too lenient.

Not exactly like being sent to prison this either - so life it should be.

Fraud in this game should be a zero tolerance approach, we could only hope anyway...

The biggest downfall of horse racing is now the betting exchanges

Untrue. Anyone following the game in the 80s or thereabouts will know it was much worse.
One event from that time that sticks in my mind is a high profile race at a major meeting where both the market leaders failed to make it beyond halfway.
There has never been greater transparency in price movement than on the exchanges.

Is Roston Barney any relative of the "character" Tony Barney whose horses run under Countrywide Park homes? Looks like todays 2 are also in the park homes business.

Ironically the horse is entered up on Monday at Laytown

Sep 12, 2024 -- 2:52PM, acey deucy wrote:

I am all for giving people second chances oneten.

Unless your name is Mason Greenwood

Doorman you are correct. Large family of pikeys and if you received a death threat from them you would take it seriously. That is why Spiller has relocated to Ireland

Lifetime ban simples.
Shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the sport if integrity is paramount and to act as a warning to others.
Scum like that pair can easily ruin the livelihoods and ambitions of young jockeys trying to carve a career out of a sport that's dying on its aris.

What kind of message does it send out across the sporting fraternity and across the world?

disgraceful leniency shown to sh4tbags IMO

What do you expect, ( Pie Keys )

Did a double take at one of the names though - surely not another case accusing Royston Cropper, the poor guy has to get his cafe run!

Mrcombustable, that is absolutely awful, hope Spiller can make a go of it out there but should never ever be forced out there by these scum. Always wonder about Nicky Henderson having to come down to Tony Barney's level when his horses run. Seem to remember a report about him gobbing off when paying big bucks for something at the sales.

A few years ago Nicky would only train for blue blood owners now he is reduced to Park Home owners.

I believe Spiller is working at Gordon Elliott's

Dear me, not even training then.

Bit ironic that, .... gone to Ireland to escape pie keys.!

Now surely you did't expect them to go home to Scotland did you Glasgow...

Going back to the opening thread, how could Havlin and Chancellor find the stall open and then get withdrawn? Something terribly wrong with the BHA governance of our sport.

I think the horse burst the stall open. This is a no-no here. As such, the only option is to withdraw the horse, and settle as a non-runner.

First job, redesign the stalls. They should not open if a horse just gives them a push.