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08 Jul 24
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Gives the leader who is just cruising along 20+ lengths start, and expects to win?
Gives the leader who is just cruising along 20+ lengths start, and expects to win?
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Others will post a different view dd and say he produced it perfectly but horse not good enough.
1.1 available to lay.
1.1 available to lay.
Anyone who says that a horse has been produced perfectly when he has been asked to make up 20 lengths on a leader who is cruising hasn't a clue.
Mullins asleep at the wheel was the prime reason he closed the gap.
Another question would be , how would he have fared if he'd have taken on the leader and used energy to keep closer tabs.
Answer is we'll never know.
Answer is we'll never know.
Yes, and how would the leader (who isn't reliable) have coped had he spent most of the race being pestered by another horse? My guess is not as well as being allowed to saunter along on his own.
Why gradually inch closer in an energy-efficient manner over the course of the race to get in the right position when you can try and close the gap over a shorter distance requiring a more intense effort at a time of the race when your horse is at its most fatigued? Egregious incompetence, particularly as the shape of the race also meant he didn't really need to worry about the rest of the field closing.
I've no idea what the answer is dd just playing devils advocate with an alternate view 
Ridiculous ride from Jonjo again and tactically is useless.
Jockey's once again proving they don't have a clue about pacing a race
Jockey's once again proving they don't have a clue about pacing a race
On would think that now our saviour in all things, the Labour Government, has arrived, they'd sort out jockeyship! 
tbh I was cursing him all through the race and would still have cursed him even if it had won.
As always on here the critics choose to ignore the obvious i.e run the race 10 times in all types of scenarios e.g lay up with the winner, track him a couple of lengths behind etc etc etc and unlike the sprint handicaps where you might get 10 different results the result of this would always be the same winner?
Perhaps the only idiots are those who laid the winner at the eventual price and those who jumped on the Bob Bob bandwagon?
Perhaps the only idiots are those who laid the winner at the eventual price and those who jumped on the Bob Bob bandwagon?
Nothing "obvious" about that run it ten times in all scenarios and get the same results.Having a soft/uncontested lead allows Mr Mullins to take micro pulls/breathers when he chooses whereas young Jonjo had to ask for a considerable effort from some way out when he realizes the extent of the lead.Poor pace judgement/race riding.
I'm a bit out of touch with the ole twig hopping but I've had a look at it to see what all the fuss is about.
It was as though it was a handicap hurdle and the 'rag' of the field had gone clear but the other jockeys weren't too concerned, with O'Neill content to sit off the pace and get some cover, which was how the horse was ridden when winning a handicap chase last-time-out, but it wasn't a handicap, it was a novice hurdle, a two horse race according to the market, and that horse in front being allowed to build up a considerable advantage wasn't a 'rag' but rather his market rival and trained by the best jumps trainer in the world.
So while he might have lost whichever way he'd have ridden it, he gave the horse his horse too much to do imo. Yep, no sh*t, Sherlock.
It was as though it was a handicap hurdle and the 'rag' of the field had gone clear but the other jockeys weren't too concerned, with O'Neill content to sit off the pace and get some cover, which was how the horse was ridden when winning a handicap chase last-time-out, but it wasn't a handicap, it was a novice hurdle, a two horse race according to the market, and that horse in front being allowed to build up a considerable advantage wasn't a 'rag' but rather his market rival and trained by the best jumps trainer in the world.
So while he might have lost whichever way he'd have ridden it, he gave the horse his horse too much to do imo. Yep, no sh*t, Sherlock.
Had to make hardly an effort to close George and only hard ridden on the run in when coming alongside the winner? Suggests he rode an astute race but the winner was just too good as can be seen when Mullins shakes the winner up to win by 3L and could have doubled that in another few strides.
The winner was far superior and in no circumstance was ever going to be beaten by Jonjo however he had ridden, simple quantifiable fact in a race where my selection finished tailed off.
The winner was far superior and in no circumstance was ever going to be beaten by Jonjo however he had ridden, simple quantifiable fact in a race where my selection finished tailed off.
clueless jonjo yet could have got the jackpot laying 1.2..
post your lay.
post your lay.
Let's take another view of it - from the pre-race punter perspective - and it looks like it was heavily backed.
If you backed it, you probably expected that wherever the Mullins horse was, O'Neill wasn't going to be too far behind in a tracking position, and that was how the race started off, but before halfway he chose to sit in behind a 'rag' on the rail while Patrick went clear.
As I said (and Elvis too), it wasn't a hill, he gave himself a mountain to climb.
If you backed it, you probably expected that wherever the Mullins horse was, O'Neill wasn't going to be too far behind in a tracking position, and that was how the race started off, but before halfway he chose to sit in behind a 'rag' on the rail while Patrick went clear.
As I said (and Elvis too), it wasn't a hill, he gave himself a mountain to climb.
Old sparra brain, licking the dangly bits off Rico's arris, f*cking hell I was just about to sit down and have me tea.
Hey sparra brain, don't know if you've ever read a Racing Post, but towards the back of the paper is what they call the Results section, and here as well as listing the finishing positions, an analyst, er, analyses the race and tries to give some insight as to how things panned out.
The analyst isn't required to have had an in-running bet on the race to do so, he / she is free to give their opinion. There's no law against it and anyone else is fee to post their analysis too, so go forth and multiply.
Hey sparra brain, don't know if you've ever read a Racing Post, but towards the back of the paper is what they call the Results section, and here as well as listing the finishing positions, an analyst, er, analyses the race and tries to give some insight as to how things panned out.
The analyst isn't required to have had an in-running bet on the race to do so, he / she is free to give their opinion. There's no law against it and anyone else is fee to post their analysis too, so go forth and multiply.
I know it's something of an alien concept on here, but some people still try and pick the winner before the race.
What price was the horse when the leader was allowed to go clear? Bit longer than 10/11 I would imagine.
Riding the race like that the only way he could win was if the leader stopped to nothing which was hardly likely given the very easy lead.
What price was the horse when the leader was allowed to go clear? Bit longer than 10/11 I would imagine.
Riding the race like that the only way he could win was if the leader stopped to nothing which was hardly likely given the very easy lead.
GEORGE.B 08 Jul 24 17:37
Old sparra brain, licking the dangly bits off Rico's arris, f*cking hell I was just about to sit down and have me tea.
Hey sparra brain, don't know if you've ever read a Racing Post, but towards the back of the paper is what they call the Results section, and here as well as listing the finishing positions, an analyst, er, analyses the race and tries to give some insight as to how things panned out.
The analyst isn't required to have had an in-running bet on the race to do so, he / she is free to give their opinion. There's no law against it and anyone else is fee to post their analysis too, so go forth and multiply.
Sod off George the forum conspiracy mug.
Old sparra brain, licking the dangly bits off Rico's arris, f*cking hell I was just about to sit down and have me tea.
Hey sparra brain, don't know if you've ever read a Racing Post, but towards the back of the paper is what they call the Results section, and here as well as listing the finishing positions, an analyst, er, analyses the race and tries to give some insight as to how things panned out.
The analyst isn't required to have had an in-running bet on the race to do so, he / she is free to give their opinion. There's no law against it and anyone else is fee to post their analysis too, so go forth and multiply.
Sod off George the forum conspiracy mug.
RP analysis
Add 272yds. An interesting tactical race between the odds-on joint-favourites.
FINE MARGIN, a first Worcester runner for the Mullins operation, was a market drifter as the runner-up came in for support. Saddled with a penalty and equipped with cheekpieces, he opened up a commanding lead down the far side and, although he faced a challenge heading down to the last, his rider had kept something in reserve. The gelding will likely make a chaser.
Bob Bob Ricard was strongly backed on this return to hurdles, last month's chase win here having been boosted by Judge Earle on this card. His rider allowed his main rival to go into a long lead, and although the gelding made up a lot of ground to look a threat at the last he was always held on the run-in. Whether the outcome would have differed had he been ridden closer to the winner is hard to say.
Hawk Jet appeared to struggle with this longer trip. [Richard Lowther]
Add 272yds. An interesting tactical race between the odds-on joint-favourites.
FINE MARGIN, a first Worcester runner for the Mullins operation, was a market drifter as the runner-up came in for support. Saddled with a penalty and equipped with cheekpieces, he opened up a commanding lead down the far side and, although he faced a challenge heading down to the last, his rider had kept something in reserve. The gelding will likely make a chaser.
Bob Bob Ricard was strongly backed on this return to hurdles, last month's chase win here having been boosted by Judge Earle on this card. His rider allowed his main rival to go into a long lead, and although the gelding made up a lot of ground to look a threat at the last he was always held on the run-in. Whether the outcome would have differed had he been ridden closer to the winner is hard to say.
Hawk Jet appeared to struggle with this longer trip. [Richard Lowther]
Ah, yes, too right, sparra brain.
In May 2020 (note the date) I posted saying something to the effect of: I didn't want to live in a world where your freedom was dependent upon you taking one of Bill Gates's [funded] vaccines.
Thereafter, when asked to produce evidence that I was a "conspiracy mug", this post was sparra brain's favourite port of call. Oh, how he loved to 'taunt' me with it.
Fast forward 18 months or so, care workers were being sacked for refusing to have the 'safe and effective' potions injected into them, with doctors, nurses, etc being threatened with the same fate if they didn't comply either.
The 'safe and effective' potions have killed and maimed Christ knows how many people, with the AZ potions quietly removed from the market. I now wear my 'conspiracy mug' label as a badge of honour.
In May 2020 (note the date) I posted saying something to the effect of: I didn't want to live in a world where your freedom was dependent upon you taking one of Bill Gates's [funded] vaccines.
Thereafter, when asked to produce evidence that I was a "conspiracy mug", this post was sparra brain's favourite port of call. Oh, how he loved to 'taunt' me with it.
Fast forward 18 months or so, care workers were being sacked for refusing to have the 'safe and effective' potions injected into them, with doctors, nurses, etc being threatened with the same fate if they didn't comply either.
The 'safe and effective' potions have killed and maimed Christ knows how many people, with the AZ potions quietly removed from the market. I now wear my 'conspiracy mug' label as a badge of honour.
And as for being called a 'mug', talk about people in glass houses throwing stones.
sparrow, would you care to inform the forum as to who was the first 'well wisher' respondent on the infamous 'Covid recovering Mum' thread?
sparrow, would you care to inform the forum as to who was the first 'well wisher' respondent on the infamous 'Covid recovering Mum' thread?
George, do yourself a favour and give it a rest. You really are an obnoxious individual.
Nice if you actually ventured an opinion now and again sparrow, rather than turning up on threads just to try and stir the pot.
Look on the bright side, sparrow, if I hadn't intervened on the covid recovering mum thread, you would have been sending Fraudy a 'get well soon' card.
Agree with DD ..too much to do...like Billy Garritty on Evoluir and Sam James on fav in last.
. Just lay up one off and win easy..do your job proper like Moore..not rocket science ...
. Just lay up one off and win easy..do your job proper like Moore..not rocket science ...
Sometimes things are meant to happen……just a thought..
GEORGE.B 08 Jul 24 17:37
Old sparra brain, licking the dangly bits off Rico's arris, f*cking hell I was just about to sit down and have me tea.
Hey sparra brain, don't know if you've ever read a Racing Post, but towards the back of the paper is what they call the Results section, and here as well as listing the finishing positions, an analyst, er, analyses the race and tries to give some insight as to how things panned out.
The analyst isn't required to have had an in-running bet on the race to do so, he / she is free to give their opinion. There's no law against it and anyone else is fee to post their analysis too, so go forth and multiply.
and if ewe think a horse has been given a terrible ride,bearing in mind it went 1.06,you're entitled to have made good money..as sparra says ,not 1 lay posted..why? cos gamblers are post race pocket talkers.
Old sparra brain, licking the dangly bits off Rico's arris, f*cking hell I was just about to sit down and have me tea.
Hey sparra brain, don't know if you've ever read a Racing Post, but towards the back of the paper is what they call the Results section, and here as well as listing the finishing positions, an analyst, er, analyses the race and tries to give some insight as to how things panned out.
The analyst isn't required to have had an in-running bet on the race to do so, he / she is free to give their opinion. There's no law against it and anyone else is fee to post their analysis too, so go forth and multiply.
and if ewe think a horse has been given a terrible ride,bearing in mind it went 1.06,you're entitled to have made good money..as sparra says ,not 1 lay posted..why? cos gamblers are post race pocket talkers.
GEORGE.B 08 Jul 24 17:37
Old sparra brain, licking the dangly bits off Rico's arris
hope you gave him some salt n pepper with it.
Old sparra brain, licking the dangly bits off Rico's arris
hope you gave him some salt n pepper with it.
cos sum1 concurs it dont mek them an 4rse licker george in fairness.
sparrow 08 Jul 24 17:27
Haven't seen any successful lays posted yet, rico.
Since when did sparra brain start asking (or rather, trying to bully) people into posting their bets?
And when he does so, he refers to *you*, as though he wants your seal of approval, isn't that nice.
Haven't seen any successful lays posted yet, rico.
Since when did sparra brain start asking (or rather, trying to bully) people into posting their bets?
And when he does so, he refers to *you*, as though he wants your seal of approval, isn't that nice.
he is right tho george..still no lays from an abysmal ride that went 1.06.
I'm going to do a bit of 'psychoanalysis' here...
What you're witnessing there with sparrow's post is a form of mind control...
Cuz once sparrow *SUBMITTED* to the demands of a forum bully and posted a bet or his P/L, he's *OWNED* by that person, and he knows it. So the only way his brain can cope with the guilt of giving in to a bully is to start trying to be like that bully.
Sad scenes, man
What you're witnessing there with sparrow's post is a form of mind control...
Cuz once sparrow *SUBMITTED* to the demands of a forum bully and posted a bet or his P/L, he's *OWNED* by that person, and he knows it. So the only way his brain can cope with the guilt of giving in to a bully is to start trying to be like that bully.
Sad scenes, man
GeorgeB obsessed about me merely pointing out in my first post that "Plenty must have thought he got it right with 1.1 laid"
The man is deranged.
The man is deranged.
im still trying to understand how a bully can operate in an anonymous forum in cyberspace.
"Plenty must have thought he got it right with 1.1 laid"
A naive post, and I'll give you one of your 'hero's' famous quotes on here to demonstrate it.
I don't even look up until the 2f marker Who said that on numerous occasions, eh?
The people who bet that way are just seeing what appears to be a horse closing fast, in a game of fastest finger first, making a split-second decision, possibly on pictures being transmitted by a drone, they're probably not thinking in their game of speed, 'oh, he's had to make up a lot of ground to get into that position'.
So they're not viewing it in the way, say the RP analyst does, who can then go back and watch the race and come to his conclusion.
A naive post, and I'll give you one of your 'hero's' famous quotes on here to demonstrate it.
I don't even look up until the 2f marker Who said that on numerous occasions, eh?
The people who bet that way are just seeing what appears to be a horse closing fast, in a game of fastest finger first, making a split-second decision, possibly on pictures being transmitted by a drone, they're probably not thinking in their game of speed, 'oh, he's had to make up a lot of ground to get into that position'.
So they're not viewing it in the way, say the RP analyst does, who can then go back and watch the race and come to his conclusion.
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