What happens if horses are on the same rating at the bottom of the handicap? Who gets in?

isn't it who had the highest latest?

Isn't there a number already determining order of
preference for which horse gets in if equal rating?

That then gets converted to racecard number?

So 50is ahead of 51?

OR first, then if there are several on the same mark and it goes over the field limit it's a random ballot number that determines the ones to get in, ballot numbers show on the RP card when they allocate

Higher ballot number,better chance of getting a run.

I think that may be right so I shall have to look at the proper entries in the RP tomorrow.

talking of ballots dp, do they allow anyone to have a badge or are they kept for the money people?

ELIMINATION AND BALLOTING PROCEDURES

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The order of elimination shall be determined in accordance with this Race Administration Code. Where the order of elimination cannot be determined in accordance with those paragraphs, random balloting shall be conducted to determine the order of elimination for horses.

Horses with the same weight and allocated a Handicap Rating of 45 or below shall be eliminated in order from the lowest to the highest Handicap Rating.

Any horse previously omitted from a Handicap Race, or given an incorrect weight, shall be added randomly to any horses on the same weight and such horse shall be subject to elimination, if necessary, in accordance with that revised random order.

All penalties shall be added to a horse’s Handicap Rating to determine the order of elimination, except for any penalty that causes a horse that was within the Rating Range at Closing to subsequently exceed the Upper Rating Limit.

Unless otherwise specified, the Handicap Rating used for elimination shall be based on Races run up to and including the Saturday before Closing or, where the Race is an Early Closer, the Saturday before Confirmation of Entries.

Where a horse does not have a relevant Handicap Rating, it shall instead be assessed by the Handicapper based on Races run up to and including the Saturday before Closing or, where the Race is an Early Closer, the Saturday before Confirmation of Entries.

The Handicapper may decline to allot a rating or give an assessment of a horse if they do not have sufficient information to make a decision.

If a horse is eliminated by mistake;

the BHA may correct the elimination; but

no correction shall be made after 2pm on the day before the Race.

ORDER OF ELIMINATION TOGGLE SECTION AS FAVOURITE
Handicap Races

The order of elimination shall be determined in accordance with paragraphs 19 to 23 below. These elimination provisions shall not apply to horses that are protected from elimination in accordance with paragraphs 24 to 44.

Elimination shall occur in Handicap Races, except for Races specified in paragraphs 20 to 23, in the following order:

horses rated 2lb or more above the Upper Rating Limit;

horses rated 1lb or more above the Upper Rating Limit;

horses with the lowest weights in order of lowest weight first; and

where it is necessary to eliminate some horses with the same weights:

first, that have incurred penalties in order of highest penalty; and

second, that have not incurred penalties.

Grand National Steeple Chase

Elimination shall occur in the Grand National Steeple Chase in the following order:

horses with the lowest weights; and

where it is necessary to eliminate some horses with the same weights, in order of lowest Handicap Rating at the time of elimination.

Pattern Races, Listed Races and Conditions Stakes Races except for Handicap Races

Elimination shall occur in Pattern Races, Listed Races and Conditions Stakes Races, other than Handicap Races, in the following order:

horses that have not run shall be eliminated by random ballot;

horses with the lowest Handicap Rating or, in the case of any horse that does not qualify for a Handicap Rating, lowest assessment by the Handicapper.

For the purposes of paragraph 21.2, Trainers of horses previously trained outside Great Britain and Ireland are advised to notify the Handicapper five days in advance of submitting an Entry in order for performances outside Great Britain and Ireland to be assessed. Failure to do so may result in such horses being eliminated first by random ballot. The Handicapper's decision to allot a rating or give an assessment when the above notification has not been fulfilled shall be final.

Classified Stakes Races, Rating Related Maiden Races and classified Claiming Races

Elimination shall occur in Classified Stakes Races, Rating Related Maiden Races and classified Claiming Races in order of lowest Handicap Rating.

ELIMINATION PROTECTION TOGGLE SECTION AS FAVOURITE
Horses that would be eliminated from a Race in accordance with paragraphs 10 to 23 may be eligible for protection from elimination in accordance with paragraphs 25 to 44 below.

Unless otherwise specified, at the time of assessing eligibility for protection from elimination:

Races run shall include:

Races of the equivalent type under the rules of any Recognised Racing Authority, which for National Hunt Flat Races shall mean National Hunt Flat Races in Ireland and AQPS Flat Races  in France;

for Early Closers, Races up to and including the Saturday before Confirmations of Entry are due; and

for Races that are not Early Closers, Races up to and including the Saturday before Closing.

if two or more horses:

have the same highest placing, priority shall be given to the horse with the greatest number of finishes at that placing followed by the greatest number of finishes at the next highest placing; and

cannot be distinguished using any of the specified eligibility criteria, priority shall be determined by random ballot.

Flat Races

Protection from elimination shall operate for Flat Races, other than those listed in paragraph 28, in the following order of priority, subject to paragraph 27:

horses that have run in or completed no more than two Flat Races and have been placed in the first four at least once in those Races;

horses that have not run in a Flat Race;

horses that have run in or completed no more than two Flat Races;

horses that have the highest Handicap Rating for Flat Races;

horses with the fewest unplaced runs in Flat Races.

Where horses have identical performances or Handicap Ratings, horses previously eliminated during the current year from a Flat Race run under these Rules that is not a Handicap Race shall be protected from elimination first, and priority shall be given to the horse with the greatest number of such eliminations.

Paragraphs 26 and 27 do not apply to:

Handicap Flat Races;

Pattern Races;

Listed Races;

Conditions Stakes Races;

Classified Stakes Races;

Rating Related Maiden Races;

Classified Claiming Races; and

Flat Novice Races and Maiden Races.

Flat Novice and Maiden Races Races

Protection from elimination in Flat Novice Races and non-Rating Related Maiden Races shall operate as follows, subject to paragraph 30:

horses that have run in or completed no more than two Flat Races and have been placed in the first four at least once in those Races;

horses that have not run in a Flat Race;

horses that have run in or completed no more than one Flat Race;

horses that have run in or completed no more than two Flat Races;

horses that have run in and completed three Flat Races and have not been placed in the first four in any of those Races;

horses that have won a Flat Race;

horses that have the highest Handicap Rating for Flat Races;

horses with the fewest unplaced runs in Flat Races.

Where horses have identical performances or Handicap Ratings, horses previously eliminated during the current year from a Flat Race run under these Rules that is not a Handicap Race shall be protected from elimination first, and priority shall be given to the horse with the greatest number of such eliminations.

National Hunt Flat Races

Protection from elimination in National Hunt Flat Races, other than Intermediate or Maiden National Hunt Flat Races, Pattern Races and Listed Races, shall operate in the following order of priority, subject to paragraph 34 (Category 1 Elimination):

horses that have been placed in the first four in a National Hunt Flat Race;

horses that have not run in a National Hunt Flat Race;

horses that have run in no more than one National Hunt Flat Race;.

horses that have run in no more than two National Hunt Flat Races.

Protection from elimination in Intermediate National Hunt Flat Races (Category 2 Elimination), other than Pattern Races and Listed Races, shall operate in the following order of priority, subject to paragraph 34:

horses that have been placed in the first four in a National Hunt Flat Race;

horses that have run in no more than one National Hunt Flat Race;

horses that have not run in a National Hunt Flat Race;

horses that have run in no more than two National Hunt Flat Races.

Protection from elimination in Maiden National Hunt Flat Races, other than Pattern Races and Listed Races, shall operate in the following order, subject to paragraph 34 (Category 3 Elimination):

horses that have been placed second, third or fourth in a National Hunt Flat Race;

horses that have run in exactly two National Hunt Flat Races;

horses that have run in exactly one National Hunt Flat Race;.

horses that have not run in a National Hunt Flat Race.

Where horses have identical performances or Handicap Ratings, horses previously eliminated at any time from a National Hunt Flat Race run under these Rules shall be protected from elimination first, and priority shall be given to the horse with the greatest number of such eliminations.

Hurdle Races, other than Handicap Hurdle Races, Maiden Races, Pattern Races, Listed Raced and Classified Stakes Races

Protection from elimination in Hurdle Races, other than Handicap Hurdle Races, Maiden Races, Pattern Races, Listed Races and Classified Stakes Races, shall operate in the following order, subject to paragraphs 36 and 37:

horses that have won a Hurdle Race on or after 1 January of the previous year;

horses that have run in no more than two Hurdle Races, and have been placed second, third or fourth at least once in those Races;

horses that have not run in a Hurdle Race;

horses that have run in no more than two Hurdle Races;

horses that have the highest Handicap Rating for Hurdle Races;

horses with the fewest unplaced runs in Hurdle Races.

Unplaced runs outside Great Britain and Ireland shall be disregarded when determining a horse's protection from elimination once such a horse has been placed second, third or fourth in Great Britain or Ireland and has not received a Handicap Rating for Hurdle Races.

Where horses have identical performances or Handicap Ratings, horses previously eliminated during the current season from a Hurdle Race run under these Rules that is not a Handicap Race shall be protected from elimination first, and priority shall be given to the horse with the greatest number of such eliminations.

Maiden Hurdle Races

Protection from elimination in Maiden Hurdle Races shall operate as follows:

horses that have been placed second, third or fourth in a Hurdle Race;

horses that have run at least three times and for which a Handicapper has declined to allot a Handicap Rating;

horses that have not run in a Hurdle Race;

horses that have run in no more than two Hurdle Races;

horses that have the highest Handicap Rating for Hurdle Races;

horses that have the fewest unplaced runs in Hurdle Races.

Where horses have identical performances or Handicap Ratings, horses previously eliminated at any time from a Hurdle Race run under these Rules that is not a Handicap Race shall be protected from elimination first, and priority shall be given to the horse with the greatest number of such eliminations.

Steeple Chases, other than Handicap Steeple Chases, Pattern Races, Listed Races, Classified Stakes Races and Hunters’ Steeple Chases

Protection from elimination in Steeple Chases, other than Handicap Races, Pattern Races, Listed Races, Classified Stakes Races and Hunters' Steeple Chases, shall operate as follows, subject to paragraphs 41 and 42:

horses that have won a Steeple Chase on or after 1 January of the previous year;

horses that have run in no more than two Steeple Chases and been placed second, third or fourth at least once in those Races;

horses that have not run in a Steeple Chase;

horses that have run in no more than two Steeple Chases;

horses that have the highest Handicap Rating for Steeple Chases;

horses with the fewest unplaced runs in Steeple Chases.

Unplaced runs outside Great Britain and Ireland shall be disregarded when determining a horse's protection from elimination once such a horse has been placed second, third or fourth in Great Britain or Ireland and has not received a Handicap Rating for Steeple Chases.

Where horses have identical performances or Handicap Ratings, horses previously eliminated during the current season from a Steeple Chase run under these Rules that is not a Handicap Race shall be protected from elimination first, and priority shall be given to the horse with the greatest number of such eliminations.

Class 3, 4 and 5 Novice Handicap Steeple Chases

Protection from elimination in Class 3, 4 and 5 Novice Handicap Steeple Chases shall operate as follows:

horses that have not run in a Steeple Chase if, on the initial publication of the weights, they have been allotted a weight no lower than the minimum weight for that Race.

Hunters’ Steeple Chases

Protection from elimination in Hunters’ Steeple Chases, other than Handicap Races or where stated in the Race Conditions, shall operate as follows:

horses that have won a Steeple Chase on or after 1 January of the previous year. Priority shall be given to horses with the highest Steeple Chase Handicap Rating;

horses that have been placed second, third or fourth in a Steeple Chase on or after 1 January of the previous year;

horses that have won an open Point-to-Point Steeple Chase (gentlemen’s, ladies’ or mixed open Races) in Great Britain on or after 1 January of the previous year;

horses that have won any other Point-to-Point Steeple Chase in Great Britain on or after 1 January of the previous year;

horses previously eliminated from a Steeple Chase, other than a Handicap Steeple Chase, run under these Rules during the current season;

horses with the fewest unplaced runs in Steeple Chases.

FIELD SIZE LIMITS AND STABLING CAPACITY TOGGLE SECTION AS FAVOURITE
SETTING FIELD SIZE LIMITS TOGGLE SECTION AS FAVOURITE
Where necessary, Field Size Limits shall be set as follows:

for Class 1 Pattern and Listed Races, Heritage Handicaps (and any associated consolation Races) and any other Race where it is specified in the Race Conditions, the Field Size Limit shall be the Safety Factor or Maximum Figure, whichever is the lower;

for Class 4, 5 or 6 Hunters' Steeple Chases, the Field Size Limit shall be nine horses;

for any other Race, the Field Size Limit shall be the balance of the Stabling Capacity split between the remaining Races.

For the purposes of paragraph 45, any Race that has potential to divide shall be treated as if the division is confirmed and included in the calculation of Field Size Limits on that basis.

The BHA shall reassess Field Size Limits and adjust them if necessary:

after Closing, or after Confirmation of Entries for Early Closers; and

after the deadline for Declarations to Run.

MAXIMISING RUNNERS IN RELATION TO STABLING CAPACITY TOGGLE SECTION AS FAVOURITE
After the deadline for Declarations to Run:

if the total number of horses declared to run at the meeting is greater than the Stabling Capacity, the number of horses that exceed the Field Size Limit in each Race shall be treated as being eliminated;

then, if the total number of horses remaining declared to run at the meeting is less than the Stabling Capacity, eliminated horses may be reintroduced on a Race-by-Race basis in the order determined by the BHA up to:

the Safety Factor or Maximum Figure for each Race; whichever is the lower; and

the Stabling Capacity.

The BHA shall determine the order of priority for each Race to reintroduce eliminated horses and shall publish that order:

for Early Closers, after the deadline for Confirmations of Entry; or

otherwise, after Closing.

After the deadline for Declarations to Run, any Race that divides shall be given the lowest priority for the purposes of paragraph 49 within Races of the same class, unless doing so would prevent it from dividing due to a lack of  stables.[/b]

https://rules.britishhorseracing.com/#!/book/34/chapter/s3328-race-administration-code/content?section=s3333-elimination-and-balloting-procedures

wtf?

Every Reason to be excited after the Windsor effort.

All his best work came when asked to quicken at the business end,under what looked a sympathetic ride from the excellent Marquand.

The time was the only one below standard on the night,by some way,suggesting a proper test.

The sire is no longer with us,plenty of his offspring performed well with cut in the going description,time will tell if he follows that path.

Flashy chestnut must go there with every chance if he has recovered from mondays effort.

Everything crossed for you DP,he's the type to keep you dreaming,GL.

first, that have incurred penalties in order of highest penalty; and


So that is us knackered then unless we are number 20 on our own

thanks Nocturnal.....and his finishing % was 104 so not stopping. Here's hoping. He ran at Doncaster on soft last season and was beaten a distance. But that was shocking ground and he was gelded shortly afterwards. Different horse now. I am very excited.

should have said thank you Leif