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acey deucy
23 Jul 24 22:19
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Charlotte Dujardin, Britain's joint-most decorated female Olympian, has pulled out of Paris 2024 after a video emerged showing her "making an error of judgement".

The six-time dressage medallist said she was under investigation from the International Federation for Equestrian Sports (FEI) and would "withdraw from all competition while this process takes place".

The 39-year-old also said she was under investigation from the British Equestrian Federation and British Dressage.

"What happened was completely out of character and does not reflect how I train my horses or coach my pupils, however there is no excuse," she said in statement.

"I am deeply ashamed and should have set a better example in that moment."

Dujardin said the video was "filmed four years ago" and she was "devastated to have let everyone down".

BBC Sport has not seen the video in question and it is currently unclear what the nature of the investigation is.

Sources have told BBC Sport the video was submitted directly to the FEI.

Becky Moody and her horse Jagerbomb are Team GB's alternate combination for the dressage.
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Report acey deucy July 23, 2024 10:23 PM BST
Report acey deucy July 23, 2024 10:25 PM BST
What the fack is an error of judgemwnt?
Report BOG DARKING July 23, 2024 10:29 PM BST
why not post on the exsiting thread

oh, hold on


not enough attention that way

WAC
Report acey deucy July 23, 2024 10:34 PM BST
Never seen it pal.Plain
Report Movewiththetimes July 23, 2024 10:36 PM BST
Surely not Laugh Now who can we had to list....................
Report acey deucy July 23, 2024 10:40 PM BST
I mean how bad must it have been for her to pull out of The Olympics ffs?Shocked
Report acey deucy July 23, 2024 10:44 PM BST
Mushta been sumthin reel bad.Scared
Report BOG DARKING July 23, 2024 10:46 PM BST
what have you drunk tonight?
Report acey deucy July 23, 2024 10:48 PM BST
Rico your fav Horse is running at Woverhampton Monday Night.Wink
Report BOG DARKING July 23, 2024 10:50 PM BST
what have you drunk tonight?
Report acey deucy July 23, 2024 10:51 PM BST
Not had a drink for three Years ydc.Plain
Report Movewiththetimes July 23, 2024 10:52 PM BST
I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day
Report acey deucy July 23, 2024 10:53 PM BST
Your not wrong its been the most boring three Years of my life.Sad
Report acey deucy July 23, 2024 10:59 PM BST
The queen of Team GB's dressage team who was sensationally banned from the sport just days before the Paris Olympics is accused of whipping a horse on its legs more than 24 times, it has been revealed tonight.

Six-time Olympic medalist Charlotte Dujardin was hoping to become Britain's most decorated Olympian but was forced to pull out of the games today, just three days before Friday's Opening Ceremony.

It came after the International Federation for Equestrian Sports (FEI) was sent video footage yesterday allegedly showing Dujardin mistreating a horse at a UK training venue. Dujardin, 39, has now been suspended for six months by the sporting body.

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According to Dutch lawyer Stephan Wensing, who raised the grievance on behalf of his client, the animal in question was whipped 'like an elephant in a circus', hitting the horse two dozen times in 'one minute and really hard, really harsh, really tough'.

The complainant's identity has until this evening been kept anonymous, however, Mr Wensing tonight said his client was a sponsor of a young rider, a 19-year-old girl, who had attended a lesson with Dujardin two and a half years ago.

The whistleblower had filmed the lesson but had been warned against making an official complaint due to Dujardin's previously sparkling reputation.

'In the video she takes the long whip and beats the horse more than 24 times; (this is) the biggest star in dressage,' Mr Wensing said. 'This is a black day for dressage as well as Charlotte Dujardin.

'But in their statement my client says that if dressage is to survive, they must stop doing this to horses.'
Report acey deucy July 23, 2024 11:01 PM BST
Shocked
Report acey deucy July 24, 2024 9:49 AM BST
Not a good watch but its still ok to thrash a horse with a whip in a Race?....Sumthin dont add up here.Plain
Report salmon spray July 24, 2024 11:17 AM BST
Not 24 times.
Report acey deucy July 24, 2024 12:00 PM BST
But 6 or 7 is fine?....Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?
Report salmon spray July 24, 2024 2:46 PM BST
I bet you'd rather have 6 of the cane than 24.
Or maybe not.
Report the old nanny ;-) July 24, 2024 3:06 PM BST
So is that how they train  them to prance by whipping their legs ?

Never really understood the point of the sport add its boring to watch
Report acey deucy July 24, 2024 4:03 PM BST
salmon spray24 Jul 24 14:46Joined: 10 Jan 07 | Topic/replies: 55,360 | Blogger: salmon spray's blog
I bet you'd rather have 6 of the cane than 24.
Or maybe not........Cheeky Plain
Report A_T July 24, 2024 6:08 PM BST
does anyone think this sort of thing doesn't happen all the time? how else do they get them to behave so unnaturally.

a short rehabilitation then she'll be welcomed back
Report swiftynifty July 24, 2024 6:10 PM BST
She's so very sorry....she got caught.

If it doesn't go on all the time then Carl Hester should allow 24/7 camera coverage of his yard.
Report DrGordons July 24, 2024 6:28 PM BST
Vid on BBC news didn't look that bad. Reaction over the top imo.
Report GLASGOWCALLING July 24, 2024 6:40 PM BST
Vid on BBC news didn't look that bad. Reaction over the top imo.


   Couldnt agree more DR, I had a bowl ready to throw up in before I saw the video footage, suffice to say it wasnt needed, the most over the top media reaction in the past few years.
Report wroughtironronn July 24, 2024 6:46 PM BST
What does the horse think?
Report GLASGOWCALLING July 24, 2024 6:54 PM BST
.... Unless you are Dr Dolittle who the feck knows, but I do know what I see with my own eyes, any news on all the DEATHS on British Racetracks recently. ??
Report acey deucy July 24, 2024 8:30 PM BST
Seems like the norm for Dressage.



https://horsesport.com/horse-news/cesar-parra-suspended-animal-abuse-allegations/
Report swiftynifty July 24, 2024 8:42 PM BST
bad enough the horse has to carry a person on their back without being forced to prance around like a fcuking ballerina, should be banned full-stop.
Report acey deucy July 24, 2024 8:45 PM BST
I have never seen the appeal maself.....It aint natural i tell ya !!
Report acey deucy July 24, 2024 8:50 PM BST
A bit like dancing bears and who the fack wants to see a dancing bear.
Report comingupthehill July 24, 2024 8:56 PM BST
Believe they have to be hard on them to get them to do dressage,poor kauto.
Report swiftynifty July 24, 2024 9:06 PM BST
exactly, felt sick when i heard he'd found a second 'career' and was 'loving' it. Makes you wonder how he really died.
Report oneten July 24, 2024 10:59 PM BST
Oh get over yourselves... Please.

You watch horse racing every day of the week and pretty much every single horse gets whipped in every race.  YOU watch it and bet on it with no problem.

What a bunch of hypocrites some of you are.

If you are that bothered by it , have some back bone and stick up for what you believe in.  Give up horse racing as a hobby, join the tree huggers and Ill see you on the telly at next years National trying to superglue yourself to Bechers. 

Swiftynifty I cant believe someone can follow horse racing yet know so little about horses. 
Sorry if that sounds rude but reading your comment how you "Felt sick hearing Kauto had found a second career and it makes you wonder how he really died.."  makes you sound like one of these animal rights activists who want to ban everything.

Horses enjoy doing these things, if they didnt like it and want to do it, there is very little a 12stone human could do to make a 500KG horse  do anything it didnt want to.     

Horses when they retire fall into 2 categories.
Those that are nice with kind temperments and those that are pure blood horses - like a 5F sprinter and cannot be rehomed.  So the nut job sprinters are either pensioned off and live out their days as a pet / companion with others in a field or, if they weren't an owners favourite winning machine then they are taken to the slaughter house and  shot and go into dog tins.
 
The ones which have a nice temperament and are suitable for re training are lucky, because its a bit like humans, if some of us sat down the pub all day every day some would love it and others would get bored.  Its the same with retired horses, some standing in a field all day long love it and some hate it.  The ones that hate it need to be active and doing something, hence needing to be retrained and then they have a new lease of life. 

So Kauto was a lucky one.  Sure , he deserved to be king of all pets in a field , eating his way through fields of grass, but a lot of clever horses , as he appeared to be, need more stimulation, so going and doing dressage would have been a very safe and nice gentle sport for him to do. 

For most of us , dressage is all about training them to be supple and using your leg on them, not needing to do what Dujardin was doing. 
I never had any need to.
 
BUT, if I ve had a nappy one or one that got mulish and stopped and refused to go over a fence, how would you suggest anyone riding a horse go about it ? 
Get off and offer it a carrot ? Talk to it nicely and try to reason with it ?  It wont work.
Its half a ton of horse flesh and a lot stronger than any of us.

The only way is to give it a couple of smacks round its backside with a stick otherwise you are not going to win the battle.  And dont worry, their backsides are well protected.  And because the skin is unmarked, it doest hurt them.  The noise etc stimulates them and as they want to please us because a horse / owner relationship is a two way street it helps make their mind up . 
( I have a racing whip here and my kids use it on me / on each other when they are practicing racing on Sprinter Sacre or Frankel and it doesnt hurt one bit.)


Most horse owners / jockeys love their horses, and their horse love them back in return, which is why they try their best for us most of time.  When you watched Champions the other night and Bryony was on about how Frodon looked after her and now it is her turn to give back to him, that is exactly how it is.  Horses are our friends and we love them. Just because we give them 3 or 4 smacks with a whip doesnt mean we dont love them , but sometimes it is the only way of winning an argument, if doing it by kindness hasn't worked.

 
Its all about training them correctly.   

I hope that helps give you some understanding.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps July 24, 2024 11:05 PM BST
why not post on the exsiting thread

oh, hold on


not enough attention that way

WAC
Report acey deucy July 24, 2024 11:09 PM BST
I would if i would have seen it.Plain
Report acey deucy July 24, 2024 11:14 PM BST
The big question is are you layin Searchingthe blues on Monday? Plain
Report swiftynifty July 24, 2024 11:17 PM BST
oneten, without telling you my previous career, thanks so much for the education. It's incredible you know what pain animals do or don't feel when I assume you aren't one.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps July 24, 2024 11:24 PM BST
women gives a horse a few lashes and it makes world news..jockeys whip them and its a great ride..

walofs.
Report wroughtironronn July 24, 2024 11:28 PM BST
Some people might like being whipped - you'd have to ask the horse if it enjoys it - the one in the video looked like it wasn't too keen
Report swiftynifty July 24, 2024 11:31 PM BST
as oneten said, if you thrash a horse for long enough eventually it will become your friend.
Report oneten July 24, 2024 11:47 PM BST
Oh dear swiftynifty, that is possibly the most stupid comment I have ever read in my entire life. 


Re your comment "It's incredible you know what pain animals do or don't feel when I assume you aren't one."


Well YES, actually I am an animal as are all humans.   

What are you ?  Are you not an animal ?   



As you sounded unknowledgeable about horses I just tried to give you some insight which you might have found interesting. 
No worries if you didn't,  I was only trying to be helpful.
Report swiftynifty July 24, 2024 11:57 PM BST
oneten, you knew what I meant.

I was interested in what you wrote.
But there is a big difference in pain felt at rest than when an animal(including humans, boxers for example) will feel when adrenalin-filled like at the end of a race.

What Dujardin did is no doubt common place but hitting legs is never acceptable in my book.
Report oneten July 25, 2024 12:16 AM BST
Swiftynifty, Im not going to try to have a discussion with someone who doesn't know that humans are animals as I'm obviously wasting my time here. 

But, just to correct you again, if you are going to quote me, please try to get it correct and don't misquote me.

I never said "if you thrash a horse for long enough eventually it will become your friend".  Far from it in fact.
 
If you thrash a horse it will never be your friend. A horse will become your friend through kindness and trust.
 

Like I said , you come across as very unknowledgeable about animals.

   
Sorry, but I wont be continuing this discussion with you as you weren't able to quote me accurately and you didn't know that humans are animals, so I feel discussing this any further with you is a waste of my time.

Night all.
Report Somerset Sam July 25, 2024 8:27 AM BST

Jul 24, 2024 -- 10:59PM, oneten wrote:


Oh get over yourselves... Please.You watch horse racing every day of the week and pretty much every single horse gets whipped in every race.

Report brians July 25, 2024 9:32 AM BST
There was a horse jumper some years back who put spikes on the top pole of a fence so the horses would pick their legs up higher if I recall correctly.
I suppose any sort of training or encouragement anywhere is a carrot or stick exercise. ( yes , bad choice of words but it is an old saying not necessarily literal)  . I did not think she was “ Thrashing “, the horse but in these days many will see it as unacceptable just as many do with the racing whip. I can see a day when all whips are banned and all races are hands and heels.
All sports get changed as time goes on. Boxing used to be bare knuckles and 40 rounds, football had no concussion rules and cricketers , ice hockey  players and goalies ( ! ) had no helmets !!
Report Rico-Dangleflaps July 25, 2024 10:31 AM BST
eye konkerr wiv 1ten.
Report acey deucy July 25, 2024 11:04 AM BST
Quote from Jeremy Vine this Morning....Whoever has the most Medals have done the most whipping.Shocked
Report formoftheace July 25, 2024 11:11 AM BST
Every horse competing for cash / medals / cups and prestige for the posh mob are commodities….

Especially horse racing flat & jumps….no hiding place.
Report skiptoomaloumacari July 25, 2024 12:09 PM BST
Watched the video ...really don't see what the fuss is all about .... just about keeping the horse going forward.....certainly don't the the horse was distressed in any way....
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