The 1 sec bet delay in running..

ring hulk.

strange how when im trying to lay big prices in the last 3f the money in the boxes vanishes instantly when i click..yet it takes the bet 1 sec to hit their cistern?

i hope it isnt surreptitious. (missed a bit)

old news Mr.Hunt...

the 1 sec in running delay has been spoken about for many many years on here...

i've seen bets with my own eyes going in well under 1 sec...

as have others...

Betfair can say what they want that it can't happen...

my eyes don't lie.

thats knott watt im querying.

Supercomputers are mainframe computers that can perform quadrillions to quintillions of calculations per second. Betfair almost certainly have one(and maybe a few prying eyes too)

if it takes 1 sec for a bet to hit the cistern..how dus the £ in the boxes vanish the instant i click?

place yer bets with swifty's account. 


fairly sure padi's not too bothered about him.

have you ever thought that when you hit the pink it triggers a 'cancel quick' marker ?

just saying like.

swifty winning mare than me..they shud be bothered.

eye nah the answer hibs..hime jussed being factious.

everything about in running is totally above board Mr.Hunt...

we all know that.

rico, do you know how to see the breakdown of the matched bet, used to be available when you clicked selection next to bet average odds?

i no a shrewdie who puts bets in the cistern on the off and cancels the ones he doesnt like as the race goes on as cancelling is not slowed by the one second delay

it works for him and the upshot is he loses a lot less than i do

mitolo , that's been the gripe forever, but this is about cancelling in that 1 second slot, how do 'they' know whoever they are?!

ask Betfair next time they do a Q+A session swifty...

that's the ones they promised every 6 months i think...

when was the last one ?

can see the breakdown under consolidated on the BF interface but have to be quick as the shysters remove it in seconds

Ok cheers, need to be quick then, clearly they don't like you to see the bet was struck in a million pieces

995 of 1000 bets i get are under 20p.

they simply make sure they spread it to your max for their best execution..

with over-ride our hands are tied unless you risk ending up with nowt.

Aug 6, 2024 -- 5:17PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:

if it takes 1 sec for a bet to hit the cistern..how dus the £ in the boxes vanish the instant i click?

If you're open to logical non-conspiracy theories then here's one. Perhaps the people with the money up see the same thing you do and so are hitting cancel as you hit lay.

every single time? come on jamee!

Is it really 'every single time', or just 'often'?

All the pros are watching the same pics and have shaved every ms they can off of latency and reaction time. I bet the proportion of people playing an 'offer and cancel' strategy has increased markedly in the last couple of years. You said above that you know someone yourself?

Oh sorry, that was a post from Mitolo, not you.

jamee froysdc..your naivity is beyong staggering.

jamee still wet behind his lugs..

You've said the same before. If you really think Betfair is crooked then why do you still play?

pmsl

Go and play with the other conspiracy loons. There's plenty to choose from on this forum.

pmsl

place is run by a bookie with s0d all regulation.  what ya think james ??

think ive jussed lagged myself at your comments jamee.

your naivety is beyong staggerind

there will be plenty of fill or kill players that want the bet accepted virtually instantly ie by another order placed at the same time ie a straightforward difference of opinion at a point of time. These bets all vanish if they aren't matched.

Was going on ere

R u all pros

only hulk

Kud uall lend me some kings coupons

dave, do 0 second fill or killers layers bets even show?

.1 sec might/might not. The point is there are plenty of bots/near bots that simply aren't going to leave money up to be scooped when it is value. They want it taken when there is a lot of uncertainty about the outcome. ie true value is 4 they want there bets in at 3.5 lay 4.5 back and then gone if not taken.

jamee1

Go and play with the other conspiracy loons. There's plenty to choose from on this forum.

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are those the folk who have seen bets going in (from a standing start) in way way under 1 sec jamee ?

me being one of them btw.

hulk23

place is run by a bookie with s0d all regulation.  what ya think james ??

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exactly.

The only relevant question anyway is why the 1 sec delay is still in operation. It isn't protecting anyone from slow pictures and it just annoys casual punters who want to click and get on.

it's obvious why it's there dave...

come on kid.

it's a question for betfair not you and afaik they haven't answered it.

Aug 6, 2024 -- 6:52PM, dave1357 wrote:

The only relevant question anyway is why the 1 sec delay is still in operation. It isn't protecting anyone from slow pictures and it just annoys casual punters who want to click and get on.

The delay drives liquidity by creating an advantage to those putting money up. A market needs market makers to function.

the mug money wants to click and play, market makers should find a way of accomodating them not fleecing them in the quickest time possible.

jamee that's what betfair say, any evidence? how many people see 10 and get matched at 5 and think sod this? layers may offer lesser odds but market forces would dictate the price if the layer wants the business

Betfair actually once said the 1 sec delay was there so their x-matching BOT could function properly...

it's obvious why it's there dave...

come on kid.

person (rico) see horse A trading at 80..rico clicks £5 @1000..money in pink all instantly vanishes..

office manager in BF towers with a megaphone shouts...
rico's offering 1000
robot sez whats it trading..
office manager shouts its current 80
robot sez..give him 1p - 17p every price and the balance at 1000.

and daves asking why the delay is there.

The in-running market definitely functions differently from what it has done in the past. I have reduced the size of my bets by about a factor of 10 due to a lack of trust in it.

and daves asking why the delay is there

dave1357 • August 6, 2024 6:58 PM BST
it's a question for betfair not you and afaik they haven't answered it.

doest anyone on this planet tell the truth?  me apart.

Aug 6, 2024 -- 6:16PM, hulk23 wrote:

place is run by a bookie with s0d all regulation.

so,to sum up..you click..the money in the boxes instantly vanishes,in the next 1 sec your request is analysed by a soffhisstikated computer cistern and if your request suits the host its spread out in increments of as little amounts as possible till ewe hit the overide and the remainder is settled at that..

this seams like a decent cistern...is it kosher?

@hibby

"Betfair actually once said the 1 sec delay was there so their x-matching BOT could function properly..."

Cross-matching works in pre-play (zero delay) markets, so that is hard for me to understand.

you are spot on longbridge...

which is why i have consistently said it is a load of bull poo...

and to think some folk actually believed it...

this seams like a decent cistern...is it kosher?

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history tells us Mr.Hunt that when folk mark their own homework it never ends well.

who do i call hibs?

Elon Musk ?

he seems happy poking his nose in regarding what's going on over here these days.

ok ive twitter him.

Aug 6, 2024 -- 6:52PM, dave1357 wrote:

The only relevant question anyway is why the 1 sec delay is still in operation. It isn't protecting anyone from slow pictures and it just annoys casual punters who want to click and get on.

This is their official line

In-play markets usually carry a time delay varying from 1-12 seconds. This delay is in place to allow customers to cancel unmatched orders on the system when there is a change in market conditions. This delay protects both backers and layers and leads to greater liquidity.

OL = WALOFS

how does it protect BACKERS please ?

presumably they mean unmatched backers who can cancel

Cricket in-running you cancel orders when you hear a wicket before backers can take your money

Cricket has a much longer delay. We are talking about 1 sec, so only the fastest pic users are going benefit.

Musk comes across as a bit of an insomniac type Mr.Hunt so i would expect a response around 4am tbh.

so the 'it's so our x-matching bot can work properly' line has been ditched then ?

i still want to know how i (and others) have seen bets going in well under the 1 second in running delay...

i'm told it's impossible...

which is poppyc0ck coz i (and others) have seen it...

on many occasions.

id be very surprised you can do anything on the cricket given the number of pitchsiders with mega-fast equipment creaming off chunks. ive seen em and they have made 10s of millions to my certain knowledge

How would you know that are you linked to BF's server?

above comment to HH

you will need to re-phrase the Q dave coz i don't understand it.

I was asked to put equipment away or leave at a county cricket ground last month , been back since though for a repeat and no problem , different day different resources available i guess   

didnt know that was your game hayden

geezers i no are lightning and i dunno how anyone beats em. county cricket cant be that lucrative

County cricket ground mitolo , not county cricket.

In-play Cricket short formats and a tennis list of players is my game , if you can attend live then all the better 

@HH

"which is poppyc0ck coz i (and others) have seen it..."

How can you tell?  I can think of a couple of things - like seeing prices move in relation to a faller or slow start and those prices changing less than a second after the event - but you'd need to (1) have a complete view of the market so you could tell if the change in prices was unmatched bets being cancelled or new bets put up and (2) be trackside or otherwise have a feed with an exactly known latency.

How are you doing it?

when i spoke to someone at betfair a few years ago about the 1 second delay and why it is in place , the reply was along the lines of "market makers are the best customers for the exchange eco-system . betfair protect the market makers to protect the eco-system"

On the substantive question of "why have a 1s delay at all?" I *think* I remember rightly that on the old Public API ("API 6") which BF offered when I was first on here (and thought I might be bright enough to write a winning 'bot - spoiler, I am not) there was no specific "in-play" flag on markets, so the only way to tell a market was in-play was a non-zero bet delay (and bet delay was an integer, so 1s was the smallest value).

That was all a long while ago and the API has moved on since - but that might be the historical context?

there are some very clever boffins out there longbridge...

do you remember the day they changed the in running delay to over 3 seconds ?

"market makers are the best customers for the exchange eco-system

In any peer to peer betting system the most important customers are the losers. Ideally for betfair everyone would lose slowly and hang around providing liquidity and givimg them commission.

A system that protects winning market makers at the expense of losers losing far more quickly is going to collapse.

In the case of horse racing in running, the casual players want to be able to click on a horse and get a price near to what they see. They are going to get extremely annoyed when they click and don't get matched and see the horse win unbacked, after a dozen times getting matched on a loser. They are not to continue betting in play.

d1ck turpin wore a mask ..PP uses a time advantage.

https://www.betangel.com/betfair-inplay-delay/

Paste and Go

Aug 8, 2024 -- 2:56PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:

d1ck turpin wore a mask ..PP uses a time advantage.

Hypocrite.

did the Bet Angel bloke just say...

'it was rumoured that an outside broadcast engineer was in fact the 1st in play millionaire' ?

well i never.

There's no delay on cancellations. It's why you want to be offering rather than taking.